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Old 02-26-2016, 09:59 PM
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Warthog given a reprieve until at least 2022... a wise decision. It's the best and only ground attack fixed wing aircraft for close air support. My prediction is that the F35 will never completely replace it.

Perhaps the Army needs to be allowed its own subsonic fleet of aircraft for close air support. Clearly the top Air Force brass could care less about the troops on the ground... or civilian casualties...


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Defense Secretary Ash Carter has made it official: ISIS has saved one of its deadliest enemies, the U.S. Air Force's A-10 Thunderbolt.

The inelegant but well-armed and well-armored ground-attack jet, nicknamed the "Warthog," was facing quick retirement after the Air Force said it needed the money and crews being used to keep the A-10s flying for the brand-new F-35s and other missions.

Then came Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S.-led coalition's campaign against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq.

"I saw some of the A-10s that are flying bombing missions against ISIL (the Pentagon's term for ISIS) when I was at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey last December, and we need the additional payload capacity they can bring to the fight," Carter said in testimony on the Pentagon's Fiscal Year 2017 budget before a House Appropriations subcommittee on Thursday.

"We're pushing off the A-10's final retirement until 2022 so we can keep more aircraft that can drop smart bombs on ISIL," Carter told the committee.

The defense chief said plans are to keep the A-10 in the Air Force inventory until 2022.

"As 2022 approaches, A-10s will be replaced by F-35s only on a squadron-by-squadron basis as they come online, ensuring that all units have sufficient backfill and that we retain enough aircraft needed to fight today's conflicts," Carter said.

The plan to keep the A-10s flying was in the Pentagon's budget that was released earlier this month. What was new Thursday was the Obama administration's top defense official linking that plan to ISIS.

Republican senators like Arizona's John McCain and New Hampshire's Kelly Ayotte had been pushing the Defense Department for months to hang on to the A-10s.

"As ISIS has learned firsthand, the A-10 represents our nation's most effective and lethal close air support aircraft," Ayotte said in a statement earlier this month.

"I look forward to seeing our A-10 pilots continue to make important advances in the fight against ISIL in the Middle East, boosting NATO's efforts to deter Russian aggression in Eastern Europe, and supporting vital missions for U.S. national security wherever they are needed," a statement from McCain .

The A-10's role in the fight against ISIS was highlighted in Operation Tidal Wave II in November, when A-10s combined with AC-130 gunships to destroy 116 ISIS fuel tanker trucks.

Unlike the multirole F-35s that are slated to replace them, the A-10s are the only airplanes in the Air Force specifically designed for close air support, a mission that has become urgent in the fight against ISIS.

Able to circle over a target for long periods, the straight-winged Warthog is supremely maneuverable at low speeds and altitudes. So when ground troops find themselves in trouble -- and too close to the enemy for fighter jets to drop bombs without risking friendly fire casualties -- A-10 pilots can skim hillsides day and night, under any type of weather, and accurately and punishingly engage ground targets with the aircraft's powerful 30 mm, seven-barrel Gatling gun, which fires depleted uranium bullets at 3,900 rounds per minute.
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Old 03-04-2016, 04:00 PM
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Ever since Vietnam and both escapades in Iraq, the US has proven it frankly does not care for civilian deaths. "Collateral Damage", the military industrial complex runs the show, and more bombs means more money... nevermind who are the ones getting bombed.
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Ever since Vietnam and both escapades in Iraq, the US has proven it frankly does not care for civilian deaths. "Collateral Damage", the military industrial complex runs the show, and more bombs means more money... nevermind who are the ones getting bombed.
The problem runs deeper than that. The military silo known as the US Air Force seems to think that the more expensive and technologically advanced aircraft are the answer to everything. It doesn't seem to put a priority on protecting the boots on the ground. The Army should demand rights to design, build, and deploy subsonic fixed wing aircraft, like the Warthog. Let the Air Force have its supersonic toys, which are not well suited to close air support in a regional ground war.

Helicopters are all well and good, but they don't have the loitering time, the speed, cannon punch, or the survivability of the Warthog.
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Warthog given a reprieve until at least 2022... a wise decision. It's the best and only ground attack fixed wing aircraft for close air support. My prediction is that the F35 will never completely replace it.

Perhaps the Army needs to be allowed its own subsonic fleet of aircraft for close air support. Clearly the top Air Force brass could care less about the troops on the ground... or civilian casualties...


Defense chief: A-10s needed to bomb ISIS
This. All of this. I can't think of a single ground-pounder whom I've ever talked to who hasn't said that the most welcome sound in the world to them in a firefight is hearing that a Warthog is on the way or the burp of that nose-cannon.

There is no particular valid reason to move the Warthog off of the active-duty roster. Trying to have the F-35 (or indeed the F-anything) replace it is just silly. That's like replacing the farm pickup with a Ferrari: it's newer and it's shinier, but it can't possibly hope to get the same work done. The Warthog has one job, CAS, and it does it pretty much better than any other airframe on this planet. It works very well as an airplane, it is utterly devastating to the enemy, and the things are damn near indestructible under fire.
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Use the planes and everything we've got to blow ISIS, ISUL, IS and all the rest of these crazy radicals into oblivion and end this for once and for all.

Sorry, y'all, but I sure don't want to be sitting in front of the TV watching more of our buildings fall down and God knows what else.

Sorry, folks, the right thing to do is get rid of them ASAP before we see our kids killed as in San Bernardino.

I'm done here. Use the A-10s, use everything we've got to wipe these radicals off the planet.

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