I am surprised there are no Scientology threads...

[AnnEsthesia]

Has anyone seen this? It is freaky. Watch all of it, as it really does get creepier as it goes along.

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

[lily]

I don't think he's any crazier or saner than any other religious nut.

[Keith Hamburger]

I don't think he's any crazier or saner than any other religious nut.


You mean like Romney that won Nevada because he got 90% of the Mormon vote that accounted for over 40% of his vote total?

Voting along party lines is one thing, voting along religious lines is just plain scary.

Keith

[AnnEsthesia]

Um... yes he is. He is certifiable. Just look at his eyes in that! And the whole 'when I drive past an accident, I have to help because I am the only one that can do something' (paraphrased) is just creepy. Some people on a few blogs are saying he has all the makings of the anti-christ.

[Alonzo]

OMG! A religion makes people want to help others! They should teach their followers to ignore those in need like the rest of us do.

[Keith Hamburger]

OMG! A religion makes people want to help others! They should teach their followers to ignore those in need like the rest of us do.


You obviously don't get it.

If 90% of Catholics voted for Mother Theresa for president, just because she was Catholic, that would be scary.

If we could find anything that made it clear that they were voting for her because of her positions and policies, it might be different.

I think there is a clear parallel here.

Keith

[AnnEsthesia]

lol. Zo. Holy overreaction. No, he is not saying one should stop and help. He is saying that a Scientologist is the ONLY ONE who can help. As in, since they can change reality (prarphrased), they can help in any situation. Somehow I think a paramedic, fire fighter or Dr. would be the person to help in an accident, not some schmuck actor with a god complex. ;)

[Alonzo]

You obviously don't get it.

If 90% of Catholics voted for Mother Theresa for president, just because she was Catholic, that would be scary.

If we could find anything that made it clear that they were voting for her because of her positions and policies, it might be different.

I think there is a clear parallel here.

What I saw earlier was that Romney won Nevada even without the Mormon vote. The Mormon vote simply padded his margin of victory.

Besides, I'm not sure what Romney had to do with Scientology.

[AnnEsthesia]

I think it was the religious zealot comment, but I am not sure.

[ViolaLee]

It was a comparison of two wacky religions alonzo.

And about Romney and the vote - he won because the Mormons came out to caucus in high numbers. That won't get him the win in the general election because more people vote than caucus.

[Alonzo]

lol. Zo. Holy overreaction. No, he is not saying one should stop and help. He is saying that a Scientologist is the ONLY ONE who can help. As in, since they can change reality (prarphrased), they can help in any situation. Somehow I think a paramedic, fire fighter or Dr. would be the person to help in an accident, not some schmuck actor with a god complex. ;)


The video is choppy and who knows of the context. Besides if someone is happy and wants to help others, I don't really see the problem. I see a bigger problem with those who condemn them.

[Alonzo]

Viola, mormons are about 25% of the state. Romney won by 37%. They weren't the reason he won.

[AnnEsthesia]

lol Zo. Maybe I should go and have my Thetan checked. Perhaps it is low on energy. ;)

[Alonzo]

Damn was I wrong, they're not even close to a quarter, mormons are only 12%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada#Demographics

So do you really want to argue that 12% of the population caused Romney to win by 37%?

lol Zo. Maybe I should go and have my Thetan checked. Perhaps it is low on energy.

If you want to then I'm all for it.

[AnnEsthesia]

heh. No thanks. I would rather not join that cult. I am waiting for the one that has a compound in a tropical climate to crop up. THAT would be worth joining. :)

[Mark L Hamburger]

Damn was I wrong, they're not even close to a quarter, mormons are only 12%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada#Demographics

So do you really want to argue that 12% of the population caused Romney to win by 37%?



So, considering that 12% out of 100% of the state is mormon, means that only 12% of the votes could have been from mormons?

How about the fact that the polls say that 26% of the people that voted were mormon, and 95% of those voted for Romney? It seems to me like mormons got off their keisters and had an extremely high turnout just to vote for him...

It's not a full 37%, but I'm sure it made an impact.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NVREP

[lily]

If Tom Cruise was running for president, then I'd be worried....but then I'd also be worried of a snake handling Pentacostal was running for president.

I care about as much what he believes in as I do what the latest drug Brittany is using..........it's his business.

As for Mormans vs. Scientology......I don't get the comparison....but then maybe I'm a little slow tonight.

[AnnEsthesia]

lol. Wow, ya'll are no fun. Sheesh. Nevermind then. I thought it was hysterically funny and really bizarre. Thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss. But since it is 'religious', then ya'll are going to be wet blankets. I should have known not to bother.

[Keith Hamburger]

It was a comparison of two wacky religions alonzo.

And about Romney and the vote - he won because the Mormons came out to caucus in high numbers. That won't get him the win in the general election because more people vote than caucus.


Picture the options. Romney-Clinton. Romney-Obama. McCain-Clinton. McCain-Obama. Huckabee-Clinton. Huckabee-Obama.

There is not a one of those options where the Democrat doesn't win, unless something drastic happens between now and the general election.

Given the way things are heading, we will have a Democrat for our next president.

Keith

[Alonzo]

Damn was I wrong, they're not even close to a quarter, mormons are only 12%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada#Demographics

So do you really want to argue that 12% of the population caused Romney to win by 37%?



So, considering that 12% out of 100% of the state is mormon, means that only 12% of the votes could have been from mormons?

How about the fact that the polls say that 26% of the people that voted were mormon, and 95% of those voted for Romney? It seems to me like mormons got off their keisters and had an extremely high turnout just to vote for him...

It's not a full 37%, but I'm sure it made an impact.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NVREP


Which is what I said originally:

What I saw earlier was that Romney won Nevada even without the Mormon vote. The Mormon vote simply padded his margin of victory.

[Alonzo]

lol. Wow, ya'll are no fun. Sheesh. Nevermind then. I thought it was hysterically funny and really bizarre. Thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss. But since it is 'religious', then ya'll are going to be wet blankets. I should have known not to bother.


I've never agreed with the notion that some religions were acceptable to ridicule. It seems like a lot of people agree with that, except that they make exceptions for all the religions they don't like. Scientology seems to be one of the most common exceptions.

[Keith Hamburger]

Damn was I wrong, they're not even close to a quarter, mormons are only 12%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada#Demographics

So do you really want to argue that 12% of the population caused Romney to win by 37%?


So, considering that 12% out of 100% of the state is mormon, means that only 12% of the votes could have been from mormons?

How about the fact that the polls say that 26% of the people that voted were mormon, and 95% of those voted for Romney? It seems to me like mormons got off their keisters and had an extremely high turnout just to vote for him...

It's not a full 37%, but I'm sure it made an impact.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NVREP


Which is what I said originally:

What I saw earlier was that Romney won Nevada even without the Mormon vote. The Mormon vote simply padded his margin of victory.


So, you deleted the part that said that 26% of the voters in the primary were Mormon.

So. 26% of the voters were Mormon, and 90% of them voted for Romney. That means that 23% of the voters in the primary voted for Romney because they were Mormon.

That means that Romney got 14% of the voters that weren't Mormon that voted in the primary.

Since 10% of the voters in the primary that WERE Mormon voted for someone else, let's give the liberal assumption that they voted for the next two candidates evenly. That would mean that 3% of the voters were Mormons and they voted for Paul and McCain. So, let's delete the Mormon vote from Paul and McCain.

That would leave Paul with 11% and McCain with 10%.

Discounting the Mormons that voted for Romney, apparently because he's Mormon, Paul came in a close second to Romney, and, relatively, McCain came in a distant third..

Keith

[underdawg]

It seems like scientology attracts those with overblown egos, takes their money, and makes them feel like they are special and important.

[Keith Hamburger]

lol. Wow, ya'll are no fun. Sheesh. Nevermind then. I thought it was hysterically funny and really bizarre. Thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss. But since it is 'religious', then ya'll are going to be wet blankets. I should have known not to bother.


I've never agreed with the notion that some religions were acceptable to ridicule. It seems like a lot of people agree with that, except that they make exceptions for all the religions they don't like. Scientology seems to be one of the most common exceptions.


Honestly, I don't ridicule any religion. I don't believe in any of them, and I have little respect for many of their beliefs, but I don't ridicule any personal belief that brings anyone structure or comfort.

Keith

[Alonzo]

Damn was I wrong, they're not even close to a quarter, mormons are only 12%!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada#Demographics

So do you really want to argue that 12% of the population caused Romney to win by 37%?


So, considering that 12% out of 100% of the state is mormon, means that only 12% of the votes could have been from mormons?

How about the fact that the polls say that 26% of the people that voted were mormon, and 95% of those voted for Romney? It seems to me like mormons got off their keisters and had an extremely high turnout just to vote for him...

It's not a full 37%, but I'm sure it made an impact.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NVREP


Which is what I said originally:

What I saw earlier was that Romney won Nevada even without the Mormon vote. The Mormon vote simply padded his margin of victory.


So, you deleted the part that said that 26% of the voters in the primary were Mormon.

So. 26% of the voters were Mormon, and 90% of them voted for Romney. That means that 23% of the voters in the primary voted for Romney because they were Mormon.

That means that Romney got 14% of the voters that weren't Mormon that voted in the primary.

Since 10% of the voters in the primary that WERE Mormon voted for someone else, let's give the liberal assumption that they voted for the next two candidates evenly. That would mean that 3% of the voters were Mormons and they voted for Paul and McCain. So, let's delete the Mormon vote from Paul and McCain.

That would leave Paul with 11% and McCain with 10%.

Discounting the Mormons that voted for Romney, apparently because he's Mormon, Paul came in a close second to Romney, and, relatively, McCain came in a distant third..

Keith


You said 26% of the voters were mormon. Romney got 51% of the voters. About 44 thousand people voted. If you assume 100% of the mormons voted for Romney that drops his vote total from 22,600 to about 11,000. The next place finisher is Paul at 6,000. Romney still destroyed the competition.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NV

[Alonzo]

lol. Wow, ya'll are no fun. Sheesh. Nevermind then. I thought it was hysterically funny and really bizarre. Thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss. But since it is 'religious', then ya'll are going to be wet blankets. I should have known not to bother.


I've never agreed with the notion that some religions were acceptable to ridicule. It seems like a lot of people agree with that, except that they make exceptions for all the religions they don't like. Scientology seems to be one of the most common exceptions.


Honestly, I don't ridicule any religion. I don't believe in any of them, and I have little respect for many of their beliefs, but I don't ridicule any personal belief that brings anyone structure or comfort.

Keith


I didn't say you did.

[Pookie]

Woooooooooo! I just saw that video. Cruise is a nutcase.
That video in itself would scare me away from even thinking about being a Scientologist!
Yow.
Purrs,
Pookie

[preservanation]

What the HELL is he talking about?
I know less about Scientology than I did before watching that....I know less of everything after that. I think he sucked out some of my brain.
Weird.

"I want to romp and play, but I can't...because I know."???
What?

L. Ron Paul Hubbard?
LOL

[AnnEsthesia]

lol. Wow, ya'll are no fun. Sheesh. Nevermind then. I thought it was hysterically funny and really bizarre. Thought it would be an interesting thing to discuss. But since it is 'religious', then ya'll are going to be wet blankets. I should have known not to bother.


I've never agreed with the notion that some religions were acceptable to ridicule. It seems like a lot of people agree with that, except that they make exceptions for all the religions they don't like. Scientology seems to be one of the most common exceptions.


Of course, Tom Cruise is NOT a religion. The film was making fun of HIM, not the religion itself. BTW, that film was produced by Scientology, not by an outsider.[hr]Thank you. preserv and pookie got it. Glad someone here did, lol.

[ViolaLee]

Alonzo - if all the mormons came out to vote, they could have given him the whole 37%.

The percentage of mormons in the state doesn't determine the percentage of the mormon vote. I can't do the math, my brain doesn't work that way, but if all 12% of the mormons voted, and only 8% for example of other people voted, it would be a landslide.

Mark said it better...[hr]
I've never agreed with the notion that some religions were acceptable to ridicule. It seems like a lot of people agree with that, except that they make exceptions for all the religions they don't like. Scientology seems to be one of the most common exceptions.


I think they are all acceptable to ridicule. They are all ridiculous!

Think of the debates - on one debate, the candidates were asked if they don't believe in evolution. Some of them raised their hands! Some of the candidates who believe in the fairy tale of the bible and don't believe in evolution are actually viable candidates!!!!

On another debate, one candidate said he believes in UFOs.

He was ridiculed and he's not a viable candidate. He was made to look like a fool.

To me, UFOs, ghosts, God, Jesus, Angels, they are all equally supernatural, unearthly, magical, unprovable stories.

But a guy who believes in UFOs is OK to ridicule but not a guy who believes in Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark and Jonah and the Whale, and turning water into wine and parting the sea etc?

[Tharagor]

Scientology is no loonier than any other "orthodox" religion. It just happens to be the newest. When viewed from the outside, it's claims are no more loony than a claim that there is one god, that any people are a chosen people, that a person can be raised as a zombie, or that one can manipulate reality through incantation.

When one labels any religion as loony or moon-bat, one should accept that any or all religions can justly be labeled as such.

-- Ramen

[AnnEsthesia]

As someone once said, it is not God I have an issue with, it is his followers.

[ViolaLee]

As someone once said, it is not God I have an issue with, it is his followers.


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