Liberal Fascism author exposed as a nut by John Stewart

[Alonzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m10R3VT87c

[Labrocca]

Stewart does a good job of making the guy look confused and working on his problems with labels. Not a book I plan to read anyways. Conceptually I think I know what the guy is trying to say but you can't point a finger at people doing something you are also doing.

[lily]

It's a good thing he made that discalimer at the begining of the interview, because it was so chopped up, it didn't make any sense.

[Buck Laser]

It's a good thing he made that discalimer at the begining of the interview, because it was so chopped up, it didn't make any sense.


I get the feeling that Jonah Goldberg is chopped liver, but Clay would probably love him. But I'm gonna go get a copy of It Takes a Village and read it, just to annoy the Hillary haters here. :evil:

[ViolaLee]

Why would a guy who's out to insult liberals go on John Stewart's show anyway?

And his name is Jonah Goldberg.....what kind of Jew isn't a liberal anyway? :lmao:

[AmericanDreamer]

A smart Jew:lmao:

[ViolaLee]

Well Republicans vote against their best interests every election, so I wouldn't say that's especially smart.

[Drocket]

A far more thorough take down has been the one over on Orcinus (http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/). This book is rather clearly a laughable bit of drek, which isn't terribly surprising if you've ever read any of Jonah's articles. The man, aside from being a right-wing hack, is an outright moron. I'm not surprised at all that it took them 18 minutes of filming to get enough tape for a 6 minute interview: Stewart almost certainly had to repeat all of his questions 3-4 times before Jonah understood them (and then failed to respond to them, because he simply refuses to concede the existence of viewpoints that are different from his.)

[firefox]

Well Republicans vote against their best interests every election, so I wouldn't say that's especially smart.


How do you figure?

[ViolaLee]

Well Republicans vote against their best interests every election, so I wouldn't say that's especially smart.


How do you figure?
Well, for one thing, Republican politicians are out to protect the top 1%. So if you're in the rest of the 99%, you're voting against your own best interests.

[AmericanDreamer]

Well Republicans vote against their best interests every election, so I wouldn't say that's especially smart.

I'd say this Democratic Congress didn't do to well either. I agree both parties have issues with intelligence. That's why I stay UNAFFILIATED:)

[Mr Jinx]

While I agree Stewart made him look like a wack job. I heard that guy in other interviews and he does make some sense.

Many far left liberals want to prevent the conservatives from getting their message out (see the minute men at Colombia). ==> facist are for eliminating free speech and free press. Many stop them from living their lives as they want (environmentalist who toss red paint on women in fur). Many want to straight silence conservatives.

Doesn't socialism lead to facism. All the Democrats are breaching is more socialism. Meaning they start running everything and tells you how to live your life. If the government did all the things that far left liberals want wouldn't that lead to socialism and hence facism. The far left would want government to completely regulate business and the environment and make strict regulations on many daily activities. Is that facism?

While I do still believe the facism is still mainly a right side movement, I can see the author's point the there is a liberal facism!

[Keith Hamburger]

Many stop them from living their lives as they want (environmentalist who toss red paint on women in fur).

It's interesting they never throw paint at bikers wearing leather.

Keith

[Pookie]

I think that's interesting too. I think maybe the biker would be more likely to hurt someone than a lady in a fur coat.
I don't wear either one. But I also don't go around throwing paint on folks who do.
What a beautiful creature in that picture. You got a good shot there Tony. Well done.
Purrs,
Pookie

[Drocket]

The far left would want government to completely regulate business and the environment and make strict regulations on many daily activities. Is that facism?

No, it's not. That would be a form of authoritarianism, certainly, of which fascism is a subset, but it's not fascism. Its the old "all apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples" thing.

[Mr Jinx]

Well Republicans vote against their best interests every election, so I wouldn't say that's especially smart.


How do you figure?
Well, for one thing, Republican politicians are out to protect the top 1%. So if you're in the rest of the 99%, you're voting against your own best interests.


I beg to differ I believe the Republicans are out to protect the entire country (obviously depends on what Republican you are talking about). They just come are from a different angle (more rational and realistic angle) than the Democrats.

Well the Democrats are out to protect the bottom 25% with socialist based plans which encourage inferior products and programs by using the collective 100% population's money. To which the top 25% (who make the majority of the country's wealth) unfairly pick up the majority of the wealth. If Soviets and Chinese (the Chinese has only started to thrive since they opened up their economy to capitalism) have taught use anything its that socialism/communism kills incentive. Without incentive everything goes downhill.[hr]
The far left would want government to completely regulate business and the environment and make strict regulations on many daily activities. Is that facism?

No, it's not. That would be a form of authoritarianism, certainly, of which fascism is a subset, but it's not fascism. Its the old "all apples are fruit, but not all fruit are apples" thing.


Restricting private business by socialism, which many (not all) on the far left supports, leads to restriction on freedom. Restrictions on freedom is the basis of facism.

I agree the facism is more a danger of coming from the right, but I am just stating that the author does have a valid point!:cool:

[Drocket]

Restricting private business by socialism, which many (not all) on the far left supports, leads to restriction on freedom. Restrictions on freedom is the basis of facism.

Restrictions on freedom is a form of authoritarianism. Fascism is one form of authoritarianism, but is far from the only one - just because something fulfills ONE aspect of fascism doesn't make it fascist. In particular, another aspect of fascism is the merging of corporate and government power - that is, corporations gain significant authority over government policy. The restriction on corporations in your example is a significant violation of what fascism means.

Your example is a form authoritarianism. Its not a form of fascism.

[Mr Jinx]

Hugo Chavez is using the government to promote socialism and dominate control by the state. Government control is a left thinking and motivated ideology. He has used his desire to maintain state control, but taking over private business and shutting down ones that don't agree with him. He rationalizes this decisions by stating that they are traitors to Venezuela and this is the "best" for the country.

For example:
(1) He shut down all the independent news media in the country. The reason for the biggest one was because he stated that they assisted the US in a failed coup! Good excuse
(2) He violently suppresses any protests. He orders the police to take them down quickly and with force.
(3) He nationalized the oil industry
(4) He nationalized the hospitals.
(5) Just today he talked about nationalizing the farms, diary/milk and food producing industry in Venezuela, calling the traitors to Venezuela
(6) He stopped the privatization of the aluminum industry
(7) Created laws to over-see all union operations
(8) He had the enabling act passed --> this gives him the power to Rule by decree (which is a style of governance allowing quick, unchallenged creation of law by a single person or group, and is used primarily by dictators and absolute monarchs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_by_decree)
(9) He enacted land transfer laws, which took away private land to be used for public purpose, without giving any compensation
(10) He nationalized the healthcare. He did this without a comprehensive plan and has been a complete failure
(11) Provides free education at university. Sounds like a great idea, but its lowering the education quality significantly and rapidly

The are countless examples. Chavez's plan is to take over everything, run everything and completely control the lives Venezuela's citizens. Chavez is a crystal clear example of a leftist (liberal) practicing facism!

[Drocket]

The are countless examples. Chavez's plan is to take over everything, run everything and completely control the lives Venezuela's citizens. Chavez is a crystal clear example of a leftist (liberal) practicing facism!

No, that would be Communism, another form of authoritarian government, one which is quite different from fascism.