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Old 07-02-2018, 12:28 PM
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I don't argue science. I'm not a world renowned climatologist, and I don't play one on the Internet.

But politics is an amateur sport.
So that’s the last time I’ll hear you whining about “global cooling”?
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:11 PM
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So that’s the last time I’ll hear you whining about “global cooling”?
Never. I sip discreetly. Malbec at the moment.
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Never. I sip discreetly. Malbec at the moment.
So, you admit it's ideology over science in your case?
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If the politically correct frenzy has abated, maybe now serious work can b3 done. Without all the hype and hysteria researchers should feel less pressure. I do believe that's a good thing.
Well then, I hope the same strategy can be used to solve the immigration problem.
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Old 07-07-2018, 03:38 AM
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So, you admit it's ideology over science in your case?
Apart from instances of ideology actually infecting "science," as in falsification of data, or mendacious interpretations of data promulgated as disinterested, yes.

Science weaves its own course. Ideology is the foundation of policy, and that is the arena of political debate.
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Apart from instances of ideology actually infecting "science," as in falsification of data, or mendacious interpretations of data promulgated as disinterested, yes.

Science weaves its own course. Ideology is the foundation of policy, and that is the arena of political debate.
Your first paragraph belies the second. Your ideology causes you to not only disbelieve the science, but pass along inaccurate statements about it.

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An essay by Steven Hayward of the demise of the political movement.
That certainly seems true. Maybe Trump scotching the Paris agreement was the coup de grâce.
Hayward refers to an analytical essay almost fifty years old. At 13 pages in PDF, the Anthony Downs essay goes into much more than the 5-step description Hayward refers to, of course. Downs' final paragraph, though, is prescient:
Hayward continues:
It's this third stage where the issue becomes "politicized" in the onerous sense of the word, since achieving the apparent solution, either literally paying for it, or changing to allow it, requires transforming society, or at minimum "reordering our economic priorities." In my lifetime this has always meant subscribing to some authoritarian model.
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When a problem becomes the vehicle of a leftist political agenda, its passing is inevitable. It's only a question of how much damage will be done along the way.
What if it becomes the vehicle of a right wing agenda? Do you have proof fossil fuel companies aren't financing the occasional "it doesn't exist" epiphanies that are spammed by the right all over the internet from time to time?

What about cancer research? Some people say the pharmaceutical companies are determined to treat it as opposed to wiping it out because they want to make money.

And it seems to me there's plenty of money to be made on not doing anything about it from an economic standpoint, such as my electric bill is going to be huge this summer because it's been hotter than usual and started earlier than usual.

Then there's disaster capitalism.

There's money to be made either way. The problem is, if the "alarmists" are wrong, all you've done is pushed cleaner renewable energy to the forefront. If the deniers are wrong, the damage done is astronomical.'
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Seems to me if you look at it from a risk vs. reward standpoint, policies that result in lessening our dependence on fossil fuels are by far the least intrusive as opposed to ignoring it.
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