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preservanation
02-03-2008, 11:52 AM
Ever wonder why moderates, Independents, the Press are endorsing McCain?
Because he is a straight-shooter?
A maverick?
Can unite the county?
Has the best chance of beating the Dem? (Right, that's why they want him, Hooooooo Boy!)

None of these.
Because they know conservatives won't vote for him? Well, yes, but that's only part of it.

The real reason the Dems want McCain is that they can smear him to no end, and will...make NO mistake about that.
His butt is hanging out over the side of the boat with a flashy buck-tail tied to it.

The press/Dems have HUGE amounts of op-research and lethal bombshells in their arsenal, and they can't wait to use them. They have to bide their time till he gets the nomination, but after that WHAM.

Here is a small sample of what's to come...
Flawed Cindy McCain has a grudge list
By Tony Allen-Mills

ON almost every step of his march towards the Republican nomination, John McCain has relied on the support of his glamorous second wife Cindy. Yet she has not always been a political asset. A Republican victory in November would bring to the White House a formidable but flawed first lady.

The couple have also overcome daunting health problems that included McCain’s bouts with skin cancer, a stroke suffered by Cindy in 2004, and her admission a decade earlier that she had become so addicted to painkillers that she was stealing them from a medical charity she ran.

He was also still married to his first wife Carol, although the couple had recently separated. Carol later attributed the breakdown of the marriage to “John turning 40 and wanting to be 25 again”. McCain fell like a brick for Cindy, who was the heir to a brewery distribution business worth millions. For several years afterwards the McCains endured Washington gossip that he had dumped his first wife - who had been crippled in a car accident - in favour of a trophy bride to enhance his political ambitions.

When federal agents began to investigate gaps in the charity’s records, Cindy telephoned her husband, a senator in Washington, and confessed.

But Cindy recently admitted that she keeps a “grudge list”.
These are excerpts for the purpose of brevity.
To see the whole piece, go to...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3295472.ece

Elrathin
02-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Has the best chance of beating the Dem? (Right, that's why they want him, Hooooooo Boy!)

It's funny you mention this. I think you are wrong there. You'd be surprised how many conservatives are supporting McCain There is one board I frequent, that the conservatives there think McCain is the be all end all of conservatives.

I won't mention the name here of that board, but if anyone wants the name I can PM them. I just find it interesting that on this board, many conservatives don't like McCain, but on others, they think he is great and their choice.

preservanation
02-03-2008, 12:26 PM
Do you know why some conservatives don't like or trust McCain, El?[hr]I think some people who would normally call themselves conservatives support McCain for two reasons.
1) WOT
2) They have swallowed the bilge fed to them by libs, dems, and the media that he has the best chance of beating Hillary or Obama.

lily
02-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Well preservation.........I think if he can survive the crap that's being thrown at him from his own party, what the Democrats will throw shold be a breeze.

preservanation
02-06-2008, 10:52 AM
Well preservation.........I think if he can survive the crap that's being thrown at him from his own party, what the Democrats will throw shold be a breeze.
No, I don't think so, but we shall see.
The lib press and Dems have actually been touting him as a maverick for his record, the same record conservatives have a problem with.
If he is nominated all that will change.
Those same criticisms will be employed by the left to suppress the conservative vote by trying to convince the GOP base that McCain is not "one of them".

lily
02-07-2008, 03:16 AM
You mean the only reason why I like him is the lib press?:lmao:

Oh, I don't doubt that the Democrats will go after him, just as I don't doubt the Republicans will go after the Democratic candidate....that's politics as we know it. Also as I said in another thread.....I don't doubt that both sides already have their strategies lined up and ready to go, well in advance.........and wouldn't it be funny to see all that go to waste and have Obama and Huckabee? Neither side would know what to do.:lmao:

preservanation
02-08-2008, 10:32 PM
OK, now that the McCain nomination is in the bag, it's starting.
All of a sudden the positives the press were once praising him for will now become his worst liabilities.

You mean the only reason why I like him is the lib press?
Oh, lilyboo....

Pookie
02-08-2008, 10:47 PM
Just another day in the election year! Everyone's going to be winging bricks at each other before it's over.
Purrs,
Pookie

preservanation
02-08-2008, 10:49 PM
Ain't it fun, Pookie?

Pookie
02-08-2008, 10:52 PM
Gotta love them there politics - and the press - hand me a brick!
Hi, Pres.
Purrs,
Pookie

preservanation
02-09-2008, 05:59 AM
Hi, Pookie.
Want a kitten?
My little Ginger is prego...

preservanation
02-09-2008, 11:20 AM
This is what is coming...anyone who thinks that the press will support McCain is a doofus.
Now that they got what they wanted...him as the GOP nominee, out come the knives.
The press will do everything in their power to destroy him.

Reading this, remember...this is from a journalist (Cummings), not from the Dems per se.


"McCain's decision to highlight — and enhance — his conservative credentials for the primary race has created new general election vulnerabilities he didn't have during his 2000 presidential run.

The most potent argument the Democrats will make: That the McCain of 2008 is a papier-mâché version of the Maverick McCain of 2000.

In 2000, many independent voters — and even some Democrats — admired McCain when he took on the late Rev. Jerry Falwell and conservative Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson by calling them "agents of intolerance" within the party.

This year, he courted both Falwell supporters and Robertson in an effort to win over evangelical voters.

In 1999, McCain said he didn't want to see Roe v. Wade overturned because it could force "women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."

Today, McCain says repeal of the landmark abortion rights Supreme Court decision "wouldn't bother me any."

On the volatile immigration issue, McCain saw his fundraising dry to a trickle last summer after he led the charge for Bush's comprehensive reform legislation.

Today, McCain has recalibrated his stance, saying he would push for strengthening the border to block illegal immigration before dealing with those already here.

McCain also has remained relatively silent on whether that means he would take up the Bush comprehensive bill anew after securing the borders — a question the Democrats will try to force him to answer.

Then there are the matters of McCain's advanced age and his temperament.

If he wins the general election, he will be 72 years old when he takes the oath of office, the oldest of any president. He's also had three bouts with melanoma, a skin cancer.

On the campaign trail, he's joked about his age and, at one point, casually suggested he might serve only one term. He's also said he's learned to control his temper." http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8397_Page2.html

These were all issues either ignored or even counted as positives by the press before he locked up the nomination...now they are being described as negatives. Interesting!

When is the quote function going to be fixed?

Fishingriver
02-12-2008, 05:03 AM
The campaign has been hard on McCain. He looks like he's goin' on 80.

preservanation
02-12-2008, 11:54 AM
The campaign has been hard on McCain. He looks like he's goin' on 80.
I agree.
I have reservations about his stability as well.
The GOP could have done a lot better.

Fishingriver
02-12-2008, 03:35 PM
The campaign has been hard on McCain. He looks like he's goin' on 80.
I agree.
I have reservations about his stability as well.
The GOP could have done a lot better.



Its like getting a preview of what he would look like at the end of his term.

Deadshot
02-12-2008, 03:40 PM
All I can say is, "Thank Allah for the Liberal Media":evil:

potter
02-12-2008, 03:43 PM
I'm not sure the dems have any dubious plans for McCain. The press is a different story as they have to wag the dog regardless of truth.

All I've ever seen the dems do is fight amongst themselves, and I've never ever seen them put up any kind of a real fight against republicans. Republicans can say anything they want about the dems and the dems will roll over without a whimper.

I also know lots of republicans who won't vote for McCain because they feel he is a fraud with ulterior motives for wanting the white house which have nothing to do with representing the country. (they just don't trust him)

Regrettably, I am completely burned out on politics (blame the press) and may just turn off and tune out.

Wndrtch
02-12-2008, 03:59 PM
Has the best chance of beating the Dem? (Right, that's why they want him, Hooooooo Boy!)

It's funny you mention this. I think you are wrong there. You'd be surprised how many conservatives are supporting McCain There is one board I frequent, that the conservatives there think McCain is the be all end all of conservatives.

I won't mention the name here of that board, but if anyone wants the name I can PM them. I just find it interesting that on this board, many conservatives don't like McCain, but on others, they think he is great and their choice.


This is one Conservative, that will have no problem voting for McCain as President, over those other two hatchet-liberal nut-jobs. I for one don't like to lose even one election cycle to Neo-liberal loony’s. I won’t subscribe to suicide, just because I didn't get my way in a Primary. Sure he’s not my first choice, but neither was George, and I voted for him twice.

Many of the Conservatives that are wining about McCain, remind me of the wining the Democrats did in 2000. I couldn't stand it then, and I can't stand it now. Grow up! Your guy lost. Next time work harder for him/her, show up to vote, and make sure they get elected. That's how you play the game. You don't pout and take the ball away, and you certainly don't hand victory over to Utopian-Communists willingly.

Fishingriver
02-12-2008, 04:37 PM
McCain is the only candidate with experience in surrendering to the enemy. To be consistent with Bush's policy of bankrupting America to facilitate Osama's goals....conservatives will value that experience.

Keith Hamburger
02-12-2008, 10:02 PM
McCain is the only candidate with experience in surrendering to the enemy. To be consistent with Bush's policy of bankrupting America to facilitate Osama's goals....conservatives will value that experience.

I think you're right about that. When the press gets hold of the purported actual response of McCain in Vietnam (hint, the Vietnamese codename for him was supposedly "Songbird") what was done to Kerry will look like a walk in the park.

Add on the appearances of PTSD from his war experience, something that would disallow him to even own a firearm in most any state in the country, let alone have his finger on the nuclear trigger, and there's no chance he will ever be president.

The media, however, will probably hold out until after the conventions to bring this out. They want him in there rather than either Romney or Paul, and unless the two of them completely drop out of the race, they won't want to ruin their victim's chances.

Keith

preservanation
02-19-2008, 10:03 AM
The media, however, will probably hold out until after the conventions to bring this out. They want him in there rather than either Romney or Paul, and unless the two of them completely drop out of the race, they won't want to ruin their victim's chances.
You are so right.

You can hear some of the vitriol bubbling under the surface but they'll try to keep a lid on it till McCain is solidified, and more importantly, Obama and Hillary gets their abysmal mess worked out.

Keith Hamburger
02-19-2008, 11:04 PM
The media, however, will probably hold out until after the conventions to bring this out. They want him in there rather than either Romney or Paul, and unless the two of them completely drop out of the race, they won't want to ruin their victim's chances.
You are so right.

You can hear some of the vitriol bubbling under the surface but they'll try to keep a lid on it till McCain is solidified, and more importantly, Obama and Hillary gets their abysmal mess worked out.


At this point, if they turn on McCain too early, it will either be Paul or Huckabee with the nomination. I really doubt that the media will get behind an evangelist, so ...

Keith

preservanation
02-19-2008, 11:21 PM
Good take on it, Keith.At this point, if they turn on McCain too early, it will either be Paul or Huckabee with the nomination. I really doubt that the media will get behind an evangelist, so ...

People complain about the Dem's elite Super delegates, as they should, but some of these RINOS and checked-pants big gov Republicans are almost as bad.
They really chap my ass, too.

preservanation
02-21-2008, 01:25 AM
The Long Run
For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk
By JIM RUTENBERG, MARILYN W. THOMPSON, DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and STEPHEN LABATON
WASHINGTON — Early in Senator John McCain’s first run for the White House eight years ago, waves of anxiety swept through his small circle of advisers.

A female lobbyist had been turning up with him at fund-raisers, visiting his offices and accompanying him on a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself — instructing staff members to block the woman’s access, privately warning her away and repeatedly confronting him, several people involved in the campaign said on the condition of anonymity.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=3&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

Don't ever doubt the preservanatoin...

preservanation
02-21-2008, 11:47 AM
I guess he's now officially the GOP nominee.
They're starting in earnest, now.
Katy bar the door...Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, 40, both say they never had a romantic relationship. But to his advisers, even the appearance of a close bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had business before the Senate committee Mr. McCain led threatened the story of redemption and rectitude that defined his political identity.

It had been just a decade since an official favor for a friend with regulatory problems had nearly ended Mr. McCain’s political career by ensnaring him in the Keating Five scandal. In the years that followed, he reinvented himself as the scourge of special interests, a crusader for stricter ethics and campaign finance rules, a man of honor chastened by a brush with shame.

But the concerns about Mr. McCain’s relationship with Ms. Iseman underscored an enduring paradox of his post-Keating career. Even as he has vowed to hold himself to the highest ethical standards, his confidence in his own integrity has sometimes seemed to blind him to potentially embarrassing conflicts of interest.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?ei=5065&en=30275248afff65bf&ex=1204174800&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

lily
02-22-2008, 02:45 AM
Gives Limbaugh and Coulter the out they need to start supporting him.

preservanation
02-22-2008, 01:27 PM
Gives Limbaugh and Coulter the out they need to start supporting him.
OMG.
You are so right!

It's like the kid who can pick on his own sister all day, but have some boy in her class do it instead?..Wham

This is as example of McCain being elevated by the enemies he keeps.
Many conservatives think that McCain was too close to the NYT (and Dems in general) anyway, plus the paper endorsed him.

So when the NYT turned on him with this obvious hit-piece which was clearly intended to damage him, we can all say, "See, See? Going across the aisle to work with libs will always get you bitten".
Might even coalesce the Cons around him, more than he could have ever done himself.

MCCAIN! Gut check...You are a REPUBLICAN, the NYT, the press and Libs HATE Republicans. None of them will ever vote for you or aid you in anyway to defeat a Dem candidate!
Jeeeeze Louise....