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Old 08-16-2018, 10:00 PM
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The definition of asbestos is somewhat shaky as well, there being at least six types in nature and an unbounded number of long-chain molecules such as graphene and kevlar that have insulating properties. I'm not sure what exactly is being referred to.
Asbestos is a silicate mineral. Graphite and Kevlar are not minerals, and have nothing to do with asbestos.

The definition of asbestos is shaky only in your mind, Willie.

All forms of asbestos are carcinogenic. They derive their toxicity from the fact that the mineral breaks down into tiny fibrils that are just the right size to persist in body tissue such as lung. Their prolonged presence, usually in the lung, eventually induces cancer. They are too small to be ejected like dust, and too big to be flushed away via other means.

Asbestos may be combined with binders like concrete or resins to become less dangerous because the release of fibrils is constrained. But even then the binders can deteriorate and result in the release of toxic fibrils, or in use the material may be altered to encourage the release. Such as machining the leading edge of asbestos brake shoes to quiet the brakes.

Asbestos gives the lie to the notion that all that is natural is good for a person. Heck, rattlesnakes are natural but you don't want to sleep with one.
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Old 08-16-2018, 10:17 PM
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My daughter works in the field. Asbestos occurs naturally in rock as well as in man made materials. It is only dangerous if "disturbed". Ingestion and inhalation are the only ways asbestos can hurt people. When homes/buildings are torn down, asbestos is disturbed. When homes/buildings are abandoned, asbestos becomes disturbed. When highways are cut into rock formations containing naturally occurring asbestos it becomes disturbed. When damns are cut into rock, asbestos can be disturbed and must be identified, measured & remediated as best it can. Trump commented that the World Trade Centers may not have fallen/melted had they contained asbestos; yet how many 1st responders have died from respiratory contaminants? Trump is no scientist and has no basis of authority in making such a reckless statement. Trump's EPA has already proven itself to be reckless af. So, WtW, you know about as much as Trump. Asbestos is harmful. We've already determined that. We don't need to reinvent the wheel.
Trump is a greedy moron who resents having had to pay for asbestos removal from this properties.
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Old 08-17-2018, 07:35 AM
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So aren't there regulations in place regarding the handling and disposal of materials containing asbestos? Will the new products not face those kinds of regulations? Is all use of asbestos harmful even in products where it remains contained? I'm asking since you seem to have a factual foundation from which to supply the answers.
Current laws remain in effect; but they are restrictions vs banning. We should be banning asbestos; but the EPA is going to allow "new" uses. Asbestos is asbestos no matter how pretty you package it.

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DONALD TRUMP CALLED ASBESTOS POISONING A MOB-LED CONSPIRACY, NOW HIS EPA WON’T EVALUATE ASBESTOS ALREADY IN HOMES
..."Nearly 15,000 Americans die each year from asbestos-related diseases, but President Donald Trump has called the substance "100 percent safe, once applied." ...

He is an idiot being led by industry and deep pockets. This is just wrong. Especially with his administration wanting to cut into healthcare so people who have been exposed cannot get coverage. It pays to do a little digging into what this administration is doing that doesn't really hit the nightly news or papers.
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There may be local ordinances that kick in where the Feds fear to tread.

Such as a home or office building cannot change hands unless all the asbestos that can be removed is removed in a safe manner. That apparently is what is triggering Trump. He had to pay $$$ to have buildings he bought undergo asbestos remediation. He claims the asbestos removal business is run by the Mafia. I don't know about that, but Trump seems to have no problem dealing with the Russian mafia (he rented several Russian mafia operatives spaces in Trump Tower, and helped them launder vast sums of ill gotten gains).

His attitude is based on whether he profited or lost.
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Trump is a greedy moron who resents having had to pay for asbestos removal from this properties.
Of course it's going to be all about him and his fekin' wallet.
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Of course it's going to be all about him and his fekin' wallet.
Maybe with any luck one day Trump will be out of debt and have a positive net worth.

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