Hillary to garnish wages of those who refuse her health-care.

[preservanation]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080203/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp_31
Clinton health plan may mean tapping pay
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
Sun Feb 3, 11:40 AM ET



WASHINGTON - Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton said Sunday she might be willing to garnish the wages of workers who refuse to buy health insurance to achieve coverage for all Americans.

The New York senator has criticized presidential rival Barack Obama for pushing a health plan that would not require universal coverage. Clinton has not always specified the enforcement measures she would embrace, but when pressed on ABC's "This Week," she said: "I think there are a number of mechanisms" that are possible, including "going after people's wages, automatic enrollment."

Clinton said such measures would apply only to workers who can afford health coverage but refuse to buy it, which puts undue pressure on hospitals and emergency rooms. With her proposals for subsidies, she said, "it will be affordable for everyone."

[lily]

I wish her luck! She screwed with health care when it was her "cause" when Bill was in office.

Car insurance is manditory and the only way you're forced into buying it is if you want plates or get caught. Leave it to the states to decide how they want to impliment it. It's already woring out in some states. We don't need another department made up in Washington to be the health care police. Seems to me someone is going to have to pay their salaries.

[preservanation]

One big thing is that that the Gov will eventually have to put a cap on services, a salary cap on health-care workers (including docs), price control on medicine, and raise taxes to keep universal HC solvent.

I carry car insurance.
When is the gov going to take that over, and what will happen to my coverage and the insurance companies then?

[AnnEsthesia]

P, insurances already put caps on things. I just got a notice from my insurance that they had paid my dentist. The dentist had submitted for $1200. The insurance has a cap of $900 for that work. The dentist, by being a part of the insurance, agrees to accept that amount and according to the insurance, I am NOT to pay the balance. So, in essence, the insurance has already forced the dentist to take a salary cap.

[Keith Hamburger]

P, insurances already put caps on things. I just got a notice from my insurance that they had paid my dentist. The dentist had submitted for $1200. The insurance has a cap of $900 for that work. The dentist, by being a part of the insurance, agrees to accept that amount and according to the insurance, I am NOT to pay the balance. So, in essence, the insurance has already forced the dentist to take a salary cap.

And, if the costs rise to the point where the insurance is too low to justify the dentists efforts, the next step is that your dentist will simply stop accepting that insurance.

It has already happened with Medicare/Medicaid. Thousands of medical providers already refuse to accept people in those programs and even more will take no new patients in those programs and will only take care of the patients they've already developed a relationship with.

Beyond that, if our government institutes what amounts to a system of slavery to force medical providers to accept government "insurance", the next step is that we will have a mass exodus of medical providers to other lines of work.

What do you propose to do when it is no longer profitable enough for a doctor to continue his practice? Are we to force those doctors to continue in their practice against their will? Fines for licensed doctors that seek another line of work? Possibly jail time? What will you do if doctors decide their best strategy is to do things that will cause their licenses to be revoked because they no longer wish to work in that field?

There is no way that this can end well.

Keith

[MrHappy]

Hillary's American Health Choices Plan (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcareplan/) states the following:

It's your choice:
If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare. And working families will get tax credits to help pay their premiums.

IOW, if you're already covered through your employer, etc, then the wage garnishment thing would not apply.

Also, comparing auto insurance to health insurance is like comparing a machine to a human life. Apples and oranges, really.

[underdawg]

Well car insurance is manditory if and only if you have a car. I do not think that health insurance should be manditory. I think people should be able to opt out. People should not be forsed to receive health care if they don't want it or can not afford it. Yes, the alternative might be death, but shouldn't that be a choice?

[preservanation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VszMdi6Iyo

The drama comes 48 hours after taping had to be delayed Sunday on ABC 'THIS WEEK', when a Clinton coughing fit alarmed producers. Concerned Host George Stephanopoulos told the senator to get some "tea and lemon".At least she was offered the same cure that we all be subject to, if her HC proposal becomes law.
Universal tea and lemon.
Do it for the children...

[lily]

That video craked me up!

[brien]

At least she was offered the same cure that we all be subject to, if her HC proposal becomes law.

That's not the way I see it and I think this is a common misconception with UHC. There will be two levels of health care. One for the common folks who can't afford their own plan, so the taxpayers will pick up the tab for them. And then, the health care for those who have their own insurance already. Much like Kieth Hamburger stated in his post with regard to caps on payments by HC providers. He is spot on here.

It has already happened with Medicare/Medicaid. Thousands of medical providers already refuse to accept people in those programs and even more will take no new patients in those programs and will only take care of the patients they've already developed a relationship with

Therefore, some physicians and hospitals will simply opt out of caring for those on the government plan which will result in two levels of care. One for the privileged and one for the common man. Which one do you think will be better?:ponder:

Add to this, a incredible amount of uninsured people, 40 million by some estimates, and another 20 million and growing, illegal workers here in the US, and the "public health care system" will likely be overwhelmed in its first five years and probably will go broke unless massive tax increases upon the common working man are instituted in the US tax code to pay for this debacle.

Also, comparing auto insurance to health insurance is like comparing a machine to a human life.

Apparently the poster above isn't familiar with the British system. In fact, you can replace the starter in a car in England faster than you can get a a bed in a hospital.:madlaugh:

Also, as with auto mandatory insurance at the state level, one only needs to prove they have it when registering the auto, One can drop it after they have been issued the insurance card and who is the wiser?

Nope, UHC is the disaster waiting in the wings if we elect a Democrat as the next President. The sheer cost of it will increase taxes upon every single citizen in this nation whether they pay income taxes or not today. Most likely those who have health insurance will have to continue to pay for their own insurance, and furthermore, they will have to then pay for those who don't have health insurance as well. The old double whammy. :shock:

WHACK ! Thank you sir, may I have another?:dizzy:

[preservanation]

brian, you make a key point about the two tier system which will result.
One for elites and one for 90% of the rest of us. Why do you think all the lib elites support it, they have no fear of actually having to participate in the proletariat system. Can you imagine Micheal Moore sitting in an emergency room in East LA waiting to get treated? Never happen.

If you think hospitals and the system is busy now...holy shiit!
The day Hillary care is passed every man woman and child will show up for their free MRI, CAT scan, TB test, Viagra, EKG, Cholesterol test, etc...That will go on until all supplies and resources are eliminated, then no more. It's going to look like a truck full food aid trying to distribute water in the Savanna.
The easiest way to run out of something to make it "free".
How long till her $110 Bill/year program turns into a $330 Bill /year program?
My guess is about five weeks.[hr]I remember when the HMO system came to town in the 80's...GREAT!
$40 a month for comprehensive healthcare wit a $10 co-pay! Super.
What happened? The same thing I described above.
I now pay over 10 times that...and ours is described as one of the best in the nation.
I shudder to think what's going to happen if the Fed Gov took over this huge part of our economy and lives.
All we have to do is look north to Canada to see what a failure it is.
My buddie's dad was lucky enough to get in here for a heart bypass, his wait in Canada was over 6 weeks for his surgery.
Very likely he would be dead today. Oh well, write a letter, at least it'll make you feel a little better about losing a parent unnecessarily.

Ever been to the DMV?
This is what our hospitals will look like, with about the same level of competence and empathy.