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Alonzo
08-15-2006, 04:54 AM
WASHINGTON -- An Army base in Missouri used the "don't ask, don't tell" policy to kick out more soldiers than any other military installation last year, followed by an Army base on the Kentucky-Tennessee border and a naval base in Virginia.

Sixty people were dismissed last year from Fort Leonard Wood, Mo., according to Defense Department documents shared with The Associated Press by the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. That was up from 40 discharges under the policy from the training facility in 2004.

The advocacy group, which advises military personnel on the gay policy, obtained the information through a Freedom of Information Act request. Pentagon spokeswoman Lt. Col. Ellen Krenke confirmed that the Defense Department provided the information to the advocacy group.

The second-highest number of discharges were at Fort Campbell, a sprawling Army base on the Kentucky-Tennessee line. But the 49 people dismissed there, up from 19 in 2004, also represented the single-biggest increase in discharges anywhere.

It was at Fort Campbell where a soldier, Pfc. Barry Winchell, was bludgeoned to death in 1999 by a fellow soldier who believed Winchell was gay. Gay discharges from the base went up sharply on the heels of that murder but later subsided.

"The numbers at Fort Campbell remain disturbing because of the history there," said C. Dixon Osburn, executive director of Servicemembers Legal Defense Network. "The discharge numbers had gone significantly down. This seems to be a rebound. It's not clear why."

A spokeswoman for the base declined to comment on the statistics.

The Pentagon has said there were 726 military members discharged under the policy last year _ up 11 percent from the year before _ but did not publicly release base-specific information.

The data provided to the legal advocacy group showed the Norfolk, Va., naval base had the third highest number of gay dismissals in 2005, with 35 people leaving under the policy. The Fort Benning Army base in Georgia was next with 31 discharges.

The Pentagon policy, which went into effect in 1994 following passage of congressional legislation, prohibits the military from inquiring about the sex lives of service members but requires those who openly acknowledge being gay to be discharged.

Neither the White House nor the Pentagon has given any indication of dropping their long-standing support for the policy.

Krenke, the Pentagon spokeswoman, said it is the Defense Department's view that congressional action would be needed to change the policy.

A bill to repeal the policy and allow gays to serve openly has been introduced in the House, but no such measure has been introduced in the Senate.

Dr. Elizabeth Recupero, an internist and pediatrician discharged under the policy last year, said she is confident it will eventually be repealed.

"It's going to be overturned because people are needed, and it's not going to matter who they're sleeping with," she said. "We're in a situation of high alert and war."

Recupero was discharged last year after an investigation that lasted about five years. She was to be stationed at Fort Drum, N.Y., after doing her medical training but never served there, having been put on leave during the inquiry.

Recupero says she regrets the way things turned out. "I'm an honorable person," she said. "I made a commitment to fulfill my duty, and I never got to do that, and I kind of feel lousy about this."



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081400104_2.html

PittsburghAfterDark
08-15-2006, 05:00 AM
These figures could be misleading for one simple reason. Both Leonard Wood and Fort Campbell are basic training bases. That's not true of every military installation.

As such bases like this are FAR more likely to expell soldiers who are brand new to the military and made it through questionable recruiting processes. I'm willing to bet the naval base in Virginia is Norfolk which, again, is a basic training installation.

It's not that there's persecution going on here but recruits are far more likely to slip in the DADT policy than a soldier that's been around for years of active duty service and has the system figured out.

Mayberry
08-16-2006, 02:19 AM
I'm willing to bet the naval base in Virginia is Norfolk which, again, is a basic training installation Sorry to bust you on this one, but Norfolk isn't a basic training facility. All Navy basic training is now in Great Lakes, IL. There are training facilities in Norfolk, but not boot camp. Norfolk, Va., naval base had the third highest number of gay dismissals in 2005, with 35 people leaving under the policy. A virtual drop in the bucket, seeing as the ENTIRE Atlantic fleet is now based in Norfolk, save for a few forward deployed vessels in the Med., and our collection of glorified tugboats here in Ingleside, TX (but not for much longer, thanks to BRAC). Putting all your eggs in one basket is asking for trouble if you ask me (Pearl Harbor, anyone?)

Cobra
08-16-2006, 02:46 AM
I posted on this in another thread but I’m looking for some conservative responses on the issue. I'm sure of you have heard the reports of many troops who have to serve their tour in Iraq if their units are stationed to go when they would otherwise be discharged for breaking the don't ask don't tell policy (if anyone just has to have links I'll find em). Now my question, if gays are so bad for the military why in the world would you want them in combat zones where you supposedly need things to be at there best. Are gays good enough to fight and die for this countries wars but not serve the rest of the time. I can understand how a lot of people might be abusing it to get out of going to Iraq but still if no open gays are allowed, no open gays should be allowed, you admitted to being gay.

Rider
08-16-2006, 02:43 PM
Cobra-
I imagine that just about the time that a unit is about to be deployed to a combat zone a certain number of soldiers decide to "come out of the closet". Back during the Vietnam war the percentage of homosexuals among potential inductees could hit about 25%.
Also, being sent to a combat zone does not necessarily mean seeing combat. There are a lot of jobs that never see any combat at all. Less than desirable troops often find themselves pidgeon holed into these slots.

PittsburghAfterDark
08-16-2006, 04:45 PM
Mayberry, I didn't realize the Navy had moved ALL basic training to Great Lakes. I guess that's one of the things during the BRAC process that changed from when I had friends that signed up for naval service 10-15 years ago. I remember also that there had been a carrier based in Jacksonville and substantial submarine operations based in King's Bay, GA (Boomers) and Charleston, SC (Fast Attack). All of that was moved to Norfolk?

I have to agree, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Cobra
08-16-2006, 05:04 PM
Also, being sent to a combat zone does not necessarily mean seeing combat. There are a lot of jobs that never see any combat at all. Less than desirable troops often find themselves pidgeon holed into these slots.
Either way, why should gays be sent and not discharged if their so horrible for the military and it's missions, esspecially in a place the miltary would need to be at it's best, during a war/in combat zones.

Rider
08-16-2006, 05:14 PM
Zo wrote: Either way, why should gays be sent and not discharged if their so horrible for the military and it's missions, esspecially in a place the miltary would need to be at it's best, during a war/in combat zones.
Oh, I quite agree, Zo. I think that they should be discharged. My point was that it's quite possible that many soldiers claiming to be homosexual are possibly just trying to get of going to war.

Mayberry
08-16-2006, 09:46 PM
All of that was moved to Norfolk?
Yup. There is still a boomer base at, Groton CT, but everything else is in Norfolk and Little Creek (right next door). Jacksonville (Mayport) has been closed for quite some time. The same has happened on the left coast, with everything crammed into San Diego. There are still ships in Hawaii and Japan. Bremerton, WA houses the lefty boomers.