Is the South ready for a Black President? No

[K-D-K-D-K]

From the concensus I have gathered at the local country club and from my Oil and Gas constituants and just plain ole shooting the bull around the state is NO. People fing that it is a travesty to vote for a Black Man to be President and especially one with a middle name of Hussien. You just have to live here in the south to understand. One reason that is going against him as well as Gulianni and Romney is his Anti-Stance on Guns. Being a gun owner is something that all Southerners are. Another is his anti stance on Oil and Gas Companies that the Southern states depend on like La, Ms and Al. We get large royalties from land and offshore drilling. It will be hard for him to get votes.

[preservanation]

The fear is that Obama will bring many new voters into his camp as well as appeal the Indies. Reagan Dems as well.
I think many more would show up to vote against Hillary than Obama.
And more will show up to vote for Obama than Hillary.

He hasn't been tested and his platform, which is the same as Hillary's anyway.
Higher taxes, larger centralized gov, etc...
The dems are looking towards electability more than individual policy differences between their candidates.

IMO, Hillary will still get the nomination, and that's a good thing for the GOP.

[bobbylien]

La, Ms and Al
You talk like hes supposed to care about your states. Keep your mess to yourselves, every campaign strategist knows that Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi will go to the baptist preacher.

[K-D-K-D-K]

La, Ms and Al
You talk like hes supposed to care about your states. Keep your mess to yourselves, every campaign strategist knows that Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi will go to the baptist preacher.
Hey boy, if he wants to be President then all states should be of concern to him. Dont think we will have our say. Oil and Gas Money can be pretty influential as well as Southern hunters that own guns when it comes to gun ownership. Think of that!!!

[Buck Laser]

Looks to me as if KDK is parroting the stuff that the lowest and slimiest of the GOP people are promoting. The late and unlamented CWN tried to start something with this "Hussein" shit, and KDK seems to be continuing it.

Over against that is the fact that Obama's candidacy is certain to bring out a much larger black vote in the south, perhaps in true proportion to their share of the population. What KDK has to say is simply the response of angry old white men who spend too much of their lives listening to Limbaugh and his ilk.

Watch for all the formulaic bile to start flowing from republicans, as they struggle desperately to find a climate who has a chance against any of the democratic contenders. The plain fact is that Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson and the other democrats are MUCH closer to the American public than the narrow-agenda republicans who want only to hang onto power.

[K-D-K-D-K]

Looks to me as if KDK is parroting the stuff that the lowest and slimiest of the GOP people are promoting. The late and unlamented CWN tried to start something with this "Hussein" shit, and KDK seems to be continuing it.

Over against that is the fact that Obama's candidacy is certain to bring out a much larger black vote in the south, perhaps in true proportion to their share of the population. What KDK has to say is simply the response of angry old white men who spend too much of their lives listening to Limbaugh and his ilk.

Watch for all the formulaic bile to start flowing from republicans, as they struggle desperately to find a climate who has a chance against any of the democratic contenders. The plain fact is that Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Richardson and the other democrats are MUCH closer to the American public than the narrow-agenda republicans who want only to hang onto power.
You must Remember that La, Ms and Al are all Republican States with Rep Governors. Louisiana just voted for Gov Jindal with overwhelming support. Also most of the Blacks were run out of Ms and La after the storms and haven't been able to return.

[Buck Laser]

You must Remember that La, Ms and Al are all Republican States with Rep Governors. Louisiana just voted for Gov Jindal with overwhelming support. Also most of the Blacks were run out of Ms and La after the storms and haven't been able to return.

And you'd better pay attention to the fact that there are a hell of a lot more black people there than you realize. Your bias in this matter is clear by your use of the term "run out of." I think it's time you looked inside yourself.

[Deadshot]

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/1344/std_map.jpg

Look at the Map K-D. Obama, Hillary or Edwards will keep all these Democractic states, so that's 252 Electorial Votes. Iowa had more Dems then GOP's show up at the Caucuses. Right now it looks like the Dems will win Iowa, gaining 7 Electorial Votes, making it 259 vs. 279. Ohio (20) and Florida (27) are both looking to be Democratic hot beds, as well as New Mexico (5). Win those four states, 60 Electorial Votes, and the EVC would be Dems 312 vs. GOP's 226.

So the "Traditional" South, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisianna, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Tennesse, Virginia, West Virginia and Kentucky could ALL vote Republican and it wouldn't beat the Democrats! In fact, the GOP could take ALL of the South from the Mason Dixon line down and they'd still lose if they didn't have IA and OH. Those 27 EV turn from the Republicans and it's Dems 279 and GOP's 259.

K-D, try and educate yourself on the Political process here in the U.S., the map above should help. Look at the 2006 elections as a precursor for 2008. Notice how states like Missouri and Virginia elected Democratic Congressmen. The difference in the last election was 34 EV, so a 18 vote pick up by the Dems assures a victory. So the Dems win Missouri and Iowa, and everything else stays constent, and we win.

IMHO, I think the Dems will pick up Iowa (7), Ohio (20), Louisianna (9), New Mexico (5) and possibly Florida and Missouri. That's a 41 EV turnaround...and a landslide Democratic victory!:ecstatic:

[potter]

From the concensus I have gathered at the local country club and from my Oil and Gas constituants and just plain ole shooting the bull around the state is NO. People fing that it is a travesty to vote for a Black Man to be President and especially one with a middle name of Hussien. You just have to live here in the south to understand. One reason that is going against him as well as Gulianni and Romney is his Anti-Stance on Guns. Being a gun owner is something that all Southerners are. Another is his anti stance on Oil and Gas Companies that the Southern states depend on like La, Ms and Al. We get large royalties from land and offshore drilling. It will be hard for him to get votes.


Racism is alive and well in America. Longing for the good old days when you could whip those blacks to keep them in lin are ya? Can't stand the thought of a black man having the nerve to tell you what to do? :shame:

That Black man probably has more character in his little finger than the entire population of Arkansas.

[preservanation]

That Black man probably has more character in his little finger than the entire population of Arkansas.
This used to be true...but then the Clintons left.

[potter]

That Black man probably has more character in his little finger than the entire population of Arkansas.
This used to be true...but then the Clintons left.


:lmao:

Unfortunately he was one of the more "cultured" residents.....

[Deadshot]

Arkansas has the same percentage of racist as most states. If they're not ready for a Black President, fine. The majority of the country is...thank God.

[underdawg]

I actually think that soon the minorities will outnumber the whites in this country. I suppose that would make the racist white people in this country really pissed off when then lose power and become the new minority. I think now is the time that a black man can become president.

[ViolaLee]

I think South Carolina will have so many black voters voting democratic along with the other races who vote democratic, they will overpower the white republican racists who would refuse to vote for a black man.

Let's see how many votes Obama gets in South Carolina in the primary. It's coming up soon, right after Michigan and Nevada. And then Florida.

[Mark L Hamburger]

I don't care that he's black, I just don't like his stance on a lot of issues. Same with Hillary, has nothing to do with her being a woman, it's all about her politics.

Same goes with everyone elses campaign, I don't care about their religion, skin color, sex, etc., if their political positions are crap, I don't want them in that position of power.

[jeremypb]

I used to think there was no way the south was ready for a black president but now I don’t think it’s just black voters supporting Obama in places like South Carolina. To quote a story from oneforthetable.com (http://www.oneforthetable.com)
called Sweet Potato Politics (http://www.oneforthetable.com/oftt/articles/sweet-potato-politics.html) where Julia Flower is talking about her recent trip to the state:
“This group of Caucasian, church goin’, blue-collar southerners were for Barack Obama. I’m talking about men who use the “N” word without thought. These are women who never have and never would even go on a date with a black man and yet intend to vote for him in the South Carolina Democratic Primary on January 26th and hopefully again in the final election.”

[Mia]

I think on the whole the nation cares more about electing who they think is the best person, color or religion or gender aside. It's too bad that neither Obama or Clinton fit that description. Clinton fits it far better than Obama, to me at least. He is untested, inexperienced, and insincere if you ask me. At least we know exactly what Hillary is for - we have a long record to look at.

[Elrathin]

I think on the whole the nation cares more about electing who they think is the best person, color or religion or gender aside.


Really? Show me a president that doesn't admit to a Christian type religion. Sorry but there has never been an Atheist or Wiccan (Pagan) President.

[ViolaLee]

Abraham Lincoln had as much experience as Obama has and he turned out to be one of our greatest Presidents. Cheney and Rumsfeld have experience dating back to Nixon and they turned out to be our worst nightmares. Experience isn't everything.

[Mia]

I think on the whole the nation cares more about electing who they think is the best person, color or religion or gender aside.


Really? Show me a president that doesn't admit to a Christian type religion. Sorry but there has never been an Atheist or Wiccan (Pagan) President.


Most Christians do not accept Mormons as 'one of them', myself included. It's an entirely different religion as far as we are concerned.[hr]
Abraham Lincoln had as much experience as Obama has and he turned out to be one of our greatest Presidents. Cheney and Rumsfeld have experience dating back to Nixon and they turned out to be our worst nightmares. Experience isn't everything.


True. I just don't like him. You can debate each of my reasons why, but it won't change anything. I did at first, but then he sat in that debate and lied to me. He was done at that moment as far as I was concerned, and I keep finding reasons to dislike him a little more since. I think he is a phony - trying to get elected the same way Kennedy did, in fact his speeches are much like Kennedy's. He's never had to work hard in his life, and hasn't. He has no idea of what it takes, and can't do it, imo. He's a good speaker, I'll give him that.

[Pookie]

What really did it for me was when Bush owned that baseball team, he traded Sammy Sosa! No wonder this country is messed up!
I'm in NC and believe it or not, Barack Obama might have a fighting chance at least in my area. Loads of people like him and Ron Paul. This is going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.
Purrs,
Pookie

[WWFFD]

Deadshot I can only hope you're right and we see states with better sense than those in the south. I've been in North Carolina all of my life and although we love Democrats as Governors we haven't voted Dem in a Presidential election since Carter and we all know the successes of Jesse Helms and now Dole. So KDKDK you may be right about the south's presidential preferences, but I think you're missing the boat a bit by assuming that the Gov. races have any real indication of where the states might go for the Pres. By the way not everyone in the south owns a gun, marries their cousin and checks gas meters for a living. Up here in NC we have jobs at companies that don't require a jump suit like IBM and SAS.

[Nostalgic Euphoria]

The only people that don't accept Mormons as being Christians are ones who don't know what Christianity means.

[Tharagor]

From the concensus I have gathered at the local country club and from my Oil and Gas constituants and just plain ole shooting the bull around the state is NO. People fing that it is a travesty to vote for a Black Man to be President and especially one with a middle name of Hussien. You just have to live here in the south to understand. One reason that is going against him as well as Gulianni and Romney is his Anti-Stance on Guns. Being a gun owner is something that all Southerners are. Another is his anti stance on Oil and Gas Companies that the Southern states depend on like La, Ms and Al. We get large royalties from land and offshore drilling. It will be hard for him to get votes.


Unfortunately, it seems as if the Democratic party is trying to throw the election. The Democratic front runners in this primary have always been Obama and Clinton. Does anyone think that the average person in this country has matured enough to have either an African American or a woman as President?

[sam]

Does anyone think that the average person in this country has matured enough to have either an African American or a woman as President?


I think Obama would have more of a chance than Clinton. It will be awhile before any woman gets to that office. Factor in that even after 8 years Bill Clinton bashing is still alive and well (and tiresome).

From what I've read, Obama is extremely popular with the young.
I would hope that the average American HAS matured enough to
go beyond relying on race as a criteria, but it will be awhile before
gender bias reaches that point.

[preservanation]

It will be awhile before any woman gets to that office.Any woman?
Blaming the apparent unwillingness for people to vote for Hillary because of gender bias, IMO is not credible.
Hillary Clinton's 50%+ unfavorable rating has little to do with the fact that she is a woman and much more to do with the fact that she is Hillary Clinton.[hr]Another thought:
People are more comfortable with someone who they have had in their life whom they are familiar with and have positive feeling for.
Everyone, across all races (M and F), has had that experience with some woman in their life, the same can't be said for all people with respect to different races.
This is not a judgement, but an observation.

[sam]

I didnt mean the gender bias was because of Hillary; I doubt any women, regardless of where she fell on the political spectrum would or could be elected.

Just my opinion, but we are still far more gender biased than we are racially biased.

[Nostalgic Euphoria]

I dont think race or gender will make a difference at all. It is almost set in stone that the next president will be Hillary or Obama. The only place that might have a problem with them is the south, and even there, thanks to dubya, the democrats will most likely to real fine.

Hillary and Obama have very high approval ratings. Many people may be pissed about it, and if Obama wins, I am sure they will increase security even more.


But either way, we will have our first female, or first African president.

[preservanation]

Just my opinion, but we are still far more gender biased than we are racially biased.
I disagree, sam.
People are more comfortable with someone who they have had in their life whom they are familiar with and have positive feeling for.
Everyone, across all races (M and F), has had that experience with some woman in their life, the same can't be said for all people with respect to different races.This is just my opinion, as well, but seems to make sense.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I think it's silly to assume that Obama couldn't carry southern states. Many of these states have African-American populations of around 30%, and as has been said racism is still a huge issue in many communities. I get the feeling that if Obama does get the nomination he could almost count on the black vote in the south to secure several states such as Georgia and Alabama. If that were the case, he would win the election without a doubt.

[SouthernLadyGA]

Women are either PMSing or having hot flashes...they think with emotion rather than their brain....like men think with the little head instead of the big head.

The south is ready for Obama

[sam]

Women are either PMSing or having hot flashes...they think with emotion rather than their brain....like men think with the little head instead of the big head.:madlaugh:

The south is ready for Obama


I think so too. Primaries are next week; but I still wouldn't place on bet on who will win the nomination.

Who does everyone think will get the Republican nomination?

[Nostalgic Euphoria]

McCain. Huckabee does not stand a chance, Romney does, but I still think it will be McCain.

[Tharagor]

I would hope that the average American HAS matured enough to
go beyond relying on race as a criteria...

I'm not as optimistic as you are. I've lived in several areas in the south and I have seen a strong, "I don't have anything against blacks, but I wouldn't want my daughter dating one" kind of attitude.

Personally, I think he's the best choice for the job out of the current crop. I have never voted Republican and McCain is too Republican for my blood and Hillary is too much of a politician.

I'd like to see Obama in the White House.

[Buck Laser]

I would hope that the average American HAS matured enough to
go beyond relying on race as a criteria...

I'm not as optimistic as you are. I've lived in several areas in the south and I have seen a strong, "I don't have anything against blacks, but I wouldn't want my daughter dating one" kind of attitude.

Personally, I think he's the best choice for the job out of the current crop. I have never voted Republican and McCain is too Republican for my blood and Hillary is too much of a politician.

I'd like to see Obama in the White House.

In my family, it's "some of my best friends are republicans, but I wouldn't want my daughter to marry one.":madlaugh:

[Tharagor]

In my family, it's "some of my best friends are republicans, but I wouldn't want my daughter to marry one.":madlaugh:


:clapper: