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Love America
08-12-2006, 12:37 AM
Many positive developments in Iraq
Mining Gazette, Michigan - August 02, 2006
Did you know there is a vast region of Iraq where no U.S. troops have been killed, enemy terrorist activity has been negligible, there are few U.S. troops deployed, it is safe for Westerners to walk the streets, new business investment is taking off and there is a stable, democratic government providing more than adequately for the regions security? The good — no, make that outstanding — news from Kurdistan is that life in the northern Iraqi region is well on the way to normalcy. It’s not your fault for not knowing. The relentlessly negative Western media have not told the Kurds’ story.
This is the same region whose people Saddam Hussein tried to wipe off the face of the Earth. His regime murdered some 200,000 Kurds with new-fangled chemical weapons and old-fashioned thuggery. After the first Gulf War and the debacle in which the first President Bush failed to provide protection against Saddam’s helicopter squadrons, the Kurds recovered and began to rebuild their society under cover of a U.S. and Coalition-enforced “no-fly zone.” But fear of Saddam’s regime still was a powerful dampening force.
When the U.S. invasion of Iraq came in 2003, Kurds joined with U.S. forces to topple Saddam. Today they tightly control their own regional border, mostly keeping out foreign terrorists who can more easily penetrate Iraq’s larger border and make their way to Baghdad to wreak havoc.
The rebuilding process in Kurdistan is going so well that some of the region’s leaders now are engaged in an economic development and “thank-you” tour of the United States.
The Kurds’ desire for complete independence is, of course, a well-known and tragic story. During the past century, they’ve found themselves under the often brutal rule of Turkey, Syria, Iran and Saddam’s Iraq. But they’ve made the pragmatic choice to participate in the new Iraqi government, because they are in a pretty rough corner of the globe.
Their formula for success is pretty simple: Secure their borders and keep out terrorists, push as many governance decisions to the local level as possible, and promote economic development.
Their message to the United States: Stay the course. Provide to Baghdad and other trouble spots the same security umbrella that made Kurdistan’s success over more than a decade possible. Secure borders, one province at a time, until foreign terrorists are swept out.
Don’t try to apply a TV-episode, video-game attention span to a security and rebuilding effort that will take years. It is good advice for success — from a region of Iraq where success seems to be occurring.
http://www.theotheriraq.com
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Mayberry
08-12-2006, 03:10 AM
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Oh my Lily, you might have offended someone with your pork reference.
You haven't seen their commercials?
http://www.theotheriraq.com/
Mayberry
08-12-2006, 03:32 AM
You haven't seen their commercials? No, I hadn't. Very interesting. Are the Kurds Islamic? Pardon my ignorance.
Alonzo
08-12-2006, 03:36 AM
You haven't seen their commercials? No, I hadn't. Very interesting. Are the Kurds Islamic? Pardon my ignorance.
The majority are Sunni. Though I'm not exactly suprised that that is your first question.
Mayberry
08-12-2006, 03:45 AM
The majority are Sunni. Thanks. Though I'm not exactly suprised that that is your first question. Bite me. Surprised?
Mayberry
08-12-2006, 03:48 AM
So, 'zo, you ridicule people for not knowing something, then you ridicule people for wishing to learn something. I can't think of anything else to say about that.
Alonzo
08-12-2006, 04:00 AM
No, I did no such thing. The comment was made because it appeared that the thought of them being muslim, yet living relativly peacefully, was suprising to you.
Mayberry
08-12-2006, 04:25 AM
The comment was made because it appeared that the thought of them being muslim, yet living relativly peacefully, was suprising to you Nope,'twas a legitimate question. Maybe you should lower yourself a notch on the ol' cynicism scale there 'zo.
dsanthony
08-12-2006, 04:28 AM
Don't get in the way of zo's self-righteousness. It's all the liberals have, and they get violent when you destroy their delusions.
Love America
08-12-2006, 10:12 PM
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Lily....did you actually look at the page....did you read any of it. It is kind of childish for you to compare our success in Iraq to pork commercials. Doesn't surprise me it would be to hard for you to see the good that has occurred in Iraq. It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
bobbylien
08-12-2006, 11:25 PM
I believe that the kurds should have their own country. Iraq should be divided into 3 parts. One for the sunnis, one for the shiites and one for the kurds.
I don't like either partys position on iraq, mainly because neither of them have a position. The democrats are so scared to give out a plan and the republicans just don't have a plan.
If you want to read a real plan for Iraq, take a look at this..
http://www.lp.org/ies.shtml Read the whole thing, please.
If the republicans or democrats have a laid out position on Iraq besides lay and die or cut and run please link me. I was very suprised to read that article and see no bashing of the republicans or the democrats, politics at its best.
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Lily....did you actually look at the page....did you read any of it.**It is kind of childish for you to compare our success in Iraq to pork commercials.**Doesn't surprise me it would be to hard for you to see the good that has occurred in Iraq.**It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
Huh? Love America.........it says it not only at the site.....but in the link!
http://www.theotheriraq.com
bobbylien
08-12-2006, 11:45 PM
It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
:D :rolleyes:
This forum is always good for a laugh!
Love America
08-12-2006, 11:53 PM
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Lily....did you actually look at the page....did you read any of it.**It is kind of childish for you to compare our success in Iraq to pork commercials.**Doesn't surprise me it would be to hard for you to see the good that has occurred in Iraq.**It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
Huh? Love America.........it says it not only at the site.....but in the link!
http://www.theotheriraq.com
If that is the name of the site why repeat it....we can see right through you.
Love America
08-12-2006, 11:54 PM
It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
:D :rolleyes:
This forum is always good for a laugh!
Nothing of substance to say....what a surprise
I believe that the kurds should have their own country. Iraq should be divided into 3 parts. One for the sunnis, one for the shiites and one for the kurds.
I don't like either partys position on iraq, mainly because neither of them have a position. The democrats are so scared to give out a plan and the republicans just don't have a plan.
If you want to read a real plan for Iraq, take a look at this..
http://www.lp.org/ies.shtml Read the whole thing, please.
If the republicans or democrats have a laid out position on Iraq besides lay and die or cut and run please link me. I was very suprised to read that article and see no bashing of the republicans or the democrats, politics at its best.
I believe that the kurds should have their own country. Iraq should be divided into 3 parts. One for the sunnis, one for the shiites and one for the kurds.
.....and we will have Israel/Lebonon/Palestine all over again.
While I agree with most of the exit strategy, I do have a couple of comments. The gradual withdrawl and moving to nearby countries, was originally Murtha's idea. After blasting him, it seems all parties now just take his plan and alter it to suit them. I also don't see what giving them a year to build an army is going to do........they've had three years already! But hey.......if that gets us out......I'm all for it.
I have to say Colonel Hughes plan of if the Americans leave terrorists would consider surrendering, with major political concessions given to the Sunnis is just a theory. I don't think it's a given.
The Direct aid program for rebuilding.......I'm shaking my head at this......it sounds so good.......if only we haven't already given Halliburton billions and they already screwed us over, I'd be willing to believe giving the money to the Iraqi government and having an independent review every six months would work.
My firm belief is that Iraqis should have been doing this themselves all along, instead of hiring foreigners to do it. Building an army is all fine and dandy.........but not everyone is army material. If Iraqis were re-building instead of being out of jobs and seeing others do what they can do themselves, I don't think the insurgency would be this big and they would have pride in their country.
Kurdistan..........the other Iraq.
Lily....did you actually look at the page....did you read any of it.**It is kind of childish for you to compare our success in Iraq to pork commercials.**Doesn't surprise me it would be to hard for you to see the good that has occurred in Iraq.**It doesn't fit in with your Anit-war stance, so you just make jokes and dismiss these event changing facts.
Huh? Love America.........it says it not only at the site.....but in the link!
http://www.theotheriraq.com
If that is the name of the site why repeat it....we can see right through you.
Let em see if I have this right.........you're slamming me, for saying the name of the site????? I don't think it's me that didn't look at the link that YOU provided........if it makes you feel better not admitting your mistake and saying I'm childish, for**actually going to the site AND seeing the commercials........go for it.**I daresay, it's not me that's being childish.
You have a nice day now.:D
Rider
08-13-2006, 03:56 PM
It's not just Kurdistan. Vast areas of the South are very peaceful and although they would like the US to leave eventually, the overwhelming majority know we need to stay until the new government can handle security for the nation.
Love America
08-17-2006, 12:05 AM
Let em see if I have this right.........you're slamming me, for saying the name of the site????? I don't think it's me that didn't look at the link that YOU provided........if it makes you feel better not admitting your mistake and saying I'm childish, for actually going to the site AND seeing the commercials........go for it. I daresay, it's not me that's being childish.
You have a nice day now.
I did watch all of the videos....your not fooling anyone Lily. We've all seen your rhetoric on the threads, and it is obvious that you will attack the war in Iraq, President Bush anything that is not in favor of your liberal views. You never have anything to back up your claims as with most liberals, and you always manage to change the topic and turn it into something that detracts from the original point. You obviously don't try to debate issues, you'd rather poke fun and try to insult others. Your attempts at debate are pathetic as usual, but I guess it is hard to debate things when you only use opinions and not facts. Quit wasting my time, no one needs you to spell out the previous post. If you have something to say then debate it, but don't go and repeat what I've just said to mock it. It is offensive on so many levels, but then again what should I expect from someone of your makeup.
Have you taken you meds today? Please keep in mind, that the dosage is not a suggestion!
You do realize that you're still complaing about a post I made...... Kurdistan..........the other Iraq. Which is the site name of the link you posted.....unless you were not aware of the link you posted, thinking it was a link to the article you posted? Could that be the problem? I'm trying to help you........which one is it?
......as for the rest of you up-chuck. Have you reported the person who is holding a gun to your head, forcing you to not only read my posts, but to respond to them?
Rider
08-17-2006, 02:41 PM
It appears that what is developing in the middle east now may well make this discussion moot. Some serious analysts are predicting major attacks by Iran in the very near future, possibly the 22nd of this month.
Their theory is that Iran's president sees himself as the key player in bringing about the Islamic armageddon. It seems to me that patience would be a better course of action for Iran, but we're dealing with a madman.
Yes we are.........and some of us don't think he's in Iran. :P
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