What Conspiracy Theories Do You Believe In?

[gpruitt54]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy

HERE is the best and most logical explanation for the collapse of building 7 that I've ever read, heard or seen. If someone has what they believe to be irrefutable facts that disprove anything or everything in the article, I'd be more than willing to take a look.

Look, I simply took the Occam's Razor precept that you promoted, and used it to come to a conclusion based on known facts. Now you are asking for "irrefutable" facts.

I just gave you some irrefutable facts!

But seriously, I do understand that something of this magnitude is hard to face, because something of this magnitude means that, possibly and likely, our own government (the Bush lead government buy the way) had a hand in it. This kind of thing shakes up any faith we may have in the people who lead this nation. It also means that you and I are expendable, pawns for people with ambitions on a global level. That is not the America we were taught to believe in, does it?

But after all Occam's Razor is just some logic trick right? This means nothing, right?

[Wiseguy]

Originally Posted by gpruitt54

Look, I simply took the Occam's Razor precept that you promoted, and used it to come to a conclusion based on known facts. Now you are asking for "irrefutable" facts.

I just gave you some irrefutable facts!

But seriously, I do understand that something of this magnitude is hard to face, because something of this magnitude means that, possibly and likely, our own government (the Bush lead government buy the way) had a hand in it. This kind of thing shakes up any faith we may have in the people who lead this nation. It also means that you and I are expendable, pawns for people with ambitions on a global level. That is not the America we were taught to believe in, does it?

But after all Occam's Razor is just some logic trick right? This means nothing, right?

It's only meant to be a heuristic guide, not an absolute principle of logical reasoning.

Let me ask you flat out. Do you believe that elements of the previous administration had something (or everything) to do with the planning and/or execution of the 9/11 attacks?

[gpruitt54]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy

It's only meant to be a heuristic guide, not an absolute principle of logical reasoning.

Let me ask you flat out. Do you believe that elements of the previous administration had something (or everything) to do with the planning and/or execution of the 9/11 attacks?

Are we changing the subject? We were talking about Occam's logic experiment; where the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

It's not about absolutes. It's got nothing to do what I think or believe. Using the principle, placing the facts, and letting things lead, where they lead. That's what I am doing.

Based on the priciple and the facts, a steel framed building (Building 7) in the primary city in the united states, containing three mayor branches of Federal law enrorcement, and on the same day as a major terror attack (right next door) simply fell into its own footprint.

I don't know... Looks like the simplest explanation is the place no one wants to go.

[Gunny]

Originally Posted by SteveGan1

Mafia killed Kennedy.

One thing is for sure. Someone other than Oswald killed JFK. I've read at least a dozen books (Mark Lane has some excellent books on the topic) on the matter as well as many documentaries and hundreds of online articles and if I had a gun to my head and had to correctly decide who was involved I would say the CIA.

[Wiseguy]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy

It's only meant to be a heuristic guide, not an absolute principle of logical reasoning.

Let me ask you flat out. Do you believe that elements of the previous administration had something (or everything) to do with the planning and/or execution of the 9/11 attacks?

Originally Posted by gpruitt54

Are we changing the subject? We were talking about Occam's logic experiment; where the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

It's not about absolutes. It's got nothing to do what I think or believe. Using the principle, placing the facts, and letting things lead, where they lead. That's what I am doing.

Based on the priciple and the facts, a steel framed building (Building 7) in the primary city in the united states, containing three mayor branches of Federal law enrorcement, and on the same day as a major terror attack (right next door) simply fell into its own footprint.

I don't know... Looks like the simplest explanation is the place no one wants to go.

Not changing the subject at all. Last time I looked, the topic of this thread was still "What Conspiracy Theories Do You Believe In?" So let me ask you again. Do you believe that elements of the previous administration had something (or everything) to do with the planning and/or execution of the 9/11 attacks and the collapse of building 7?

[gpruitt54]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy

Not changing the subject at all. Last time I looked, the topic of this thread was still "What Conspiracy Theories Do You Believe In?" So let me ask you again. Do you believe that elements of the previous administration had something (or everything) to do with the planning and/or execution of the 9/11 attacks and the collapse of building 7?

I've responded with what I think. It's simple. Faces lead to conclusions. Conclusions prompt questions that have yet to be answered. Again, Building 7 specifically. It seems that there a place, based on the facts that a lot of people avoid like the plague. Did Nero order Rome burned? Did Hitler order or approve of the burning of the Reichstag? Was the Gulf of Tonken staged or used as a precept to start the Vietnam War? Were WMD’s used to start the Iraq war? YES, on all counts.

We go around acting as it these things are not possible in the United States, when they are possible. Leaders are not always honorable people (they are human), and we should not be afraid to go where facts lead.

Plain the simple, Building 7 did not fall of its own weight and fire was not the cause. We've already gown through some the other facts on that. No one, including me can say who or why, but something happened and the story we are being told does not fit the facts.

I hope that can answer your question. I believe that we are not getting the truth of Building 7. The towers, the Pentagon, Shanks Ville I have no answers there. But having no answers doesn’t mean that the questions are not valid.

You are right in that this thread started on a different note, but your Occam’s razor precept seemed to perfectly align with 9/11, Building 7 specifically. You don’t have to be into conspiracy theories to see the beauty in the thought experiment and how easily it supports those who see something odd in what we have been told.

[Gunny]

9/11 theorists rank up there with the moon landing hoaxers and holocaust deniers.

Seriously, it's been thoroughly debunked umpteen hundreds of times.

[gpruitt54]

Originally Posted by Gunny

9/11 theorists rank up there with the moon landing hoaxers and holocaust deniers.

Seriously, it's been thoroughly debunked umpteen hundreds of times.

Except Building 7. Yeah I know, sounds like broken record. But Building 7 stands (pardon the pun) in its on.

[Wiseguy]

Originally Posted by gpruitt54

You are right in that this thread started on a different note, but your Occam’s razor precept seemed to perfectly align with 9/11, Building 7 specifically. You don’t have to be into conspiracy theories to see the beauty in the thought experiment and how easily it supports those who see something odd in what we have been told.

I can agree with that. Occam’s Razor can be utilized by those on any and all sides of a topic such as 9/11 in an attempt to further their arguments. But seeing that there can be only one truth to what really happened on 9/11, everyone in opposition to the one truth is dead wrong. The bottom line is this. Either the g'vmnt had everything or something to do with the events of 9/11 or it didn't. No other options are possible.

[gpruitt54]

Originally Posted by Wiseguy

I can agree with that. Occam’s Razor can be utilized by those on any and all sides of a topic such as 9/11 in an attempt to further their arguments. But seeing that there can be only one truth to what really happened on 9/11, everyone in opposition to the one truth is dead wrong. The bottom line is this. Either the g'vmnt had everything or something to do with the events of 9/11 or it didn't. No other options are possible.

Interesting point of agreemnt (everything or something or nothing). YES!