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ECW
08-12-2006, 06:51 AM
A former Interior Department employee pleaded guilty yesterday to a misdemeanor charge for failing to report gifts he received from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Roger G. Stillwell, 66, told a federal magistrate that he had been given hundreds of dollars' worth of football and concert tickets by Abramoff, who at the time was lobbying for the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

Stillwell was with the Interior Department's office of insular affairs, which handles issues involving the island government. He is the fifth former government official to plead guilty or be found guilty by a jury in the investigation of Abramoff, who was convicted on felony counts of fraud and corruption.

Documents filed as part of Stillwell's plea do not indicate whether he is providing authorities with evidence against others who may be involved.

Stillwell faces up to a year in prison.

more...

The Abramoff scandal takes its toll on more corrupt Republicans. More crooks are under investigation. It's all that absolute power corrupting absolutely stuff.

More Corruption Information Here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/11/AR2006081101605.html?nav=rss_politics)

Nathan Brazil
08-12-2006, 09:00 AM
Wow. Hundreds of dollars in football tickets. THE END OF THE REPUBLIC IS NIGH!


Sure beats having a president who's a rapist, a perjurer, and a lawyer.

ECW
08-12-2006, 03:43 PM
Better a president who screws around on the side than one who doesn't and screws the rest of us instead. And your boy Chimpy McFlightpants has taken rape to a whole new level. The whole country has been raped. Repeatedly. As evidenced by the article and the numerous political hacks he's allowed to, as of yet, go unnoticed in their rape and pillage of our once proud democracy.

BoogyMan
08-12-2006, 04:35 PM
[quote]A former Interior Department employee pleaded guilty yesterday to a misdemeanor charge for failing to report gifts he received from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Roger G. Stillwell, 66, told a federal magistrate that he had been given hundreds of dollars' worth of football and concert tickets by Abramoff, who at the time was lobbying for the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

blah blah blah


Now lets have a truth check for ECW:
STILLWELL IS A DEMOCRAT!

Link Here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/28/AR2006062802069_pf.html)

An Interior Department official who has acknowledged receiving meals and tickets to sporting events from former lobbyist Jack Abramoff has been charged with filing a false financial disclosure report.

Roger G. Stillwell, an employee of the department's Insular Affairs Office, was charged with a single misdemeanor count of making a false filing, according to papers filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court. Federal officials said he is expected to enter a guilty plea at a court appearance set for July 21 before Magistrate Deborah A. Robinson.

Stillwell is an officer on the desk that handles the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory whose government hired Abramoff as a lobbyist. The Washington Post reported in December that Stillwell was among the Interior officials whom Abramoff's team tried to cultivate.

Stillwell could not be reached to comment yesterday, and his lawyer, Justin Murphy, did not return a telephone call seeking comment. Stillwell is accused of falsely certifying that he did not receive gifts from a prohibited source in a financial disclosure report filed in October 2004 covering the previous fiscal year.

Stillwell told The Post last year that he accepted dinners at Abramoff's restaurant, Signatures, and tickets to Washington Redskins games. He justified those actions by saying they occurred while he was a contract employee at Interior, not a federal employee.

He told The Post that he had sent Abramoff copies of e-mails he sent to his boss. Stillwell said he saw "nothing wrong with doing that" because they did not contain confidential information. "I don't feel it was a conflict of interest," Stillwell told The Post.

During the 1990s, before Stillwell joined the Interior Department, his communications firm did work for the Marianas government, according to an audit by the island government.

Stillwell, a Democrat, said in the interview with The Post that he worked closely with Abramoff when their representation of the island government overlapped beginning in 1995.

Stillwell is the first Interior official charged in the probe. The case against him is being brought by the Justice Department task force investigating the Abramoff lobbying scandal, which includes criminal investigators from the office of Interior's inspector general. Abramoff and three lobbying associates have pleaded guilty in the wide-ranging corruption investigation, which focuses in part on their dealings with the Interior Department and with Congress on behalf of their tribal and territorial clients.

Nathan Brazil
08-12-2006, 07:37 PM
Better a president who screws around on the side than one who doesn't and screws the rest of us instead.

I recall using the word "rapist".

There's a reason why I used that specific word. Probably because it describes exactly what I intended to say.

bobbylien
08-12-2006, 09:16 PM
lol, so you are using a corrupt democrat to bitch at republicans about corruption? Corruption hits both sides, its human nature. Wow, thats funny! "those damn republicans are so corrupt.. oops thats a story of democratic corruption, my bad.."
I don't think a few hundred dollars is such a big deal, but he should still lose his job because of it. We need to send a message to corrupt politicians.

When you saw a story about a corrupt politician you didn't even have to check the facts, you just assumed he was a republican because democrats can't do anything wrong.

ECW
08-12-2006, 11:08 PM
Now lets have a truth check for ECW:
STILLWELL IS A DEMOCRAT!


I stand corrected.

It appears Abramoff is able to corrupt both parties.

ECW
08-12-2006, 11:11 PM
When you saw a story about a corrupt politician you didn't even have to check the facts, you just assumed he was a republican because democrats can't do anything wrong.

When I saw the story, there was no mention of his political party. Technically, he is a bureaucrat, not a politician. Your assumption about what I assume is just as much off the mark. Try again.

ECW
08-12-2006, 11:14 PM
Better a president who screws around on the side than one who doesn't and screws the rest of us instead.

I recall using the word "rapist".

There's a reason why I used that specific word.Â*Â*Probably because it describes exactly what I intended to say.


A guy gets a BJ and now he's a rapist. There's the perfect reason I don't take your word for anything and make you provide a citation as proof before I take what you say to be valid. Do so here.

Nathan Brazil
08-13-2006, 12:25 AM
A guy gets a BJ and now he's a rapist.

No, he's been a rapist since before that Lewinski broad was born.

I see your knowledge of presidential history is as valid as you knowledge of the hiring practices of the State Department.

Perhaps you should have paid more attention during the 90's?

lily
08-13-2006, 01:05 AM
I'm also curious, Nathan. I'd like a link to what you are referring to .

Alonzo
08-13-2006, 02:51 AM
I'm also curious, Nathan. I'd like a link to what you are referring to .


I think he's referring to this guy:

In April 1991, major newspapers carried the report that actress Selene Walters claimed that, in 1952, Reagan, when he was president of the Screen Actors Guild, had raped her in her home. The charge was initially publicized in Kitty Kelley's unauthorized biography of Nancy Reagan and then repeated in a People magazine interview with Walters. "I opened the door," Walters told the magazine. "Then it was the battle of the couch. I was fighting him. I didn't want him to make love to me. He's a very big man, and he just had his way." According to Kelley, Walters shared contemporaneous accounts of the encounter with friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_rape_against_United_States_presiden ts#Ronald_Reagan

dsanthony
08-13-2006, 03:12 AM
[quote]A former Interior Department employee pleaded guilty yesterday to a misdemeanor charge for failing to report gifts he received from lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

Roger G. Stillwell, 66, told a federal magistrate that he had been given hundreds of dollars' worth of football and concert tickets by Abramoff, who at the time was lobbying for the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands.

blah blah blah


Now lets have a truth check for ECW:
STILLWELL IS A DEMOCRAT!

Link Here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/28/AR2006062802069_pf.html)

An Interior Department official who has acknowledged receiving meals and tickets to sporting events from former lobbyist Jack Abramoff has been charged with filing a false financial disclosure report.

Roger G. Stillwell, an employee of the department's Insular Affairs Office, was charged with a single misdemeanor count of making a false filing, according to papers filed Tuesday in U.S. District Court. Federal officials said he is expected to enter a guilty plea at a court appearance set for July 21 before Magistrate Deborah A. Robinson.

Stillwell is an officer on the desk that handles the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, a U.S. territory whose government hired Abramoff as a lobbyist. The Washington Post reported in December that Stillwell was among the Interior officials whom Abramoff's team tried to cultivate.

Stillwell could not be reached to comment yesterday, and his lawyer, Justin Murphy, did not return a telephone call seeking comment. Stillwell is accused of falsely certifying that he did not receive gifts from a prohibited source in a financial disclosure report filed in October 2004 covering the previous fiscal year.

Stillwell told The Post last year that he accepted dinners at Abramoff's restaurant, Signatures, and tickets to Washington Redskins games. He justified those actions by saying they occurred while he was a contract employee at Interior, not a federal employee.

He told The Post that he had sent Abramoff copies of e-mails he sent to his boss. Stillwell said he saw "nothing wrong with doing that" because they did not contain confidential information. "I don't feel it was a conflict of interest," Stillwell told The Post.

During the 1990s, before Stillwell joined the Interior Department, his communications firm did work for the Marianas government, according to an audit by the island government.

Stillwell, a Democrat, said in the interview with The Post that he worked closely with Abramoff when their representation of the island government overlapped beginning in 1995.

Stillwell is the first Interior official charged in the probe. The case against him is being brought by the Justice Department task force investigating the Abramoff lobbying scandal, which includes criminal investigators from the office of Interior's inspector general. Abramoff and three lobbying associates have pleaded guilty in the wide-ranging corruption investigation, which focuses in part on their dealings with the Interior Department and with Congress on behalf of their tribal and territorial clients.




I hate to use this term, but... LOL!

ECW proved to me after 2 or 3 posts that he is rabidly partisan and not a reliable source.

lily
08-13-2006, 03:28 AM
I'm also curious, Nathan. I'd like a link to what you are referring to .


I think he's referring to this guy:

In April 1991, major newspapers carried the report that actress Selene Walters claimed that, in 1952, Reagan, when he was president of the Screen Actors Guild, had raped her in her home. The charge was initially publicized in Kitty Kelley's unauthorized biography of Nancy Reagan and then repeated in a People magazine interview with Walters. "I opened the door," Walters told the magazine. "Then it was the battle of the couch. I was fighting him. I didn't want him to make love to me. He's a very big man, and he just had his way." According to Kelley, Walters shared contemporaneous accounts of the encounter with friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accusations_of_rape_against_United_States_presiden ts#Ronald_Reagan


Ah.......thanks........that clears up alot!:D

Alonzo
08-13-2006, 04:20 AM
ECW proved to me after 2 or 3 posts that he is rabidly partisan and not a reliable source.


Pot, meet kettle.

ECW
08-13-2006, 08:14 AM
ECW proved to me after 2 or 3 posts that he is rabidly partisan and not a reliable source.

Your opinion is worth the paper it's written on. As with Nathan Brazil, you will also need to start posting citations before you can be believed. At least when I make a mistake, I own up to it. That's more than I can say for our neo-con associates here on this board, who, like their hero the Chimpster, have never made a mistake they can remember.

:rolleyes:

Churchel
08-13-2006, 10:41 AM
Wow.Â*Â*Hundreds of dollars in football tickets.Â*Â*THE END OF THE REPUBLIC IS NIGH!


Nathan you are right, a couple of hundred dollars worth of gifts over time is not what I consider a big deal.Â*Â*If it was a couple of hundred dollars a week there needs to be an investigation.

You have not changed your stance since this new information have you?

I consider you a guy who believes on wednesday what he believed on monday, no matter what happened tuesday.

BoogyMan
08-13-2006, 02:26 PM
Wow.Â*Â*Hundreds of dollars in football tickets.Â*Â*THE END OF THE REPUBLIC IS NIGH!


Nathan you are right, a couple of hundred dollars worth of gifts over time is not what I consider a big deal.Â*Â*If it was a couple of hundred dollars a week there needs to be an investigation.

You have not changed your stance since this new information have you?

I consider you a guy who believes on wednesday what he believed on monday, no matter what happened tuesday.


And now the equivocation begins.....

Nathan Brazil
08-13-2006, 07:15 PM
I'm also curious, Nathan. I'd like a link to what you are referring to .


Then you should have paid more attention in the 90's too.

Here's a link to help you get started. (www.google.com)

Nathan Brazil
08-13-2006, 07:18 PM
I consider you a guy who believes on wednesday what he believed on monday, no matter what happened tuesday.

Whatever. I look at the evidence and go from there. That's why when I refer to rapist as a president, I'm clearly talking about the guy that also refused to take possession of Osama bin Laden when offered.

lily
08-13-2006, 11:24 PM
I'm also curious, Nathan. I'd like a link to what you are referring to .


Then you should have paid more attention in the 90's too.

Here's a link to help you get started. (www.google.com)


Just as I thought. At least when ECW made a mistake, he owned up to it.........yet out and out lies are acceptable? hmmmmm

Nathan Brazil
08-14-2006, 03:07 AM
Just as I thought. At least when ECW made a mistake, he owned up to it.........yet out and out lies are acceptable? hmmmmm


You are a Democrat, aren't you? Then even if what I said was a lie (it's not), then you'd have no call to complain. After all, your party elected the rapist, twice.

lily
08-14-2006, 03:14 AM
No, Nathan. I consider myself to be an Independant. I vote for the person, not the party.

Now are you going to provide me proof, or dance some more?

Nathan Brazil
08-14-2006, 03:25 AM
No, Nathan. I consider myself to be an Independant. I vote for the person, not the party.

Now are you going to provide me proof, or dance some more?


I've provided you with a link. Try availing yourself of the resources contained therein. It's not like you weren't alive during the era in question and don't have a clue where to begin.

Hint: type "Clinton" "Rape" into the search engine.

Then click on the "search" button or press the "enter" key on your keyboard.

lily
08-14-2006, 03:34 AM
BWHAAAAAA.....there goes your credibility. Zo's article about the Reagan rape is more believable.

BoogyMan
08-14-2006, 03:56 AM
BWHAAAAAA.....there goes your credibility. Zo's article about the Reagan rape is more believable.


Umm, Lily, 'Zo posted an article from Wikipedia. NOT a site known for its tomes of reputable content or unbiased and honest commentary.

Try again? :)

bobbylien
08-14-2006, 04:00 AM
Umm, Lily, 'Zo posted an article from Wikipedia. NOT a site known for its tomes of reputable content or unbiased and honest commentary.

Try again? :)

Link me to something biased. If it is biased, you can file a complaint and have that part of the article removed. lol search for George W Bush, the page has been locked because of vandalism.

lily
08-14-2006, 04:34 AM
BoogyMan



Umm, Lily, 'Zo posted an article from Wikipedia. NOT a site known for its tomes of reputable content or unbiased and honest commentary.

Which was my point.;)

ECW
08-14-2006, 05:45 AM
No, Nathan. I consider myself to be an Independant. I vote for the person, not the party.

Now are you going to provide me proof, or dance some more?


I've provided you with a link.Â*Â*Try availing yourself of the resources contained therein.Â*Â*It's not like you weren't alive during the era in question and don't have a clue where to begin.

Hint:Â*Â*type "Clinton" "Rape" into the search engine.

Then click on the "search" button or press the "enter" key on your keyboard.


Lily,

Don't you remember how the neo-con mind works? You say something and back it up with a link. Then, they say something and don't have a link. When you ask to see it, they tell you hunt for it yourself. Translation: there is no link and what he said is complete fabrication. PROOF is a word that neo-cons don't like to use because it would prove their whole world is a fairy-tale and not reality.

ECW

Do your own work, NB. If you make an assertion, back it up with proof. (I don't think you can.) Otherwise, it's just your opinion which holds no water here.

Nathan Brazil
08-14-2006, 06:11 AM
Do your own work, NB. If you make an assertion, back it up with proof. (I don't think you can.) Otherwise, it's just your opinion which holds no water here.


Okay.

Link One (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html)

Link Two (http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/bluesky.html)

Link Three (http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/14.html)

There, three links to prove the obvious.Â*Â*:rolleyes:

ECW
08-14-2006, 06:25 AM
And not one that proves your bullshit assertion that Clinton did anything like you said. Three links that proved something to me alright.

Nathan Brazil
08-14-2006, 08:06 AM
And not one that proves your bullshit assertion that Clinton did anything like you said. Three links that proved something to me alright.


No, but I figured anyone needing proof that Clinton is a rapist, after living through the Clinton years, also needs proof that the sky is blue.

ECW
08-15-2006, 03:24 AM
Then we can whip the same tag on your heroes Reagan and Bush as well. No problem by me.

lily
08-15-2006, 03:29 AM
Do your own work, NB. If you make an assertion, back it up with proof. (I don't think you can.) Otherwise, it's just your opinion which holds no water here.


Okay.

Link One (http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/General/BlueSky/blue_sky.html)

Link Two (http://world.std.com/~mmcirvin/bluesky.html)

Link Three (http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/14.html)

There, three links to prove the obvious.Â*Â*:rolleyes:


Seriously....at least PAD provided a link...a weak link, but a link none the less.

So, let me see if I have this right........I have to provide the link to your allegation, post it, and debate my own post?

Trust me..........there are better things I can do by myself!

BoogyMan
08-15-2006, 04:15 AM
Wow, this thread has been completely hijacked.

lily
08-15-2006, 04:37 AM
That's how it goes sometimes.

Churchel
08-15-2006, 06:28 AM
I like wendys dollar chicken sandwiches, all white meat.

Editorails and articles are two different things. I think everyone here needs to remember that.