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Old 12-24-2015, 03:38 PM
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Now that the cartoonishly stupid Chavez leftovers regime is on the way out, you gotta get all the pointing and laughing in while you can.
So you abdicate the outside influence that wishes to ensure that any other economic model(especially ones propagated by Che) fail, and support authoritarian dictatorships that sell them cheap(er) oil and/or petroleum. Look up history from 1950's and the support of Cuban dictator Batista, to more recently the support of numerous Middle Eastern and North African dictators who played by Anglo-American sets of [economic and trade] rules.
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Old 12-27-2015, 12:44 PM
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So you abdicate the outside influence that wishes to ensure that any other economic model(especially ones propagated by Che) fail, and support authoritarian dictatorships that sell them cheap(er) oil and/or petroleum. Look up history from 1950's and the support of Cuban dictator Batista, to more recently the support of numerous Middle Eastern and North African dictators who played by Anglo-American sets of [economic and trade] rules.
Yep, I reject that rationalization out of hand.

Here's interesting AP report from a few days ago:

South American left in retreat as economic crisis deepens
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After a decade on the advance, the left in South America is in retreat. Just in the past month, voters in Argentina elected a conservative businessman president over the chosen successor of Cristina Fernandez and Brazil’s congress launched an impeachment probe against President Dilma Rousseff, whose approval ratings have been languishing in single digits.

In perhaps the biggest turnabout, voters in Venezuela, where the region's leftward shift began, handed the opposition a landslide victory in congressional elections - its first nationwide legislative win since the U.S.-bashing Hugo Chavez won the presidency in 1998.

The backlash comes amid an economic storm of the likes the region hasn't seen in decades. While all political dynasties are paying the price for broken economies and unchecked corruption, most of South America's governments are run by leftists who came to power as China's economy was taking off over the past 15 years, fueling demand for the region's raw materials.
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"What we're seeing now is a reminder that the political pendulum shifts in South America," says Colombian Senator Antonio Navarro Wolff, a former leader of the country's M-19 leftist guerrilla movement. "In the past decade it appeared to have stopped moving because the economic conditions were so favorable."
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Still, it would be a mistake to say the left has lost all of its oomph.

The Peronist movement that produced Fernandez still holds a majority in Argentina's Senate, Rousseff's Workers Party remains Brazil's best-organized political faction and Maduro's allies garnered 33 percent of the vote in spite of an economy forecast to shrink as much as 10 percent this year.

Other leftist stalwarts in South America remain on solid footing, including Ecuador's Rafael Correa, who enjoys a 52 percent approval rating even as his oil-dependent economy struggles to fight off recession.

Instead of a rightist revival, leadership may be splintering between pragmatists and ideologues, says Christopher Sabatini, an expert on the region who teaches at Columbia University. Even communist Cuba, long a touchstone of Latin America's left, has been looking northward in its attempt to overcome a half century of mistrust and conflict with the U.S.

Early evidence of that shift came at Macri's swearing-in ceremony. While an embittered Fernandez and Maduro were notable no-shows, Correa and Bolivia's Evo Morales were both in attendance. Morales even played soccer with Macri, a former president of the popular Boca Juniors team, just hours after attending a farewell rally with Fernandez and her supporters.
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Conservative pols who traditionally trumpeted free-market policies have also embraced the left's legacy of social programs that tackle widespread poverty.

Macri went to great lengths during his campaign to make clear he would keep a safety net for the poor. Venezuela's opposition coalition, countering government allegations that it would auction the nation's wealth to the likes of the International Monetary Fund, said that one of its first legislative priorities will be granting property titles to the millions of families given free housing by Chavez.

Going forward, the center-right is promising to ease hostility toward Washington and use less of the global grandstanding that saw Chavez and Argentina expand ties with Iran. Instead they say they want to focus more on fixing their economies by bolstering fiscal and monetary controls, fighting corruption and restoring independence to courts and other institutions.

"The right has clearly learned its lessons," said Sabatini, who is also the director of Global Americans, a group promoting free trade. "While many people still believe the left, the economic crisis is so severe that more are more are willing to gamble on change."
I suppose you can blame "outside influences" that want to "ensure that any other economic model(especially ones propagated by Che) fail, and support authoritarian dictatorships that sell them cheap(er) oil and/or petroleum." Personally I blame global warming.

More likely people are struggling to avoid impoverishment and economic chaos.
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Old 12-27-2015, 07:18 PM
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Those leftovers won't be idle long. Maybe they'll find work in Trudeau's Canada.
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Are they far enough left for Trudeau?
What's the difference between Chavez and Obama?
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What's the difference between Chavez and Obama?
I'd say about 11 cards on the Pantone skin tone chart.
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