Obama 54%, Clinton 28%...Yowzah!

[Buck Laser]

The latest reports I've heard from South Carolina show Senator Obama taking in excess of 50% of the white vote in that state. Considering the large turnouts in every state that's held a caucus or a primary, I'd say that things look very good for the democrats. Republicans always pray for rain on election days so the smaller turnouts will give them a better chance But rain or shine, it looks as if this will be the year we elect our first minority president.

Kinda makes me wish CWN were still around, just to hear him splutter.:ecstatic:

[Cobra]

Didn't Jessie Jackson also win S.C when he ran. Super tue. will really show where things stand.

Frist woman president would be even better.

[Mia]

I want EDWARDS. We can have a woman or a minority when a good one comes along. Damn, he didn't do well in his own home state? I haven't even turned on the news today.

[Buck Laser]

Didn't Jessie Jackson also win S.C when he ran. Super tue. will really show where things stand.

Frist woman president would be even better.

Yes, but Obama also won a majority of the white vote.

[Cobra]

True, she'll win if she can take california I'm thinking. Big state, lots of delegates.

[PostmodernProphet]

True, she'll win if she can take california I'm thinking. Big state, lots of delegates.


that would certainly be a foolish move for Democrats.....any Democrat could win California for them.....they should look for a candidate that will win places like Florida or Texas for them.....

[lily]

Obama taking in excess of 50% of the white vote in that state.

I can just hear Bill whining and making excuses tonight and tomorrow.

Kinda makes me wish CWN were still around, just to hear him splutter.:ecstatic:

Now come on, Buck........you know he wouldn't be complaining because he was black.......he'd be complaining because he's Muslim.:lmao:

[Cobra]

True but I was just talking for the primaries. I don't know if hillary could win many red states if any, Obama might. Illionios will go for him.

[Mia]

Edwards has the best chance in red states!

[Cobra]

Edwards isn't going to survive the primaries and I doubt he could win against any of the repubs.

[lily]

You know, Mia......as much as I want Edwards to win, I think after coming in 3rd this many times, he's going to run out of money. If he lasts until Super Tuesday I'll be surprised.........which really is a sin, since it's still so early, but with all they hype and as early as things started, it seems like it's over before it even has a chance to begin.

[Buck Laser]

I like Edwards, too. But what I'm seeing here with Obama is a vindication the feeling I had when he spoke in Austin last February. The man has the talent, drive and integrity to lead us, and lead us well. His speech tonight was clearly one of reaching out to everyone, including republicans.

And he has an issue that nearly everyone can agree with him on--the ridiculous power the lobbies wield on what happens--or doesn't--in Washington. On other forums I post on, I've seen a couple of staunch republicans say positive things about him. And after the divisiveness we've had for so much of my life, I'm ready for this kind of change.

[tony mitra]

If I read the numbers right, Obama did not win majority of the white votes, but might have come close to Clinton/Edwards on that. He, however, did well with Whites under 30, and Whites with income over 50 grand. And he had overwhelming support from the Blacks, who constituted a majority of the voters this time around.

Nonetheless, I'd congratulate him. He seems to be able to aggregate voters better than the opposition. For a mixed race man (he is not a true black or a true white in my book, and I don't know why Americans keep calling him Black), this is an unheard of incidence in American politics.

[Elrathin]

You know, Mia......as much as I want Edwards to win, I think after coming in 3rd this many times, he's going to run out of money.


You're missing the obvious point of Edwards, he wants to get the VP nominee from whomever wins.

[Buck Laser]

You know, Mia......as much as I want Edwards to win, I think after coming in 3rd this many times, he's going to run out of money.


You're missing the obvious point of Edwards, he wants to get the VP nominee from whomever wins.

I'm not sure Edwards would really want the vice presidential nomination. I'd see him as an attorney general in an Obama presidency. But running for VP a second time just doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea. But who knows?

[lily]

Either way, whoever he and Richardson endorses is going to help that candidate a lot and then they will "owe" them something.....at least I hope, since both would be an asset.

[Elrathin]

I'm not sure Edwards would really want the vice presidential nomination. I'd see him as an attorney general in an Obama presidency. But running for VP a second time just doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea. But who knows?


I'm telling you this guy is in it for the spot, whether Pres or VP. Watch it and then call me on it, cause I know I am bringing this post as a prediction he will take the VP again.

[Cobra]

If Hillary wins she wont take him on as vp. I'm guessing richardson will be vp if she takes it.

[lily]

Nah.......me and someone else here, I can't remember who decided Richardson would be better suited and his diplomatic talents put to better use as Secretary of State.

[Cobra]

Hmmmmm, didn't think of that, might be what he's after instead. Wonder what position Bill will hold if Hillary becomes president.

[AlanC]

Obama did not garner more that 50% of the white vote in this primary. Half the voters were black and he got some 80% of their vote.

I believe Obama got around 30% of the white vote or there abouts.

But even so, Hillary was horrible at 27%. She was hurt a great deal by Bill in this one. Edwards is done for all practicle purposes unless he can surprise and actually win a state or two on the 5th.

[Cobra]

He'll hafta get more of the white vote to take many other states and the hispanic vote in the west which prolly ain't gona happen.

[lily]

Hmmmmm, didn't think of that, might be what he's after instead. Wonder what position Bill will hold if Hillary becomes president.


She already said she was going to make a special title for him. Ambassador of Goodwill or something like that, to try and get our good name back. He does have connections and a silver tounge.....also some pundit (again can't remember who) said no one wants Bill hanging around the White House with nothing to do!!!:lmao:

[Drocket]

There's a few things that strike me about this: the first is that Clinton is running a terrible campaign. That really amazes me because what I'm certain is an extremely solid and almost-guaranteed-to-win strategy is, to me, pretty obvious (quick summary: praise Obama to high heaven, but point out his inexperience. Invoke the 1992 "Its the economy, stupid" and point out point out that Clinton(s) has the experience and connections to redo what they did in the 90's. Official campaign slogan: It takes a Clinton to clean up after a Bush. Say they look forward to handing over a deficit-free and economically-sound country to the now-ready Obama in 2016.) People say that Clinton acts too much like a politician, but that doesn't bother me: being a politician isn't actually a bad thing. The problem is that she's acting like a BAD politician...

Second thing, I think Edward's fate will be decided on good old Super Tuesday. No way he's going to win enough states to be the winner of the primary, of course, but if he wins even one or two states, he's going to have enough delegates to act as a kingmaker between Obama and Clinton. In that case, I think we can pretty safely assume we'll be looking at an Obama/Edwards ticket, as Obama can and almost certainly will trade the VP slot for the delegates.

Third thing, the number of primary voters very much hint at doom for the Republicans in November. The number of Republican primary voters is way, way, way down in SC. and way, way, way up for the Democrats. This in a state where Republicans massively outnumber Democrats, and always outvote them. This is a trend that's continued from every other primary state so far. Republican voters are highly demoralized, while Democrats are energized. I think its a pretty safe prediction that the winner of the Democratic primary is the next president. The November election will essentially be a technicality.

[Mia]

It looks like I'm going to have to stand corrected for the first time in predicting an election in a long time.

Clinton is being a moron. She came in so arrogant, I think she wasn't prepared for real opposition and is taking the low road in retaliation. She can't seem to see how it's back-firing.

All she's done is make Obama look better to me, and I wasn't a fan!

Stupid. I'm also becoming convinced that she is too establishment. I may turn into a Ron Paul supporter if I can't have Edwards. I know I couldn't have Ron Paul either, but if I'm going to 'lose' I may as well cast a vote against the same old, same old in general.

[ViolaLee]

Mia, listen to a few Obama speeches and you'll become a fan, I promise. He isn't that far away from Edwards in policy issues.


Didn't Jessie Jackson also win S.C when he ran. Super tue. will really show where things stand.

Frist woman president would be even better.
Is that why you have a noose as your avatar? That's pretty offensive dude.


I'm not sure Edwards would really want the vice presidential nomination. I'd see him as an attorney general in an Obama presidency. But running for VP a second time just doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea. But who knows?
Wow what a great thing that would be, Edwards as the AG. What a difference from what we have now.


Nah.......me and someone else here, I can't remember who decided Richardson would be better suited and his diplomatic talents put to better use as Secretary of State.
Wow again, I can't wait see the next cabinet. It's going to so fantastic compared to what we have now.

How about Dodd and Biden in there somewhere?


She already said she was going to make a special title for him. Ambassador of Goodwill or something like that, to try and get our good name back. He does have connections and a silver tounge.....also some pundit (again can't remember who) said no one wants Bill hanging around the White House with nothing to do!!!:lmao:

That was Mitt Romney who said that in the last debate. Classy huh?

[Mia]

I thought you'd like that, ViolaLee :-). I'm still not voting for him, but his integrity was only increased by Hillary's attacks. I just don't think he has what it takes, even though I do 'like him' from his speeches. I just don't 'like him' for the POTUS. At least not now. Maybe in 4 or 8 years.

Edwards is still my guy!

[ViolaLee]

Then you should definitely vote for Edwards :) I think he'd make a great President too. I will vote for any of the three, whoever is the candidate in November, will you as well?[hr]Mia, listen to the speech he made tonight. This guy's got what it takes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVAPH_EcmQ

[Mia]

I don't know - I bet I will start to seem all over the map soon. Democrats,,,,,,,,in the lesser of two evils, I tend to pick their brand of evil. But you know, I focus on different aspects and start to waver sometimes. Socialism, bigger government,,,,,groan, I do not want that!

There is never a candidate for me I can 100% get behind.

BTW, I meant to explain that Hillary's attacks didn't raise Obama's integrity in and of themselves, I meant his response to them. He seems to be able to remember word for word exactly what he actually said as opposed to what she says he did. And that backfires on her, because I like what he actually did/said, lol! She's giving him free campaign material!

Right now, I think if I don't get Edwards, I will vote for Ron Paul. If nothing else, the man is going to consistently go with our constitution, and to me it's hard to go wrong that way!

[PostmodernProphet]

Invoke the 1992 "Its the economy, stupid" and point out point out that Clinton(s) has the experience and connections to redo what they did in the 90's.

a major problem with that strategy is that the Clintons had nothing to do with what happened economically in the 90s........[hr]Edwards has no chance as VP.....

I heard it from some commentator on the news last night....."whatever else happens after the SC vote, it is now "mandatory" that if Hillary gets the nomination she choose Obama as her running mate if she wants the black vote"........makes good sense to me.....

and if Obama gets the nomination he needs to pick someone who will offset his perceived inexperience (ala Cheney for Bush)......that means at least Richardson......if not someone like Lieberman....[hr]{test} oh, I like that.....it automatically adds new posts to your last one if no one else has posted since?

[Cobra]

Is that why you have a noose as your avatar? That's pretty offensive dude.
It's meant to be. There's no free speech/expression without being able to use controversial images and stand for controversial opinions.

[preservanation]

Didn't Jessie Jackson also win S.C when he ran. Super tue. will really show where things stand.


Is that why you have a noose as your avatar? That's pretty offensive dude. VL...Cobra is just quoting Bill Clinton, the first black president.
Sorry.January 26, 2008 8:18 PM

Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

This was in response to a question about it taking "two people to beat" Obama. Jackson had not been mentioned.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bubba-obama-is.html

I maintain that it the Dems who put people in groups and assign them status, not Conservative.
After playing a muted role in the earlier contests, the issue of race dominated an incendiary week that included a shift in strategy for Obama, a remarkably bitter debate and fresh scrutiny of former President Clinton's role in his wife's campaign.

Each side accused the other of playing the race card, sparking a controversy that frequently involved Bill Clinton.

"They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender. That's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here," the former president said at one stop as he campaigned for his wife, strongly suggesting that blacks would not support a white alternative to Obama.

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080127/D8UDUJJ80.html

The Clintons are obviously going to use the issue of race and sex to their advantage. Once they win, they will try to go back and undo the damage. This time it might not be possible, if they expose their age old tactic of dividing people to achieve their aims to enough of the electorate, they very well might reject them altogether. One can only keep the mask off for so long without people remembering what your true face looks like.
Obama is not a product of the lib plantation mentality, so their power over him is nill.
This scares not only white Libs but the old black guard in the Dem party as well.
This is going to get extremely ugly very soon, and that ugliness will be coming from Clinton Inc and their minority surrogates who just want to keep their seat at the table in the main house on the Democrat plantation.

[bishop]

personally, i think that republicans are secretly hoping that hillary wins the nomination. there is no other candidate in the race who is more polarizing and divisive as she is. few people haven't already made their minds up on her imo. obama on the other hand, is a newcomer, and someone who could be capable of swaying independents.

i don't know a single woman in my family, be they mothers/in-laws, etc., who wants hillary to be president - and they are all people who typically vote democrat.

i'd personally vote for any republican should she win the nomination.

[preservanation]

personally, i think that republicans are secretly hoping that hillary wins the nomination. there is no other candidate in the race who is more polarizing and divisive as she is.
You are right-on, bishop.
But, believe me, there is nothing secret about it![hr]I have spent much time and energy demonizing her...I want people to remember it come the general.
Conservatives will walk over broken glass to vote against Hillary, even if McCain gets the GOP nomination.[hr]IMO, Clinton has the DNC nomination in the bag, so I'm not too worried.

[bishop]

please quit this "conservative" b.s... at least give a solid definition of the term. big government, endless wars & ties to foreign governments, massive deficits, etc, are not examples of what i see as conservatism - yet, the republican's establishment politicians all support such policies.

and, out of the establishment candidates, i'd rather see mccain above romney or huckabee. at least his voting record supports fiscal conservatism to the degree where he could actually be counted on to veto wasteful spending bills (something that the "conservative" bush never did).

[micfranklin]

Woooooooo!!

Clinton just got owned in the south big time.

[Buck Laser]

Obama did not garner more that 50% of the white vote in this primary. Half the voters were black and he got some 80% of their vote.

I believe Obama got around 30% of the white vote or there abouts.

But even so, Hillary was horrible at 27%. She was hurt a great deal by Bill in this one. Edwards is done for all practicle purposes unless he can surprise and actually win a state or two on the 5th.

Yeah, I was wrong about Obama getting 50% of the white vote. I think he did get 50% of the young, highly educated white vote--still an impressive showing. I think Obama has already pretty well erased views of him as a "black candidate." From now on, it's gonna be a candidate who happens to be black.

[preservanation]

please quit this "conservative" b.s... at least give a solid definition of the term. big government, endless wars & ties to foreign governments, massive deficits, etc, are not examples of what i see as conservatism - yet, the republican's establishment politicians all support such policies.

and, out of the establishment candidates, i'd rather see mccain above romney or huckabee. at least his voting record supports fiscal conservatism to the degree where he could actually be counted on to veto wasteful spending bills (something that the "conservative" bush never did).
You don't spend enough time paying attention to my ideology or even reading my last post for me to bother.
Carry on.

[tony mitra]

If I had the right to vote and the choice to place 1st preference, 2nd preference etc, I'd vote this way:

1. Al Gore
2. Ron Paul
3. Kucinich
4. Barak Obama
5. Dalai Lama
6. Lee Iaccocca
7. Nicholas Sarkozy

Umm, err, OK, Al Gore, Dalai Lama, Lee Iaccocca are not or cannot be in the race. Same for Sarkozy, but I thought a French Man running USA might be kinda cute!

:)

[Pookie]

Way to go, Obama! Hope he knocks Hillary back to New York.
Purrs,
Pookie

[micfranklin]

I foresee a very, very close match between Obama and Clinton come Super Tuesday.

[AlanC]

Obama did not garner more that 50% of the white vote in this primary. Half the voters were black and he got some 80% of their vote.

I believe Obama got around 30% of the white vote or there abouts.

But even so, Hillary was horrible at 27%. She was hurt a great deal by Bill in this one. Edwards is done for all practicle purposes unless he can surprise and actually win a state or two on the 5th.

Yeah, I was wrong about Obama getting 50% of the white vote. I think he did get 50% of the young, highly educated white vote--still an impressive showing. I think Obama has already pretty well erased views of him as a "black candidate." From now on, it's gonna be a candidate who happens to be black.


I agree with that. But someone needs to tell Bill to stay out of the race. It has to make you wonder who wants back in the white house more, her or him.

[Buck Laser]

Obama did not garner more that 50% of the white vote in this primary. Half the voters were black and he got some 80% of their vote.

I believe Obama got around 30% of the white vote or there abouts.

But even so, Hillary was horrible at 27%. She was hurt a great deal by Bill in this one. Edwards is done for all practicle purposes unless he can surprise and actually win a state or two on the 5th.

Yeah, I was wrong about Obama getting 50% of the white vote. I think he did get 50% of the young, highly educated white vote--still an impressive showing. I think Obama has already pretty well erased views of him as a "black candidate." From now on, it's gonna be a candidate who happens to be black.


I agree with that. But someone needs to tell Bill to stay out of the race. It has to make you wonder who wants back in the white house more, her or him.


Yes. I think Bill went way too far. This is one of the few times I think the pundits have it right about Bill. I've always liked him, even if his actual political philosophy was too far to the right to suit me. But in this particular instance, I think I should thank him for giving my candidate a boost he needed.

[preservanation]

Love drove Bill over campaign line: Clinton

Jan 27 04:29 PM US/Eastern

Hillary Clinton admitted Sunday her husband Bill's hard-charging campaign tactics had gone overboard, but chalked the ex-president's fiery broadsides up to love and a chronic lack of sleep.
A day after rival Barack Obama trounced her in the South Carolina primary, the former first lady also mounted a vigorous defense of the two Clinton White House terms, which Obama has said did not spark transformational change.

Clinton was asked on CBS television's "Face the Nation" whether her husband was "out of control" after he took the Illinois senator, and the media to task, during a foul-tempered week-long campaign.

"You know, my husband has such a great commitment to me and to my campaign," the New York senator said.We all see how well that worked out for her campaign.

"He loves me just like, you know, husbands and wives get out there and work on each others' behalf."Just like normal people?

She blamed the tensions of the tight battle for the party's presidential nomination

"Maybe he got a little carried away. You know, that comes with a hard-fought election," she said.

"It also comes with sleep deprivation which, you know, I think is marking all of us, our families, our supporters," said Clinton, who herself is running low on sleep, as she jets back-and-forth across the country.

Clinton said her husband would remain a premier member of her campaign team as she heads into 22 critical nominating contests on "Super Tuesday" February 5, though it was unsure if the ex-president's campaign style would change.

Exit polls in South Carolina suggested that some undecided voters may have bolted to Obama after the former president's interventions, and claims he had deliberately raised the specter of race. May have...?


Later, she told reporters that she and her husband had dedicated their lives to "giving voice to the voiceless, empowering the disempowered" and in a shot at Obama, who the Clinton camp portrays as a 'talker, not a doer' said, "we did not just talk about it. We have done it."

Clinton also portrayed her husband as a historic figure of inclusion, who united Americans, despite assessments by some historians that his White House tenure was a time of hyper-partisanship and boiling political anger.

"I am just proud of what my husband has done over the course of his very productive and positive career in public life," she said, but insisted her campaign was not part of a Clinton restoration.

"It is my candidacy, I am the one asking the people of America to support me. I believe I stand on my own merits."

Earlier this week Obama's campaign and Democratic party figures said it was inappropriate for a former commander-in-chief to engage in harsh attacks against a fellow Democrat.

"I think it's not presidential, it's not in keeping with the image of a former president, and I'm frankly surprised that he is taking this approach," said former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle, who has endorsed Obama.

And in an interview with a Nevada editorial board, which the Clinton campaign has pounced upon to hammer Obama, the Illinois senator downplayed the achievements of the Clinton administration saying he had not been a "transformational president."

In his victory speech, on Saturday, Obama branded the Clintons as a discredited relic of a politics of division.

"That status quo is fighting back with everything it's got, with the same old tactics that divide and distract us from solving the problems people face," said Obama. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080127212859.9jtv8b64&show_article=1

[ViolaLee]

The more I see Hillary and Bill, the more I don't like them. I restrain myself from saying anything, because if they are the candidate, and yes, they will co-President, I'm sure, I'll have to suck it up and vote for them. But I really don't want that to happen.

[Mia]

Is that why you have a noose as your avatar? That's pretty offensive dude.
It's meant to be. There's no free speech/expression without being able to use controversial images and stand for controversial opinions.


Quite true. I might take a rebel flag as my avatar just for that reason.[hr]


i'd personally vote for any republican should she win the nomination.


You would anyway, though, wouldn't you? Or are you saying you'd vote for Edwards or Obama if they were to achieve it?

[lily]

I heard it from some commentator on the news last night....."whatever else happens after the SC vote, it is now "mandatory" that if Hillary gets the nomination she choose Obama as her running mate if she wants the black vote"........makes good sense to me.....

Never happen.........she's too proud for that and people aren't going to forget the things she said.

[Mia]

I heard it from some commentator on the news last night....."whatever else happens after the SC vote, it is now "mandatory" that if Hillary gets the nomination she choose Obama as her running mate if she wants the black vote"........makes good sense to me.....

Never happen.........she's too proud for that and people aren't going to forget the things she said.


I agree - she'd ask Edwards. She can't choose Obama after she attacked him the way she did, and I totally disagree it would be needed for the black vote.

[PostmodernProphet]

I heard it from some commentator on the news last night....."whatever else happens after the SC vote, it is now "mandatory" that if Hillary gets the nomination she choose Obama as her running mate if she wants the black vote"........makes good sense to me.....

Never happen.........she's too proud for that and people aren't going to forget the things she said.


lol, Lily....she's still married to Bill......don't tell me she is too proud, she would eat shit if it guaranteed her election.....

[lily]

I agree - she'd ask Edwards. She can't choose Obama after she attacked him the way she did, and I totally disagree it would be needed for the black vote.


I think Edwards is leaning towards Obama, just because some of their ideas are the same. Wouldn't it be a hoot if she took a page out of Bush's playbook and took people from Bill's cabinet, like he did with his father?

Can you just imagine her and Madeleine Albright on the same ticket?:lmao:

[PostmodernProphet]

Can you just imagine her and Madeleine Albright on the same ticket?

lol, nothing would make me and every Republican in the world happier.....the only choice worse would be Reno.....

[Buck Laser]

Can you just imagine her and Madeleine Albright on the same ticket?

lol, nothing would make me and every Republican in the world happier.....the only choice worse would be Reno.....

Uh...are you telling me that you think Ashcroft and Gone-zales were better AGs than Reno?

[PostmodernProphet]

Uh...are you telling me that you think Ashcroft and Gone-zales were better AGs than Reno?



I will go even further....in those times when the post was vacant, the AG was better than Reno......

[preservanation]

Reno was directly responsible for murders in the Ruby Ridge incident and the storming of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, where hundreds of men women and children were slaughtered. She spearheaded the snatch and grab operation which returned an innocent 5 yr old named Elian Gonzales to Castro's Communist Cuba against all reason.

Reno was instrumental in erecting the Gorelic wall which some argue directly led to the terrorist's ability to attack us on 911.

In 1997 Reno blocked any action against Hamas' Holy Land Foundation.

I can go on and on...
Glad you brought it up, Buck?

The House voted in 1998 to hold Reno in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over Justice Department memos subpoenaed when she refused to appoint an independent counsel to investigate campaign fund-raising abuses by the Clintons and Al Gore.

Reno famously said, "I simply have to draw the line and stand for what I believe to be a very important principle: Prosecutions in America must be free of political influence."

Unbelievable!
How times and political considerations have changed that attitude of the left, Eh?

[bishop]

You would anyway, though, wouldn't you? Or are you saying you'd vote for Edwards or Obama if they were to achieve it?

i wouldn't vote for any democrat.. the key distinction, though, is that i would vote against hillary. not sure if either edwards or obama could motivate me to do the same.

at this point, though, edwards doesn't stand a chance.

[preservanation]

The Clintons are going to "Rezzco", this MAN?????
It's going to expose the entire Dem political party for who and what they they are.

[NortheastCynic]

Buck, as Preserv stated, Reno has the blood of several Americans are her hands. Read the book, Constitutional Chaos by Andrew Napolitano, in it he details several other incredible, immoral and illegal acts performed by that [alleged] woman. Gonzo and Ashcroft were awful, but Reno is among the all-time worst.

-NC

[Buck Laser]

Buck, as Preserv stated, Reno has the blood of several Americans are her hands. Read the book, Constitutional Chaos by Andrew Napolitano, in it he details several other incredible, immoral and illegal acts performed by that [alleged] woman. Gonzo and Ashcroft were awful, but Reno is among the all-time worst.

-NC

I am not as judgmental about Reno's behavior in the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents, nor in the case of the young Cuban boy being returned to his father. Unfortunately, like the Terri Schiavo case, these incidents have been used by people who have special kinds of axes to grind.

I'd like to read something about attitudes within the justice department itself during the Reno era. Since most of the staffers are career people, I'd expect them to have pretty rational views of what is and isn't proper procedure.