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Old 12-18-2015, 01:25 PM
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A zombie lie. A discredited statistic that won't go away.

What is the definition of 'rape' in Sweden? When was the definition last changed?

Jesus... I expect more from you Coro.
I hope you'll turn a similar jaundiced eye toward the "rape culture" on American campuses.
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:14 PM
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I hope you'll turn a similar jaundiced eye toward the "rape culture" on American campuses.

Show me the stats.

Anyway.. for completeness.. And, for the record, I'm glad to see reality trump fear (pun totally intended)

Hopefully, you will turn a jaundiced eye towards any further reporting by that reporter.

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The legal definition of rape in Sweden is described in chapter 6 in the Swedish Penal Code.[1] Historically, rape has been defined as forced sexual intercourse initiated against a woman by one or several men, without her consent.[2] In recent years, several revisions to the definition of rape have been made in Swedish law,[3] to now not only include intercourse, but comparable sexual acts initiated against someone passive—incapable of giving consent—because they are in a vulnerable situation, such as a state of fear or unconsciousness.[4]

In 2015 Sweden opened its first emergency center designed specifically to help male victims of rape and molestation. It has been estimated that almost 1 in 4 Swedish men have experienced forms of sexual violence in their lifetimes, including unwanted contact. And 7 percent of men reported that they had been "made to penetrate" another person. That could mean vaginal or anal intercourse or receiving or giving oral sex against their will.[5]

In 2014, there were 6,700 rapes reported to the Swedish police—or 69 cases per 100,000 population—according to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (BRÅ ), which is an 11 percent increase from the previous year.[6] The number of convictions has remained relatively unchanged since 2005, with approximately 190 convictions on average each year.[7][8] The BRÅ has not released detailed data on rape committed by immigrants since 1996, but according to that report individuals with an immigrant background made up 61% of all rape convictions between 1985 and 1989.[9]

There have been several international comparisons made, placing Sweden at the top end of the number of reported rapes. However, police procedures and legal definitions vary widely across countries, which makes it difficult to compare rape statistics.[10][11][12][13] For example, Sweden reformed its sex crime legislation and made the legal definition of rape much wider in 2005,[3][4][10][14] which largely explains a significant increase in the number of reported rapes in the ten-year period of 2004-2013.[15][16] The Swedish police also record each instance of sexual violence in every case separately, leading to an inflated number of cases compared to other countries.[10][13][17] Additionally, the Swedish police have improved the handling of rape cases, in an effort to increase the number of crimes reported.[10][16][18][19]

Raised awareness and a shifting attitude of sexual crimes in Sweden,[note 1][20] which has been ranked as the number one country in gender equality,[21] may also explain the relatively high rates of reported rape.[10][13][22]
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I hope you'll turn a similar jaundiced eye toward the "rape culture" on American campuses.
Could it be that you confuse 'sexual assault' and 'forcible rape'? I can see that if you're relying on your information from the same people who talk about rape in Sweden.

20% for sexual assault which includes coercion, attempted rape, violence at the hands of a partner, and, I believe stalking.
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Is Agrabah a valuable target? Or, a target of opportunity? If so, I say bomb it...twice.
Ah.. it's where Princess Jasmine lives in Disney's Alladin. You should probably bomb it three times.

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Old 12-18-2015, 04:30 PM
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I call it Alabamastan. Or Talibama.



I am keeping up. I'm pointing out your desire to shit on the US at every opportunity, anything to deflect from the peaceful loving religion of Islam.

As to who attacks Americans because of their sexual orientation? Other Americans. I have enough experience here to know it's not always about religion. In fact, most of the time it's just plain old fashioned bigotry.
No, I don't call keeping up drawing unsupported negative conclusions about other posters, as in " I'm pointing out your desire to shit on the US at every opportunity, anything to deflect from the peaceful loving religion of Islam."

As for your experience with bigotry, it appears to be based on your bigotry towards Muslims...
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I hope you'll turn a similar jaundiced eye toward the "rape culture" on American campuses.
Short answer: No.
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Short answer: No.
I'm not that familiar with it.

I do note the glee that posters of a certain political bent take whenever an accusation of rape turns out to be false. I'm all for prosecuting those that make false accusations, but I don't understand the glee that certain people have when they turn out to be false.

I read one story about the rate of sexual assault on campuses nearing the 20% mark which includes not only 'forced rape' as outlined in the FBI's UCR but 'lesser' crimes like the ones I outlined above.

For example, at Penn State in 2012 there were 56 rape accusations from students (it led the nation) with an enrollment of over 45000 persons. Hardly near the 20% that you outlined. If you have different data, I ask to see it.

The only reason it was that high was because a lot of people came forward after Sandusky was arrested.

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Penn State University tallied the nation’s highest number of reports of forcible sex offenses on campus in 2012 — 56 — a total that university officials attribute in part to the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal.

The University of Michigan at Ann Arbor recorded the second-highest total, 34, followed by Harvard University (31), Indiana University-Bloomington (27), Stanford University (26) and Emory University (26), according to a Washington Post analysis of federal campus crime data.
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Is Agrabah a valuable target? Or, a target of opportunity? If so, I say bomb it...twice.
Ah.. it's where Princess Jasmine lives in Disney's Alladin. You should probably bomb it three times.

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It bears notice that of over 1500 colleges with more than 1,000 students were tallied, the worst offenders, those with more than 1 sexual assault offense per 1,000 students, were privately owned. And the worst offenders, with 3 or more offenses per 1,000 students, were all privately owned.

Also interesting is that perhaps the nation's most liberal college campus, with a reputation for disorder and disrespect, logged one of the lowest scores, only .36 offenses per 1,000 students.

How now, brown cow?
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So, your comment is that since violence has been committed against LGBT in the US it's okay that it happens elsewhere?

Tu quoque Fallacy?
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It bears notice that of over 1500 colleges with more than 1,000 students were tallied, the worst offenders, those with more than 1 sexual assault offense per 1,000 students, were privately owned. And the worst offenders, with 3 or more offenses per 1,000 students, were all privately owned.

Also interesting is that perhaps the nation's most liberal college campus, with a reputation for disorder and disrespect, logged one of the lowest scores, only .36 offenses per 1,000 students.

How now, brown cow?
I would caution against drawing such a conclusion. This is reported rape which, one could argue, is better at private colleges.

I'll leave this from your link.

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Experts caution that a campus with a low reporting rate is not necessarily safer than one with a high rate. Some colleges make more effort than others to ensure victims step forward. Enrollment totals include online students, which for some schools lowers the reporting rate for campus incidents. For example, more than 80 percent of Liberty University students are online.
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Is Agrabah a valuable target? Or, a target of opportunity? If so, I say bomb it...twice.
Ah.. it's where Princess Jasmine lives in Disney's Alladin. You should probably bomb it three times.

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He's not talking about violence in the US, he's talking about anti-gay violence in Sweden, perpetrated by Muslims. Try to keep up.

Frankly, I'll take Christian right wing bigotry over being murdered by Muslims any day.
And I, as a gay man, would rather live in a Predominantly Muslim neighborhood in Deerborne, to living among a bunch of hateful bigots in rural Wyoming. Matthew Shepard used to be alive before he was beaten into a vegetative state by two rednecks.

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