What Really Happened On D-Day, On June 6, 1944?

[December]

Well, everyone knows what D-Day is so there is no need to explain it than.
We all know the official story of course... But what really happened?....

Was there a fight on Normandy beaches?

At the time of D-Day the war was over.
80% of German army was fighting in the EASTERN front.

In fact, the Germans didn't even have troops to fight the invasion on Normandy beaches.

And pictures prove it.
Do you see ANY German soldiers on the beach?

http://www.rjgeib.com/heroes/draper/d-day-beach.jpg

http://users.breathe.com/martin.reeve/Dday5.jpg

And from the air -

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1862/78673787bt1.jpg

Take a look - US marines were standing which mean that they were not even afraid to be shot!

http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-GB/content/d-day1.jpg

So what is the true story?

[Keith Hamburger]

Well, by the time the reporters got there to take pictures, I would imagine that things were reasonably cleared up.

Also, that was a long beach they came up on. I would imagine that you would be correct in asserting that the entire beach wasn't defended.

Beyond that, I think you might want to come up with some links to your theory with some add'l support than a few pictures.

Keith

[Easy90]

What a truly profane post December...even if it is a "joke."

In April and May 1944, the Allied air forces lost nearly 12,000 men and over 2,000 aircraft in operations which paved the way for D-Day.

Total Allied casualties on D-Day are estimated at 10,000, including 2500 dead. British casualties on D-Day have been estimated at approximately 2700. The Canadians lost 946 casualties. The US forces lost 6603 men. Note that the casualty figures for smaller units do not always add up to equal these overall figures exactly, however (this simply reflects the problems of obtaining accurate casualty statistics).

Casualties on the British beaches were roughly 1000 on Gold Beach and the same number on Sword Beach. The remainder of the British losses were amongst the airborne troops: some 600 were killed or wounded, and 600 more were missing; 100 glider pilots also became casualties. The losses of 3rd Canadian Division at Juno Beach have been given as 340 killed, 574 wounded and 47 taken prisoner.

The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured. Of the total US figure, 2499 casualties were from the US airborne troops (238 of them being deaths). The casualties at Utah Beach were relatively light: 197, including 60 missing. However, the US 1st and 29th Divisions together suffered around 2000 casualties at Omaha Beach.

The total German casualties on D-Day are not known, but are estimated as being between 4000 and 9000 men.

Naval losses for June 1944 included 24 warships and 35 merchantmen or auxiliaries sunk, and a further 120 vessels damaged.

Over 425,000 Allied and German troops were killed, wounded or went missing during the Battle of Normandy. This figure includes over 209,000 Allied casualties, with nearly 37,000 dead amongst the ground forces and a further 16,714 deaths amongst the Allied air forces. Of the Allied casualties, 83,045 were from 21st Army Group (British, Canadian and Polish ground forces), 125,847 from the US ground forces. The losses of the German forces during the Battle of Normandy can only be estimated. Roughly 200,000 German troops were killed or wounded. The Allies also captured 200,000 prisoners of war (not included in the 425,000 total, above). During the fighting around the Falaise Pocket (August 1944) alone, the Germans suffered losses of around 90,000, including prisoners.

Today, twenty-seven war cemeteries hold the remains of over 110,000 dead from both sides: 77,866 German, 9386 American, 17,769 British, 5002 Canadian and 650 Poles.

Between 15,000 and 20,000 French civilians were killed, mainly as a result of Allied bombing. Thousands more fled their homes to escape the fighting.

http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm

[Go Fish]

Wasn't your nephew shot in the head while he was sleeping, by a good "friend":question:
Okay, you might not be the same guy, but you're DNA duplicates. You know, bikes, guns, robes.......
My Father was there, (Expletive deleted only because I don't know if I can call you an "a***ole" on this board yet.) and I can assure you that you are wrong. Feel free to pass this information around at your next cross-burning & leather orgy.
If the Nazis hadn't been so busy engaging each other in gay sex, they might have had a chance.

[cronic]

Thank you easy90 for explaining all that to December .. I think his Post ( December's ) was Incorrectly assumed as well as not to mention pathetic.. I had an Uncle who was a dynamite carrier.. He was in the vicinity of a grenade at the wrong time and nothing was left of him afterwards..the date: June 6, 1944.... I seriously doubt the war was over for him or any of his comrades just before he died on that historic day!!

[BoogyMan]

What REALLY happened on D-Day was that the greatest generation America has ever known landed on those beaches in France and gave life and limb for a people who desperately needed our help, and gave the Germans a righteous thumping in the process. THAT is what really happened on D-Day, December.

[apdst]

December,

You should REALLY, REALLY, REALLY stick to trying to BS us and stay as far away from actual historical facts as possible.

1) Of course there were no Germans on the beach. They were all behind the fortifications. The first picture you posted was taken on like, D+5, i.e. 5 days AFTER the landings took place.

2) There were NO American Marine units that participated in The Normandy Landings. The second picture you posted is of American Army personel from The 29th ID, 1st ID, 4th ID, 329th Regimental Combat Team, 90th ID, The 5th Ranger Battalion or The 2nd Ranger Battalion.

3) No, they're not lieing down, but they ARE running. Running, during an invasion is a good indicator that they are proceeding to a safe place, because the space they currently occupy is dagerous as hell.

4) The airial photograph? It appears to have been taken from several thousand feet. On D+0 it was foggy, cloudy and raining. I doubt that an airial shot would have been possible. I'll tell you something else the airial shot doesn't show: no impacting artillery, on the beach, or in the water, nor any smoke from that same artillery fire. In fact, there's a whole lotta 'nuthin on that beach, which leads me to suspect that it isn't even a shot of Sword, Gold, Juno, Omaha, or Utah beaches.

[Nono]

Allow me to add my voice to all this indignation at December's post, which is 'a conspiracy too far'.

There's nothing unlikely about the 'official version'. The D-Day landings were a damn close shave for the Allies, and it took them a couple of months to really get a solid foothold.

And BoogyMan, they weren't all Americans. Y'all bin watchin' too much Hollywood. And this "greatest generation" stuff is a load of sentimental nonsense that's all in the eye of the beholder.

[Deadshot]

This is just a stupid post from December. All the Allied countries, under American direction, took part in some way on D-Day. For someone not to notice pictures that were taken days after and not realize that we have personal testimony from not only soldiers on the ground, from BOTH sides - we also have reporters first hand accounts that were carried in Papers throughout the WORLD!!!

December, a conspiracy involving a few hundred people is possible. So if you want to question the JFK assassination or the Moon Landing you might be able to build a scenario. But a conspiracy involving tens of thousands of soldiers (from both sides) and civilians just isn't humanly possible. French civilians from Le Harvre to Boyeux to St. Lo to Carentan and Varreville attested to the heated battle. There were 156K Allied troops involved. The Nazis, after they realized that it was a "real" invasion, transferred tens of thousands from the East.

I think December is just pushing buttons, there's one on every board.

[BoogyMan]

Allow me to add my voice to all this indignation at December's post, which is 'a conspiracy too far'.

There's nothing unlikely about the 'official version'. The D-Day landings were a damn close shave for the Allies, and it took them a couple of months to really get a solid foothold.

And BoogyMan, they weren't all Americans. Y'all bin watchin' too much Hollywood. And this "greatest generation" stuff is a load of sentimental nonsense that's all in the eye of the beholder.


I didn't say they WERE all Americans Nono, and the "greatest generation stuff" as you put it is truth. The people of that day sacrificed and paid a steep price at the asking of their country.

[Deadshot]

But doesn't every generation answer the call of it's country when everything's at stake?

[Nono]

I didn't say they WERE all Americans.

Sure sounded that way.

The "greatest generation stuff" as you put it is truth. The people of that day sacrificed and paid a steep price at the asking of their country.

Well ... there certainly was -- in all the countries concerned, including Germany by the way -- a sense of public duty, a sense that "we're all in this together and I have to do my bit". That has largely gone down the tubes in modern society.

I'm glad their country asked them to do that particular thing and that they did it. But people who get into wars always pay a steep price, so this doesn't distinguish the kids who took part in D-Day. And a blind willingness to do whatever your country happens to have on its agenda isn't an absolute virtue in my view.

In fact, the kids who put their foot down and said NO to the Vietnam war were perhaps 'the greatest generation' on that score.

[apdst]

In fact, the kids who put their foot down and said NO to the Vietnam war were perhaps 'the greatest generation' on that score.

They were cowards and don't deserve to call themselves Americans.

[Nono]

Must be mighty convenient to take such a two-dimensional view. Yep, the world's much simpler that way.

[Deadshot]

In fact, the kids who put their foot down and said NO to the Vietnam war were perhaps 'the greatest generation' on that score.

They were cowards and don't deserve to call themselves Americans.


So standing up for ones beliefs is un-American? You're wrong on this one, apdst.

[December]

Well, by the time the reporters got there to take pictures, I would imagine that things were reasonably cleared up.

I am not quite sure what do you mean by that....
Reporters were with the troops from start to finish.[hr]You guys are strange, so far I got from you nothing but insults.

If you want to prove me wrong, then do it - post your own pictures.
Or name some battles between US army and Wehrmacht.

Take a look - US marines were standing which mean that they were not even afraid to be shot!

http://www.annefrankguide.net/en-GB/content/d-day1.jpg

Why were they standing?

Because the German army did not exist at the time of invasion. The war was over.
For those who didn't know - 80% of German army was on the EASTERN front.
Can you name any battles between US army and Wehrmacht?

[Easy90]

Let me guess. 9-11 was an inside job too. Right? LOL!

[December]

Let me guess. 9-11 was an inside job too. Right? LOL!


You are in the wrong thread, Easy90.
Click here to discuss 9/11 - http://www.democracyforums.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=33

[Deadshot]

This dedication goes out to December...
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX0zfv8Ov5I

[preservanation]

Thanks, DS!
And one more for Dec...for good luck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBaOu4gVz7g

[Matt W]

December, how about you look up the Battle of the Bulge, as an example of US troops fighting the Germans?

D-Day DID happen - no-one is disputing that the vast majority of the German army was tied up on the Eastern Front, but to say that the Wermacht 'didn't exist' is a laughable distortion of the facts.

[Easy90]

The holocaust was fake too...right Dec?[hr]

Let me guess. 9-11 was an inside job too. Right? LOL!


You are in the wrong thread, Easy90.
Click here to discuss 9/11 - http://www.democracyforums.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=33


Nah...not on the wrong thread. This thread is about you...You're the only one here that thinks D-day wasn't contended by the Germans... The length you've gone to try to postulate that is impressive. I am just trying to confirm your other ideas. Do you think 9-11 was an inside job? Was the holocaust real? Did the government "fake" the moon landings? Are UFOs part of a government cover-up? Just interested in what other ideas you might have.

[December]

December, how about you look up the Battle of the Bulge, as an example of US troops fighting the Germans?

Post more info. What was there?

[preservanation]

Easy90.
Do a search for his/her threads.
They are truly fascinating.

[December]

Here's video for you. Do you see ANY German soldiers?
Music is great in this video, but do pay attention at what the US marines were doing.

They were NOT firing any shots!

Take a look -

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uPU4p7UQOtU

And by the way, what happened to all-mighty Luftwaffe?
Were they sleeping? :D

I'll tell you what happened to Luftwaffe. It was fighting on the Eastern front.
And by 1944 Luftwaffe didn't exist.
By the tine of invasion on June 6, 1944 (D-Day) the war was over.

History of the Luftwaffe during World War II

The German Luftwaffe was one of the most powerful, doctrinally advanced, and battle-experienced air forces in the world when World War II started in Europe in September 1939. Officially unveiled in 1935, in violation of the Treaty of Versailles, its purpose was to support Hitler's Blitzkrieg across Europe. The aircraft that were to serve in the Luftwaffe were of a new age and far superior to that of most other nations in the 1930s. Types like the Junkers Ju 87 Stuka and Messerschmitt Bf 109 came to symbolize German aerial might.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/BF-110s.jpg

The Luftwaffe became an essential component in the "Blitzkrieg" battle plan. Operating as a tactical close support air force, it helped the German armies to conquer the bulk of the European continent in a series of short and decisive campaigns in the first nine months of the war, experiencing its first defeat during the Battle of Britain in 1940 as it could not adapt into a strategic role, lacking heavy bombers with which to conduct a strategic bombing campaign against the British Isles.

Despite this setback the Luftwaffe remained formidable and in June 1941 embarked on Adolf Hitler's quest for an empire in eastern Europe by invading the USSR, with much initial success. However, the Luftwaffe's stunning victories in the Soviet Union were brought to a halt in the Russian winter of 1942-1943. From then on, it was forced onto the strategic defensive contesting the ever increasing numbers of Soviet aircraft, whilst defending the German homeland and occupied Europe from the growing Allied air forces pounding all aspects of German industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Luftwaffe_during_World_War_II

D-Day from the air -

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1862/78673787bt1.jpg

[Easy90]

Easy90.
Do a search for his/her threads.
They are truly fascinating.


I am sure they would be...but since he's ignoring my questions, I think I can safely assume to know what his answers are. I guess he's the resident conspiracy theory "expert"....though I have seen a couple others here too. LOL! How would you explain folks like that Preservation? :ponder:

[Nono]

December, the onus is on you to debunk the Official History, which is massively documented. So far you've done nothing of the sort.

Where are the Germans?? Where the hell do you think they are? Wisely remaining inside their bunkers. It's like saying "They claim the Earth is round, but just look at this photo. Where's the curve on the horizon?? You can't tell me the Earth is round!"

And here's a wee indication of the quality of your 'analysis'. Take a gander at your photo of "US marines".

1) Has anyone claimed that US Marine units took part in D-Day? Perhaps they did, but I'm unaware of it.

2) If you'd kindly do something as fundamental as looking at their helmets, you'll see that they aren't US at all, but clearly British or Canadian. (That is, if you have the least notion of the subject you're pontificating about.)

3) Did you ever consider that maybe these guy are part of the second wave landing at a beach that has already been secured.

In short, I'd suggest you do your homework.

[December]

I guess he's the resident conspiracy theory "expert"....though I have seen a couple others here too. LOL! How would you explain folks like that Preservation? :ponder:


Easy90, I have a feeling that you NEVER discussed historical evens in your life.
I didn't answer your questions simply because they have nothing to do with this thread.
Thanks to Internet I discovered these photos and I was surprised to see that there was no battle on the ground or in the air.

If you have any documents to prove me wrong, than do it.[hr]
December, the onus is on you to debunk the Official History, which is massively documented. So far you've done nothing of the sort.

I posted the OFFICIAL photos on the first page of this thread. Did you see them?

[Easy90]

Thanks to Internet I discovered these photos and I was surprised to see that there was no battle on the ground or in the air.

If you have any documents to prove me wrong, than do it. Dec

Well Dec...you're obviously right. The D'Day invasion was all a big hoax. Your photos clearly prove that. Thanks for bringing us all up to speed about that giant facade. :worship:

All those GIs (most are dead now anyway) who are survivors of the "hoax" invasion were just putt'n us all on... Hell...where did you get those pictures? You should send them to the local newspaper so they can spread the word about the big D-Day invasion scam. I bet your congressman (assuming you live in the US...which is a BIG assumption) isn't aware of this big hoax! You should send him or her an email with links...Get this ball rolling..so we can get the history books corrected, and this big charade exposed!

Thanks again for opening our eyes!

[preservanation]

Easy90.
Do a search for his/her threads.
They are truly fascinating.


I am sure they would be...but since he's ignoring my questions, I think I can safely assume to know what his answers are. I guess he's the resident conspiracy theory "expert"....though I have seen a couple others here too. LOL! How would you explain folks like that Preservation? :ponder:
Fluoridated water!

[AlanC]

Chernoble, maybe?

[preservanation]

Low ceiling fan

[Easy90]

High lead concentrations in the water? (That's just wrong!)

[Nono]

I posted the OFFICIAL photos on the first page of this thread. Did you see them?

Yeah, Dec, I saw them (and was duly impressed by their officialness...).

They clearly ain't, as you claim, "US marines", and the reason they're standing is presumably that they are, indeed, not afraid of being shot at that particular minute. (I mean, jeez, imagine the lumbago you'd get if you spent every minute of the entire war hunched over).

Really, Dec, you've made a fool of yourself here.

[Questerr]

The picture of the "US Marines", are not Marines. They are probably British troops. The tank they are on is a Tetrarch light tank, which was only used by the Brits and Canadians NOT AMERICANS.

More to the point, the tank landing craft they are coming in on wouldn't be present when there was still Germans on the field. They were large enough that they would be easily destroyed by german guns. And they only arrived in the second and third waves, AFTER THE BEACHES WERE CLEAR.

The picture with the (probably) US infantry (NOT MARINES) coming off the landing craft and asking "why were there no Germans on the beach?" Look at that sea wall in the distance in the picture. THAT is were the Germans were. They were in fortifications on the sea wall.

But December is partially right. Most of the German Army was tied up on the Eastern Front. Which is why the Normandy defenses were mostly defended by Axis Auxillary troops!

The defenders at Normandy were French, Hollanders, Danes, Czechs, Poles, and yes December, CAPTURED RUSSIAN COLLABORATORS and VOLUNTEERS. The Russians fought FOR Germany, but only on the Western Front to keep them from defecting back to the Soviets.

Russian Liberation Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army)

A number of such soldiers were on guard in Normandy on D-Day, and without the equipment or the motivation to fight the allies, most promptly surrendered. There were instances of bitter fighting to the very end, triggered by mishandled propaganda from the Allies that promised quick repatriation of soldiers back to the Soviet Union if they gave up.

[Deadshot]

Good rebuttal, Quest, but it falls on deaf ears. December's here to stip the pot and has a conspiracy theory about everything.

[Go Fish]

Better watch it, Easy. He'll make you cry "Uncle"!:dork:

[ticbeast]

December, please do not ever again ask me to open a history book :)

There are conspiracies, then there are unsustainable claims. What makes you think all of those photographs were taken at the time of the invasion? What makes you think the Germans weren't taking cover? Maybe you can't see them because...the camera men were really far away?

[mrbreezy]

There were no Germans on D-Day. There was no D-Day. Not even at Delta house. There are no Germans, there is no Germany. It's all a myth.

The Second World War was between Earth and Mars. I know this because the cuddly, little gerbils in my head said so.

[Pookie]

My dear Mom's first husband, the father of one of my sisters, was killed on D-day. I never knew the gentleman, but the day I joined the Army and signed my paperwork, I raised my hand with the pen in it and said, "This is for you, David."
My Mom was left a 23-year-old widow with a 10-month-old baby girl who never knew her sweet Daddy, and that really sucked for my Mom.
Don't even try to tell me it didn't happen, okay?
Purrs,
Pookie

[Didereaux]

Well I knew my Dad and he landed on Utah Beach. I believe I will take what he said about it as being far closer to the truth than some idiot with some pictures on the internet. He also fought on the Western front of the Bulge and his unit was one of the first to cross the Rhine, not the first, but in the first wave. His company went on to take Berchtesgarten, and wound up in Austria facing the Russians across the river.

I suppost this idiot will next claim there was no Bataan march? In which case my uncle Clyde Herd would have been lying about his having barely survived it, and then died of the complications after the war. Or maybe Pearl Harbor didn't happen either, and my cousin James Gammill never survived that and later the Battle of the coral Sea.

It's probably well and good that old men grow feebler with age, for if that were not so many more of todays ignorant youth would be murdered.

[Easy90]

I think these conspiracy folks believe Pearl Harbor "happened" but the attacks were staged. The depression was not improving, and rather than continuing to hire out of work folks in the Civilian Conservation Corps, FDR figgered it would be cheaper and easier to stage an obviously "bogus" attack...(I would show photos, clearly showing the airplanes were actually US made, painted with red circles to simulate Japan's colors)....and just put all the jobless in military jobs. The attack was timed so as to draw the US into WW-2...and in reality, the Japanese were as surprised about the staged, so-called "attack" as the average American. That close to what you are thinking December?