Bill - its the media's fault

[AlanC]

According to Bill, the media is giving Obama a pass.

Somehow I find the irony of this .... fascinating.





The link to the video (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/01/bill_clinton_blames_media_for_obama.html)

[Drocket]

I'm not sure what irony there is. The press has always despised the Clintons. Clinton's 1992 election was a non-stop string of accusations and smears (the vast majority of which weren't just untrue but outright insane) that were dutifully parroted by the media, and that continued through his entire presidency. Bill Clinton, however, was sufficiently charismatic and able to speak directly to the people that he was able to succeed despite the media's attempts to destroy him.

[preservanation]

I'm not sure what irony there is. The press has always despised the Clintons. Clinton's 1992 election was a non-stop string of accusations and smears (the vast majority of which weren't just untrue but outright insane) that were dutifully parroted by the media, and that continued through his entire presidency. Bill Clinton, however, was sufficiently charismatic and able to speak directly to the people that he was able to succeed despite the media's attempts to destroy him.

The press has always despised the Clintons...?
Yeah...and they heralded Newt or Ken Star and conservatives in general during the nineties.
The left is living the in the political version of a "space jam".

Now you smug a-holes are getting a taste of what the Right has had to put up for thirty years.
Guess what... you wusses start the crying after two weeks after a hint of the same thing directed at Hillary??
My sympathy for your whining falls on deaf ears.
Grow up.

[underdawg]

Why should Hillary be worried? Just last month she was bragging that she couldn't be stopped. Now that she has lost Iowa and got beaten by Obama, her and Bill seem to be whining. I have no sympathy either. Look at Kucinich, he is way behind, but I have not seen him whine. People who want the job too much seems like the ones that shouldn't have it.

[preservanation]

I agree, underdawg. Good pt.

Furthermore,
Kucinich has my respect and trust...I wouldn't let him anywhere near the reigns of power.
But my personal feelings for him remain.

[Scorpion]

I'm not sure what irony there is. The press has always despised the Clintons. Clinton's 1992 election was a non-stop string of accusations and smears (the vast majority of which weren't just untrue but outright insane) that were dutifully parroted by the media, and that continued through his entire presidency. Bill Clinton, however, was sufficiently charismatic and able to speak directly to the people that he was able to succeed despite the media's attempts to destroy him.

The press has always despised the Clintons...?
Yeah...and they heralded Newt or Ken Star and conservatives in general during the nineties.
The left is living the in the political version of a "space jam".

Now you smug a-holes are getting a taste of what the Right has had to put up for thirty years.
Guess what... you wusses start the crying after two weeks after a hint of the same thing directed at Hillary??
My sympathy for your whining falls on deaf ears.
Grow up.


You're right on target pres. Lefty's can dish it out but they can't take. One hint of media bias against the left and they start whining and crying foul.

Nothing but babies, the lot of them.

[preservanation]

Yeah...They Suck.
You Betcha!

[underdawg]

Now I believe there are whiners on both sides.

[Labrocca]

This really boils down to Charisma.

Obama is easily liked. Hillary is easily hated.

I don't think this is a partisan issue for Hillary. I think it's simply who she is.

[Buck Laser]

This really boils down to Charisma.

Obama is easily liked. Hillary is easily hated.

I don't think this is a partisan issue for Hillary. I think it's simply who she is.

I'm an Obama supporter, and have been for nearly a year. Clinton is not my candidate, but I seriously do not understand the visceral hatred so many people hold for her. It may be just a mirror image of the way so many of us hold a visceral dislike for Bush. But the difference is that Bush has an actual record of bad performance, so there's a tangible justification for us Bush haters. But I'll be damned if I can see any rationale for hating Hillary.

Regardless of the blatherings of her haters, she's not a leftist. Who cares whether she's a lesbian? On any scale of measuring fatness, she looks pretty good for a woman in her 60s. The unflattering pictures of her are nowhere near as ugly as the daily pictures of Goober Bush. So WTF is it? It sure as hell isn't rational.

[BoogyMan]

Buck, you want to know why many folks don't like Hillary? Read "It Takes a Village" and you will see why. The woman not only wants to run the country, but she wants control of my family as well.

Hillary is not a leftist? Maybe not in the last 10 minutes, but Hillary is whatever she thinks will garner her some kind of power in any instance.

[Buck Laser]

Buck, you want to know why many folks don't like Hillary? Read "It Takes a Village" and you will see why. The woman not only wants to run the country, but she wants control of my family as well.

Hillary is not a leftist? Maybe not in the last 10 minutes, but Hillary is whatever she thinks will garner her some kind of power in any instance.


Forget it, Boog. You're gonna fight anything I say. It's not worth the trouble to try to reason with you.

[Labrocca]

Buck I don't think you need to understand the hatred to know it's there. Simply acknowledgement is enough. Many smart democrat voters know that Hillary can't win over these people and would create a larger divide in our political landscape.

I just don't see why people would elect Bush, Clinton, Bush, and then Clinton again. We have had too many years of the Hatfields vs the McCoys and it's time the country moved on.

[Pookie]

I think you have a point there, Labrocca. In fact, that's part of why I am not supporting Hillary. More the same is like shooting ourselves in the foot, it's just going to make us lame. I'm pushing #1 Obama, #2 Edwards and #3 -- if I don't change my mind about another Democrat -- Romney.
Purrs,
Pookie

[BoogyMan]

Buck, you want to know why many folks don't like Hillary? Read "It Takes a Village" and you will see why. The woman not only wants to run the country, but she wants control of my family as well.

Hillary is not a leftist? Maybe not in the last 10 minutes, but Hillary is whatever she thinks will garner her some kind of power in any instance.


Forget it, Boog. You're gonna fight anything I say. It's not worth the trouble to try to reason with you.


We would most likely disagree Buck, I am simply telling you why many dislike her that I know of.

[Buck Laser]

Buck I don't think you need to understand the hatred to know it's there. Simply acknowledgement is enough. Many smart democrat voters know that Hillary can't win over these people and would create a larger divide in our political landscape.

I just don't see why people would elect Bush, Clinton, Bush, and then Clinton again. We have had too many years of the Hatfields vs the McCoys and it's time the country moved on.

As I've said repeatedly, Clinton isn't my candidate. The "dynastic" issue does bother me, and that's one of the specific reasons why I'm not too enthusiastic about her as a candidate.

If I don't have to understand the hatred of Clinton, then why do all the conservatives complain about this "Bush Derangement Syndrome" stuff? There is objective evidence that Bush is an irrational liar: I don't think the same kind of evidence exists for Clinton.

[BoogyMan]

Edward Klein, a former New York Times magazine editor, seems to think there is a great deal of evidence that Mr. Clinton is in his words a "congenital liar." His book, The Truth about Hillary provides support for the view of Mr. Clinton that many of us hold.

[Drocket]

Edward Klein is a perfect example of the sort of slime-throwing right-wing smear merchants that infest the media. His book does not provide support for *anything* - all it provides is several hundred pages of slander and innuendo, all based on "anonymous" sources.

[underdawg]

I am not a Hillary fan, but if it came down to her or any of the Republican candidates with the exception of Ron Paul, I would vote for Hillary in a heartbeat.

[BoogyMan]

Edward Klein is a perfect example of the sort of slime-throwing right-wing smear merchants that infest the media. His book does not provide support for *anything* - all it provides is several hundred pages of slander and innuendo, all based on "anonymous" sources.


Wow Drocket, was your copy redacted? The book I checked out and read named names and sources.

Anonymous? Hogwash, however that is what MoveOn.org would have you to believe.

Klein is every bit as relevant and useful a source and the many books quoted here by liberals that trash the unlucky conservative of the day.

[Drocket]

Wow Drocket, was your copy redacted? The book I checked out and read named names and sources.

Oh yes, it used names and sources quite skillfully - to create a thin veneer of credibility for the absurd accusations it made. The book's general argument went along the lines of:

"According to anonymous sources, Hillary Clinton is a lesbian. Supporting evidence of this can be found in Hillary's 1992 meeting with a known lesbian (some lesbian) at a political rally, as photographed by (somebody). In addition, the New York Times documents a time in 1994 that Hillary met with yet ANOTHER lesbian at a fundraiser for Bill. Shockingly, Hillary even went to high school with (someone else), who 20 years later came out as a lesbian."

Virtually none of the meaningful accusations have any actual documentation, but they're surrounded by absolutely absurd amounts of documentation about things that are, at best, tangentally related.

And for those who haven't had the misfortune of reading the book, yes, he accuses Hillary of secretly being a lesbian, based primarily on her knowing some lesbians.

[BoogyMan]

The only allegation I supported from Klein's book is that she is a liar (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=10402&pid=128925#pid128925), and quite conveniently Drocket, that is the one you have skirted in your commentary.

Oh well.

[Buck Laser]

Anonymous? Hogwash, however that is what MoveOn.org would have you to believe.

Klein is every bit as relevant and useful a source and the many books quoted here by liberals that trash the unlucky conservative of the day.

Sorry, Boog, but I'd trust MoveOn in just about anything before I'd trust your opinion. Some people say Clinton is a liar. Everyone knows Bush is a liar.

[BoogyMan]

Anonymous? Hogwash, however that is what MoveOn.org would have you to believe.

Klein is every bit as relevant and useful a source and the many books quoted here by liberals that trash the unlucky conservative of the day.

Sorry, Boog, but I'd trust MoveOn in just about anything before I'd trust your opinion. Some people say Clinton is a liar. Everyone knows Bush is a liar.


I feel about Clinton the way you feel about Bush. Perception is everything, and MoveOn is all about managing perception for Clinton.

[Buck Laser]

Anonymous? Hogwash, however that is what MoveOn.org would have you to believe.

Klein is every bit as relevant and useful a source and the many books quoted here by liberals that trash the unlucky conservative of the day.

Sorry, Boog, but I'd trust MoveOn in just about anything before I'd trust your opinion. Some people say Clinton is a liar. Everyone knows Bush is a liar.


I feel about Clinton the way you feel about Bush. Perception is everything, and MoveOn is all about managing perception for Clinton.

Good. You're finally recognizing that feelings do determine how we form our opinions. That's a whole hell of a lot better than the usual stuff about how you (or anyone else) has "proven" that one candidate or another is better. There may finally be some hope for you, Boog! :evil:

[BoogyMan]

Good. You're finally recognizing that feelings do determine how we form our opinions. That's a whole hell of a lot better than the usual stuff about how you (or anyone else) has "proven" that one candidate or another is better. There may finally be some hope for you, Boog! :evil:


Nah, because I was thinking the same thing about your comments. I am hopeless! :evil: