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Rider
08-07-2006, 11:21 PM
Here's a little follow up on the whole MTV flap from an earlier thread. This article addressÂ*Â*some civil rights issues.

MTV, still clueless after all these years





Last week, MTV celebrated its 25th anniversary, marking a quarter of a century after having conceived of the first actually new thing in popular television entertainment since "American Bandstand" and "Soul Train."
The music video became a big deal through MTV and not only updated the old "soundies" once shown in movie theaters to feature singers and instrumentalists. It also revolutionized the making of films by acclimating its audience to the extremely fast crosscutting that had been pioneered in television commercials, where the faster the message arrived, the better. In the process, the MTV audience learned to see much more quickly and recognize what sometimes quite surreal montages were saying or what they were alluding to - no small accomplishment.

Of course, that is not the whole story of MTV, which also came to project the most dehumanizing images of black people since the dawn of minstrelsy in the 19th century. Pimps, whores, potheads, dope dealers, gangbangers, the crudest materialism and anarchic gang violence were broadcast around the world as "real" black culture.

At first, far too many black people were taken in by the cult of celebrity and the wealth that came to these gold- toothed knuckleheads and mindless hussies to realize what was happening. The lowest possible common denominator was seen as the norm. The illiteracy and rule-of-thumb stupidity was interpreted as a "cultural" rejection of white middle-class norms.

It was as if these dregs had the same heroic position in our time as the largely uneducated Southern black poor of the civil rights movement. Those Southern black people, like the marvelous Fannie Lou Hamer, proved to this nation and to the world that they not only deserved their constitutional rights, but had something both noble and soulful to add to our American understanding of the richness of the human spirit. We are a much greater nation because of the success of the civil rights movement. As they emerged from beneath the bloody rock of segregation, those Southern black people brought to our national identity a compassion and a bravery of immeasurable value.

Unfortunately, the crabbed thug culture that was popularized through MTV brought nothing big with it other than some paychecks.

Twenty-five years later, Christina Norman is the president of the network - and a black woman with a new problem on her hands. Part of that problem is Lisa Fager, a black woman who is president and co-founder of Industry Ears (industryears.com). Fager is disturbed by an MTV "satire" called "Where My Dogs At?" which has a cartoon figure strongly resembling Snoop Dogg who enters a pet store with two black women walking on all fours with leashes around their necks. At the end of the "parody," they defecate on the floor.

Fager's problem is that the spot was shown at 12:30 p.m. on a Saturday afternoon and will, no doubt, perpetuate among younger viewers the misogynist and dehumanizing images we have become accustomed to in too many rap videos.

That's the way big money goes. We can be sure that Christina Norman will have a simplemindedly liberal justification for the material, but I doubt that Lisa Fager will want to hear it. Nor will the millions of black women who oppose this kind of material and are beginning to rise into the sorts of positions that will make them an influential special-interest group. I don't know how long it will take, but change is on the way.

Originally published on August 7, 2006

Link: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/441492p-371749c.html

I've never posted an article or a link before so if I've made a mistake I'll try to correct it with your help. -Thanks

lily
08-09-2006, 12:05 AM
I don't watch MTV. My kids didn't and my grandkids don't, so I really can't comment on it's content. So if going off topic is something you don't want to do, Rider, I'll totally understand, but this seems as good a place as any, to put in the opposing viewpoint.

I was ticked off, when the netweork caved into the religious right and cancelled a good show, The Book of Daniel, just because a minister's son was gay.

Also, not that it's something I look for in a comedy, but they insisted and got all nipples taped down on Desperate Housewives.

You've got the one extreme, on a pay channel of pimps and ho's and the other extreme on regular TV.

Either way.......all it takes is the remote control........you don't even have to get up.:D

Rider
08-09-2006, 03:43 AM
Lily, I think that the Book of Daniel had quite a bit more controversial material than just that. I see your point, but do you think that we'll see Hollywood bring out a series mocking Islam? Some of the material was quite insulting to Christians. Why shouldn't they complain if they don't like it?

lily
08-09-2006, 03:54 AM
Rider


Lily, I think that the Book of Daniel had quite a bit more controversial material than just that.
That is the only reason I read about. Contraversial? To me it was ever day life. A frined of mine's mother who was in her 80's not only watched the show but loved it.

I see your point, but do you think that we'll see Hollywood bring out a series mocking Islam?

I really don't see an audience for it. The Book of Daniel was not mocking anyone.

tonto22
08-09-2006, 02:00 PM
Book of daniel is about as contraversial as a paper clip

Rider
08-09-2006, 03:05 PM
The American Family Association applied pressure, along with thousands of viewers to convince NBC to pull the show. Here's a snip from an article:

"The AFA has protested the program noting it includes as the main character, a priest who is struggling with an addiction to a prescription drug, his wife who has a problem with alcoholism and children who are dealing with issues of homosexuality, drugs and promiscuity. The show also features a Jesus character that only the priest can see and acts as a friend and counselor."
Link: http://www.christianpost.com/article/20060105/5822.htm

Maybe it's not insulting to you. Why don't you start a campaign to have NBC bring it back? I have a better idea. Why not get the writers and producers to alter the program to have fun with a Muslim family?

Yeah, that'l happen. The program was obviously meant to stick a thumb in the eye of all those conservative christians out there.

PittsburghAfterDark
08-09-2006, 07:04 PM
Shows fail for one reason and one reason only. The ratings sucked.

lily
08-10-2006, 01:33 AM
Rider




"The AFA has protested the program noting it includes as the main character, a priest who is struggling with an addiction to a prescription drug, his wife who has a problem with alcoholism and children who are dealing with issues of homosexuality, drugs and promiscuity. The show also features a Jesus character that only the priest can see and acts as a friend and counselor."

The show showed that even ministersÂ*Â*have problems. It also showed that even with flaws, families can still love each other....a very Christian thing to do IMO......also, just a guess here, but I would think and hope that at one time or another, a minister would talk to Jesus.......that is the only reason why they had him "appear". I'm taking it that you never watched the show?

Maybe it's not insulting to you. Why don't you start a campaign to have NBC bring it back? I have a better idea. Why not get the writers and producers to alter the program to have fun with a Muslim family?

I've already resonded to this question.

Yeah, that'l happen. The program was obviously meant to stick a thumb in the eye of all those conservative christians out there.

Are you that insecure?

Rider
08-10-2006, 09:50 PM
Lily writes- I'm taking it that you never watched the show?
I saw the show once, but did not complete it. Didn't seem too interesting to me.

Are you that insecure?
I don't see the point of that question. Why do you call into question insecurity? I don't even consider myself a conservative Christian, so why would it bother me? I noticed a cavalier attitude about Jesus Christ, the holiest figure; the god of about 85% of the population. I reiterate my position- I think it was meant to be a thumb in the eye to conservative Christians.