Idiot male protesters shout at Clinton to iron their shirts

[AlonzoMourning23]

SCREAMING male protesters told US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton to "iron my shirt" at a rally in the all-important primary state of Hampshire.

Senator Clinton, running to become the US's first female president, laughed off the protest suggesting a woman's place is doing laundry and not running the country.

"Ah, the remnants of sexism - alive and well," Senator Clinton said to applause, the Associated Press reported.

The two men were removed from the auditorium after raising a pair of signs that said, "Iron my shirt!" They also shouted the slogan.

"Can we turn the lights on? It's awfully dark," Senator Clinton said, signalling for police to come forward and take the men away.

The crowd burst into applause, and some began shouting, "Iron my shirt!" as the two were taken outside.

"As I think has been abundantly demonstrated, I am also running to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling," she said.

Senator Clinton later joked about the incident during question time.

"If there's anyone left in the auditorium who wants to learn how to iron a shirt, I'll talk about that," she said.

Senator Clinton came second in Iowa's caucuses last week and faces a tough challenge for the Democratic primary vote in New Hampshire from Barack Obama, who leads her with just one day remaining.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23022389-5005961,00.html

[micfranklin]

Sheesh. Just because they don't like her doesn't mean they have to be serious assholes to her.

[ViolaLee]

Sounds like she handled that pretty well.

I wonder if there would be more outrage if some racists taunted Obama with pick my cotton or some other derogatory remark.

I suppose it's more OK to be sexist in American than racist these days?

I've heard several people say America is more ready for a black man than a woman President. Someone told me it's probably because black men got the right to vote before women did, and that shows which order equal rights goes in.

Remember the equal rights for women bill has still never been passed in the USA.

[Professor]

I've heard several people say America is more ready for a black man than a woman President. Someone told me it's probably because black men got the right to vote before women did, and that shows which order equal rights goes in.


Officially yes, but once you factor in the Jim Crow Laws women got there first. And no matter what black women got there last.

I won't vote for Hillary but I do support the idea of a woman for president, just not that woman. And I applaud her handling of the situation.

[Keith Hamburger]

Remember the equal rights for women bill has still never been passed in the USA.


Should be no need for it. All we need to do, as seems to have mostly happened, is to recognize that people are people.

Where that doesn't exist, the conception needs to change. As the 14th amendment showed us, making a law doesn't acomplish what needs to happen.

Keith

[moses2792796]

lol, excellent work on the two guys part. put the woman in her place!

[preservanation]

If she could spot-clean blue dresses as well as iron shirts, the Clinton legacy would have been much different.
I guess she was too busy baking cookies.

[preservanation]

I think these jokers were plants so Hillary could play the sexism victim card. It's only one of a couple cards left in her hand right now.

"Ah, the remnants of sexism, alive and well," Clinton said.
And low and behold, Malkin agrees with me!
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/07/bs-alert-hillarys-iron-my-shirt-hecklers/
Very interesting.

[potter]

I think these jokers were plants so Hillary could play the sexism victim card. It's only one of a couple cards left in her hand right now.

"Ah, the remnants of sexism, alive and well," Clinton said.
And low and behold, Malkin agrees with me!
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/07/bs-alert-hillarys-iron-my-shirt-hecklers/
Very interesting.



Of course....everyone knows we have no sexist jerks in America......

[preservanation]

Yes.
But my point, and one propped up by observational facts from Malkin, is that they were PLANTS by the Hillary campaign.

[potter]

Yes.
But my point, and one propped up by observational facts from Malkin, is that they were PLANTS by the Hillary campaign.



Provide proof and I might entertain the idea. otherwise this is more RW bull intended to keep America divided. Divide and conquer...traitorous tactics if you ask me.

[preservanation]

Provide proof and I might entertain the idea. otherwise this is more RW bull intended to keep America divided. Divide and conquer...traitorous tactics if you ask me.
I said observational facts. It’s so “spontaneous” that Hillary orders her staff while on stage to turn the lights on because “it’s awfully dark in here”–and, you know, she wants to make sure all the photographers get good pictures of the unexpected, unpredicted hecklers rudely interrupting her and giving her a perfect YouTube-able moment to stand up to sexism! Darn those hecklers!

See also the New York Daily News, which reports that one of the hecklers had some interesting stickers–pro-Hillary and pro-health care. Surprise! The other dude says he’s a “Republican.” Hmmm:

We followed.to ask what the heck they were thinking.

Nick Gemelli, who is 21, and born at least a decade after “iron my shirts” was an anti-women’s rights slogan, didn’t have much of a rationale. “I just don’t think a woman should be President,” he said. He couldn’t really say why, but he agreed that he was a health care voter, as the sticker on his carrying case implied. The “Hillary for President” sticker was a bit more of a puzzle. He said he had just been given both and peeled them off. He said he had no connection to any campaign.

Hillary Clinton was at a Salem, NH rally earlier today where two male hecklers held up signs that read “Iron My Shirt.” They also yelled the odd slogan at delicate Hillary, who showed her jocular but steely side and batted down the sexist diatribe. Spontaneously, of course. Like those watery eyes. Several MSM outlets are reporting on the incident and MKH at Townhall blogged it from the scene.

Haven’t seen any video yet, but Anne Korblut notes that the hecklers were young students. Is your B.S. detector going off yet?


The two young men were quickly booed by the audience and escorted outside by the local police, and after repeatedly being asked, finally said they were protesting the notion of having a woman in the White House.

They declined to elaborate. One of the young men, who said he is a 21-year-old student, was told he looked too nice to have that sort of attitude toward women, and replied, “Looks can be deceiving.”
Yeah, I have a feeling there’s some deception going on. Question the timing? You bet.

In comments, Mookie notes that college goofballs have held up the sign–with profanity added–at feminist events. The question is whether someone in the campaign happened to encourage goofballs like these to show up today. There’s a history of that in the Hillary campaign, you know…

“Oh, the remnants of sexism are alive and well,” Mrs. Clinton said.

When everyone had settled down a bit, she said, “As I think has just been abundantly demonstrated, I am also running to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling.”

Her words were drowned out by a cheering, now-standing crowd.

“That’s one of the things I love about it,” she said. “It’s never predictable.”
Oh, I beg to differ. She’s as predictable as rain in Seattle, fog in San Francisco, and wildfires in Malibu.



What I dread most in this political season is the “genuine” moment - and it is coming, soon, sometime between today and tomorrow, or tomorrow and New Hampshire - when Mrs. Clinton, in her ongoing effort to turn herself into whatever the polls says she must be, cries in public. It’s going to be genuinely ghastly.

Couple this with "pattern of behavior" on Hillary's part... Remember when Hillary launched her presidential campaign by touting her folksy bid to start a “conversation–with you, with America?” We knew it was phony baloney, but not this phony baloney:

The Iowa caucuses are known for their “living-room chats” where ordinary Iowans can meet candidates face-to-face and talk about what interests voters. When candidates have larger events or make major policy speeches, the crowds are bigger, but there is often still an opportunity for questions. But under the pressures of major media coverage, with polls narrowing in Iowa, campaigns can potentially control questions and coverage by planning questions ahead of time.

While no campaigns admit to this practice, at a recent Hillary Clinton campaign event in Newton, Iowa, some of the questions posed to the New York Senator were planned in advance, planting some audience members in the crowd.

On Tuesday Nov. 6, the Clinton campaign stopped at a biodiesel plant in Newton as part of a weeklong series of events to introduce her new energy plan. The event was clearly intended to be as much about the press as the Iowa voters in attendance, as a large press core helped fill the small venue. Reporters from many major national news outlets came to the small Iowa town, from such media giants as The New York Times, Los Angeles Times, the Associated Press, and CNN.

After her speech, Clinton accepted questions. But according to Grinnell College student Muriel Gallo-Chasanoff ’10, some of the questions from the audience were planned in advance. “They were canned,” she said. Before the event began, a Clinton staff member approached Gallo-Chasanoff to ask a specific question after Clinton’s speech. “One of the senior staffers told me what [to ask],” she said.

Major Garrett at FNC zeroes in on the scripted query:
The tape of the event shows that the question and answer went as follows:

Question: “As a young person, I’m worried about the long-term effects of global warming How does your plan combat climate change?

Clinton: “Well, you should be worried. You know, I find as I travel around Iowa that it’s usually young people that ask me about global warming.”

The campaign’s admission that it planted the question may be another blow to the New York senator’s image as a trustworthy politician.

Clinton’s critics have accused her of being a double-talker who refuses to answer tough questions specifically. Now her campaign has acknowledged planting at least one question.
The Democrat-on-Democrat pile-on continues. Grab your popcorn for a ringside seat:

“In light of a weak debate performance, not to mention a persistent inability to answer the tough questions, it appears the Clinton campaign has adopted a new strategy of planting questions,” John Edwards’ Communications Director Chris Kofinis said.
“It’s what the Clinton campaign calls the politics of planting.”

The practice of planting audience members to ask specific questions does not appear to be a common practice, or at least not a politically acceptable one. “Our campaign does not plant questions,” said Lauren Rose, Communications Director for Governor Bill Richardson’s campaign. When asked what she would think of other campaigns who did plant audience members, Rose said, “I think campaigns should give Iowa caucus-goers the chance to ask the questions they want.”
.http://michellemalkin.com/2007/11/10/hillarys-control-freak-campaign-the-politics-of-planting-questions/
...and you have a persuasive argument.

[Elrathin]

I love the idiot mindset of some conservatives. If it is a conservative heckling Hillary, they are a plant by Hillary, however if they are a liberal heckling say Thompson they are just dirty liberals. Those conservatives that think along those mindsets are idiots.

[AmericanDreamer]

"Can we turn the lights on? It's awfully dark," Senator Clinton said, signalling for police to come forward and take the men away.

Sounds like she has the power to unleash the pitbulls with a "code phrase". Kind of like those "secret handshakes" that secret-squirrel societies use. What happened to freedom of speech, or does it depend on who's speaking?

I love the idiot mindset of some conservatives. If it is a conservative heckling Hillary, they are a plant by Hillary, however if they are a liberal heckling say Thompson they are just dirty liberals. Those conservatives that think along those mindsets are idiots.

Yes, it is true. It is also true that BOTH parties use tactics like the one described in order to further their cause. Both Dems and Reps aloke have planted people in the crowds to either ask questions or to chant slogans. It's politics, remember. There always have been "dirty liberals" and "dirty republicans", and there always will be. But that doesn't mean we have to follow suit.

[preservanation]

Hi AD.
Are you just rising, or are you fully awake yet?

The thing is that Hillary has been caught at it most often, probably because she does it most often. Every time she is caught she denies it categorically...then blames it on the "vast RW conspiracy"...then blames it on her "nebulous staff" and says she was not aware of it...then apologises and says it "will never happen again.
On to the next one....

Her credibility is wearing thin, not only with me, but others...Look at the polls. Not a bad indication that this country views Hillary as unfavorable.

[Elrathin]

She has never been "Caught" planting people, she has been accused of it. A difference many conservatives don't understand.

The credibility of many conservatives have already been lost cause they have no proof she approved of nor personally planted people.

[AmericanDreamer]

She has never been "Caught" planting people, she has been accused of it. A difference many conservatives don't understand.

The credibility of many conservatives have already been lost cause they have no proof she approved of nor personally planted people.

Has there ever been a Republican "caught" doing it?

[Elrathin]

Has there ever been a Republican "caught" doing it?


My point being AD, innocent until PROVEN guilty. I don't care if people THINK she planted someone, but to label it as fact is a another story when they don't provide proof.

Opinion is fine, labeling it as fact is another.

[AmericanDreamer]

Has there ever been a Republican "caught" doing it?

My point being AD, innocent until PROVEN guilty. I don't care if people THINK she planted someone, but to label it as fact is a another story when they don't provide proof.
Opinion is fine, labeling it as fact is another.

So if both parties are innocent until proven guilty, then both are off the hook for now. That leaves us with the FACT that she thwarted freedom of speech by signalling for police to take the men away. Sounds like she didn't like what they said (planted or not), had them carted away (for voicing their opinion), and then made a politically wonderful statement to all regarding the "iron" statement made(followed by mass cheers). Maybe a propaganda machine, maybe not. I wonder if every politician has the same power to silence american opinions.

Point well taken. I will research this further.

[Saigio]

So, if having hecklers removed from an event for being, basically, morons, is abridging free speech, then anywhere that that has happened should come under fire. I mean, it seems as if what happened was there were the mysoginists heckling Hillary, and she was trying to give a speech. The heckling has interfering with her speech, and they were removed because they caused a scene. If we are to allow this then we would have to allow people to be loud and obnoxious during movies, plays, concerts, in restraunts, and so forth. Are the requests for quiet at theatres and concert halls abridging free speech too? If an usher removes me from a movie theater for making noise, is he violating my rights?

[AmericanDreamer]

Let's revisit the "planting questions" issue:



Has there ever been a Republican "caught" doing it?

My point being AD, innocent until PROVEN guilty. I don't care if people THINK she planted someone, but to label it as fact is a another story when they don't provide proof.

Opinion is fine, labeling it as fact is another.

Well, I did my research and this is what I found:
"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html

There is also a video at that link, as the written words are sometimes confusing to read.

Some more proof for you that she has done it:
"Clinton Campaign Confirms Planting Town Hall Question, Says It Won't Happen Again"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?

[AlonzoMourning23]

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?

I stole money as a kid. How is that proof I stole your money when you accused me of it?

Besides, she planted a question to answer. There's a little bit of a difference.

[AmericanDreamer]

So, if having hecklers removed from an event for being, basically, morons, is abridging free speech, then anywhere that that has happened should come under fire. I mean, it seems as if what happened was there were the mysoginists heckling Hillary, and she was trying to give a speech. The heckling has interfering with her speech, and they were removed because they caused a scene. If we are to allow this then we would have to allow people to be loud and obnoxious during movies, plays, concerts, in restraunts, and so forth. Are the requests for quiet at theatres and concert halls abridging free speech too? If an usher removes me from a movie theater for making noise, is he violating my rights?

So would you agree that removing the people from the "CODE PINK" organization when they start "heckling" at political events is fair?

Kind of off topic: Check out CODE PINK's "Join the Movement" page on their site.

http://codepinkalert.org/userdata_display.php?modin=54

Notice that there is not one man, except for the old gentleman with the blue shirt and camara, in on their sites main picture. Not even a PINK homosexual, nor a PINK communist, and not even the PINK panther:)
"Ah, the remnants of sexism, alive and well." Recognize the quote? I guess it goes both ways. So much for promoting equality.


I stole money as a kid. How is that proof I stole your money when you accused me of it?
Besides, she planted a question to answer. There's a little bit of a difference.

You are right. No one should be held accountable for things they did as children. Childhood is the time that a person learns the golden rules of life. I agree with you.

On the other hand, Hilary is an adult and should be held to a higher standard than a child. That is more than a "little bit" of a difference. Hilary has political agenda for what she does, which crosses over into the realm of dishonesty. A child's agenda for stealing a cookie is because it tastes grrrrrreat...kind of like frosted flakes.

Planting questions misleads the very people that support her, and in this case, blindly.

[preservanation]

She has never been "Caught" planting people, she has been accused of it. A difference many conservatives don't understand.

The credibility of many conservatives have already been lost cause they have no proof she approved of nor personally planted people.
Proven?
I don't know if they were held in front of a Magistrate, but admissions of Hillary staff members should suffice.
One day after Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign confirmed that a staffer planted a question for the presidential candidate at a recent campaign stop, another person has come forward with a similar story. http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3848826&page=1

Click above.
It's from ABC, not FNC, so you can do it in good conscience.

[Elrathin]

So 1 question was planted and that means that hecklers are now plants? Gimme a break. Your reasoning is illogical.

And AD from your source:

"On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Senator Clinton's energy plan at a forum,” Elliethee said.

“However, Senator Clinton did not know which questioners she was calling on during the event. This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again.”

In other words, it was not Oked by Clinton, nor planted directly by Clinton. Thank you.

[Truth_and_Power]

I'm still laughing about the freedom of speech rationale for criticism. Partisanship can lead you to some really funny statements if you don't think about it first.

[AlonzoMourning23]

So when you get caught doing something, every single accusation made against you that is even remotely similar is instantly proven by bringing up that time you were caught doing something, somewhat similar?

And, again, I still say there's a difference between planting hecklers and planting actual questions. The question just provides a way to make a point you may have been wanting to make. I'm not overly concerned, and I didn't say much when Bush or FEMA or whatever group in the administration was caught doing it a while ago. As long as it is only a question or two, and not the entire Q&A session I'm not that concerned. It's not like they're fabricating their response.

Now planting someone to harass you just to generate sympathy is something that is significant, there's no reliable evidence of that here.

[preservanation]

El, It's not reasoning...it is a reasonable likelihood.
Did you read what I posted?
I want to know, and so should you.
She is a possible nominee of your party...even if you don't care, maybe other Dems do. Why deny them the option to know the truth and tactics of a potential candidate in their own party?

[Elrathin]

El, It's not reasoning...it is a reasonable likelihood.
Did you read what I posted?
I want to know, and so should you.
She is a possible nominee of your party...even if you don't care, maybe other Dems do. Why deny them the option to know the truth and tactics of a potential candidate in their own party?


It was not Oked by her nor directly planted by her. Yes, I read the link, did you read what I quoted from AD source?

As for party, I am not a registered Dem Pres, so how is she a candidate of MY party?

[AmericanDreamer]

So 1 question was planted and that means that hecklers are now plants? Gimme a break. Your reasoning is illogical.

And AD from your source:

"On this occasion a member of our staff did discuss a possible question about Senator Clinton's energy plan at a forum,” Elliethee said.

“However, Senator Clinton did not know which questioners she was calling on during the event. This is not standard policy and will not be repeated again.”

In other words, it was not Oked by Clinton, nor planted directly by Clinton. Thank you.


Clinton's campaign headquarters confirmed that they planted the question, and they work for Hilary. So now she doesn't support the decisions of her own staff?? That may explain it all.

Hecklers have nothing to do with the fundamental arguement. Don't divert from the FACT that they planted questions, please.

Also,

I'm still laughing about the freedom of speech rationale for criticism. Partisanship can lead you to some really funny statements if you don't think about it first.


Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.

Ya know AD, if the pigs actually had something intelligent to say then you may have a point. But the idiots here lacked the intelligence of a typical 5 year old, and probably still use grunts and clubs to the head as a means of communication. Who says evolution is an equal opportunity phenomenon?

[preservanation]

Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.

Ya know AD, if the pigs actually had something intelligent to say then you may have a point. But the idiots here lacked the intelligence of a typical 5 year old, and probably still use grunts and clubs to the head as a means of communication. Who says evolution is an equal opportunity phenomenon?
You forgot. Conservatives don't believe in Evolution.

If you want to believe that you came from out of a Flintstone cartoon, go ahead, but you still have a long way to go untill you even reach Scooby Doo.
My guess is that you'll never reach the SpongeBoblopithecus stage.

[Elrathin]

Don't divert from the FACT that they planted questions, please.

Don't divert from the fact it was ONE question, not multiple. And that still does not mean that each and everytime a heckler for Hillary comes means that SHE planted them there.


Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.


So I should be able to attend a Bush rally and heckle him during it without getting removed right?[hr]
You forgot. Conservatives don't believe in Evolution.


So NO conservatives do huh? Hmmm I seem to have missed that one in the conservative manual, care to show that to me where ALL conservatives are not supposed to believe in evolution?

[AmericanDreamer]

Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.

Ya know AD, if the pigs actually had something intelligent to say then you may have a point. But the idiots here lacked the intelligence of a typical 5 year old, and probably still use grunts and clubs to the head as a means of communication. Who says evolution is an equal opportunity phenomenon?

What pig's are you referring to?? Curious.

Remember that I actually agree that hecklers idiots, doinf things for attention. But we are talking about campign leaders planting "things", whether they are hecklers, questions, drugs, etc...

It's a way to achive an outcome for your political agenda. It's happened for years. They are also referred to as smear campaigns at times. Everyone does it. You need FACTS about that?

I always respect my opponent, no matter what their viewpoint is.:)

[AlonzoMourning23]

Laughing is a way to deal with it. One person's freedom of speech is another persons heckling.

Open your minds, and don't be stuck in what you are told to think.

Ya know AD, if the pigs actually had something intelligent to say then you may have a point. But the idiots here lacked the intelligence of a typical 5 year old, and probably still use grunts and clubs to the head as a means of communication. Who says evolution is an equal opportunity phenomenon?
You forgot. Conservatives don't believe in Evolution.


I didn't even think of that! You're right, they probably are conservative.

[AmericanDreamer]

So I should be able to attend a Bush rally and heckle him during it without getting removed right
Well, that depends on how much money the opposing party pays you.:)

[AlonzoMourning23]

What pig's are you referring to?? Curious.

Remember that I actually agree that hecklers idiots, doinf things for attention. But we are talking about campign leaders planting "things", whether they are hecklers, questions, drugs, etc...

It's a way to achive an outcome for your political agenda. It's happened for years. They are also referred to as smear campaigns at times. Everyone does it. You need FACTS about that?

I always respect my opponent, no matter what their viewpoint is.:)


The pigs are the hecklers. You haven't shown any proof or even credible evidence that these were plants. But the viewpoints of these idiots don't deserve respect. Respect should be earned, shouting "iron my shirt" means you don't deserve it.

[AmericanDreamer]

The pigs are the hecklers. You haven't shown any proof or even credible evidence that these were plants. But the viewpoints of these idiots don't deserve respect. Respect should be earned, shouting "iron my shirt" means you don't deserve it.

Is it possible that they were "planted" by Hilary, given that her staff has used the same strategy before. The FACTS show that it's not beyond her to do that, so it is possible. Would you agree on that point, and only that point?

[AlonzoMourning23]

Anything is possible. It's possible that Bill Clinton has had people murdered, as some claim. It's possible that Hillary is a lesbian, as some claim. A lot is possible. They all lack credible evidence though and really aren't even worthy of serious discussion at this point.

[Elrathin]

The FACTS show that it's not beyond her to do that, so it is possible. Would you agree on that point, and only that point?


The FACTS show it is not beyond her to possible plant a question, not a heckler. There is a BIG difference between the two.

Aside from preservanation's paranoia that he THINKS Hillary planted the Heckler, there is no supporting facts to show that.

[AmericanDreamer]

What pig's are you referring to?? Curious.

Remember that I actually agree that hecklers idiots, doinf things for attention. But we are talking about campign leaders planting "things", whether they are hecklers, questions, drugs, etc...

It's a way to achive an outcome for your political agenda. It's happened for years. They are also referred to as smear campaigns at times. Everyone does it. You need FACTS about that?

I always respect my opponent, no matter what their viewpoint is.:)


You haven't shown any proof or even credible evidence that these were plants.
You have seen the credible evidence that Hilary's people have planted questions. It's already been posted. Should I post that evidence again? That is in the character of what she represents, good or bad.

Anything is possible. It's possible that Bill Clinton has had people murdered, as some claim. It's possible that Hillary is a lesbian, as some claim. A lot is possible. They all lack credible evidence though and really aren't even worthy of serious discussion at this point.

As far as Bill Clinton murdering people, that is a far stretch. But as you know, ALL presidents have made decisions causiong the death of innocent people. Shall I post that evidence also? With all due respect, maybe you should look it up instead so no one can claim that that my evidence is biased.

As far as Hilary being a lesbian, well...lucky Bill.

[preservanation]

Local Radio Station Stunt Targets Clinton
SALEM, N.H. (WBZ) ― It was quite a final day of campaigning for Hillary Clinton on Monday.

First, her public display of emotion, and then she was subjected to what appears to be a sexist protest.

Two men, believed to be part of a WBCN radio station stunt, interrupted her speech at a campaign stop in Salem, New Hampshire and began screaming "iron my shirt."

Clinton laughed and then responded. "Can we turn the lights on? It's awfully dark in here for everybody."

Once the lights were raised, everyone in the auditorium was able to see the two hecklers who caused the commotion.

The men were removed from the hall after the interruption. Sen. Clinton told the crowd that the incident demonstrated that she's trying to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling. So there is absolutely no indication that they were republicans or dems.
So you have to figure out why someone would do this or if it was in anyway abetted or encouraged....Hillary is spiraling down the drain in NH.

Why would the GOP send surrogates there to act stupid and pour sand on Hillary's brush fire, and giving her the sexism ticket which she can display like a pompom in the hands of an excited cheerleader?
Why would Obama do it?
For the same reason.

Is this a strategy from Clinton INC? Well... she is the Only One who would benefit.
...So there.

Saying that, I believe that it could have been that radio-station that banked on publicity, notoriety, listeners and subsequently ad revenue.

....Maybe a little manila envelope, from an "anonymous" address showed up on the desk of the radio show producer with some money and an invite in it,
My bet is, that this wouldn't come from anyone else other than from the source which had the most to gain.
You figure it out.

[AmericanDreamer]

I second the motion:thumbsup:

[ViolaLee]

So there is absolutely no indication that they were republicans or dems.


You would have to find out if WBCN radio station is a right wing or a left wing radio station.

[preservanation]

Good point, VL.

But money trumps political leanings in business very often.
Just ask the oil companies...

[ViolaLee]

Good point, VL.

But money trumps political leanings in business very often.
Just ask the oil companies...

And Republican politicians gear more towards protecting big money corporations, so you can do the math.

;)

[preservanation]

More likely the producer of that station was in the vein of Opie and Anthony out of NY, and are just apolitical nihilists who are just looking to get what I described in a previous post...and to get more chicks.

[AmericanDreamer]

So there is absolutely no indication that they were republicans or dems.


You would have to find out if WBCN radio station is a right wing or a left wing radio station.

If we did that, then we'd have to do that with ALL sources of FACTS. Now that would take all the fun out of posting, wouldn't it?:)

[ViolaLee]

I still wonder if there would be more outrage if someone went to an Obama rally and shouted pick my cotton.

I think sexism is more alive and well than racism these days.

[AmericanDreamer]

And Republican politicians gear more towards protecting big money corporations, so you can do the math.

;)

Yes, this is true. Look for yourself.

http://reclaimdemocracy.org/articles/2007/democrats_corporate_lobbyists.php

I also respect the underdog that struggles to have their voice heard. One would think that money makes the world go round.
I think I'll read some Darwin...:innocent:, or maybe listen to some Earth Wind and Fire singing "That's the Way of the World"...

[AlonzoMourning23]

You have seen the credible evidence that Hilary's people have planted questions. It's already been posted. Should I post that evidence again? That is in the character of what she represents, good or bad.

Go ahead post it again. Remember to put in bold the part that provides evidence related to the hecklers.


As far as Bill Clinton murdering people, that is a far stretch. But as you know, ALL presidents have made decisions causiong the death of innocent people. Shall I post that evidence also? With all due respect, maybe you should look it up instead so no one can claim that that my evidence is biased.

Go ahead and post the evidence that doesn't involve war.

As far as Hilary being a lesbian, well...lucky Bill.


Actually, if you saw the recent rumored girlfriend, I think lucky Hillary is much more appropriate.

[preservanation]

Actually, if you saw the recent rumored girlfriend, I think lucky Hillary is much more appropriate.
Theda Bara's dating Bill?????
Call the NYT, they'll run it.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Hehe, many conservatives would probably prefer someone dated a corpse like Bara than a Muslim like Hillary's supposed girlfriend:

http://www.nohillaryclinton.com/blog/blog_images/huma_hillary.jpg

Not sure where those conservatives stand on dating Muslim corpses though.

[AmericanDreamer]

You have seen the credible evidence that Hilary's people have planted questions. It's already been posted. Should I post that evidence again? That is in the character of what she represents, good or bad.

Go ahead post it again. Remember to put in bold the part that provides evidence related to the hecklers.
Please don't spin my post. I never said that there was evidence related to the hecklers. Read what I said please. Nevertheless, I will re-post the FACTS regarding Hillary's campaign planting questions.

"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/c...index.html

Enough said about that one.



As far as Bill Clinton murdering people, that is a far stretch. But as you know, ALL presidents have made decisions causiong the death of innocent people. Shall I post that evidence also? With all due respect, maybe you should look it up instead so no one can claim that that my evidence is biased.

Go ahead and post the evidence that doesn't involve war.

I never said that I had evidence that didn't involve war? Where did you read that? Maybe you are confused a different post. In fact, I stated that "Bill Clinton murdering people" was a far stretch.

I can post evidence that shows many innocent people have died due to decisions that all presidents have made, but I won't, since you agree with that (common sense). Nice try, but no cigar (not a monica pun).



As far as Hilary being a lesbian, well...lucky Bill.

Actually, if you saw the recent rumored girlfriend, I think lucky Hillary is much more appropriate.

That was humor to minimize the shock of truth.:) Whether she is lesbian or not, I don't really care. Actually, the fact that Hillary is rumored to have a girlfriend, as you stated, is another indication of someones character, or at least how the media behaves. That is news to me.

Bill cheated on Hillary once=Bill will probably cheat again
Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it again

Why does a woman like Hillary, who is hellbent on family values, stay in a marraige with a man who cheated on her and broke his vows...in front of America? Sounds like a contradiction to me. Once bitten, twice shy.

Come on now, who in their right mind would...well...you know.:)
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/Hillary-Clinton-eyes.jpg

I appreciate your posts, and respect your opinion, but stop with the "YOU KNOW WHO" style of liberal spin and misquoting. Enough said, I'm outa this thread!

[preservanation]

Bill cheated on Hillary once=Bill will probably cheat again
Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it againIs that math?
LOL, you kill me.

[AmericanDreamer]

Bill cheated on Hillary once=Bill will probably cheat again
Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it againIs that math?
LOL, you kill me.

The formula is the following:

1 fact + 1 theory = probability

That is MY kind of math:thumbsup:

[preservanation]

Bill cheated on Hillary once=Bill will probably cheat again
Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it againIs that math?
LOL, you kill me.

The formula is the following:

1 fact + 1 theory = probability

That is MY kind of math:thumbsup:
What no Pythagoras, Galileo or Dr Phil?
I'm disappointed.

[Labrocca]

I think these jokers were plants so Hillary could play the sexism victim card. It's only one of a couple cards left in her hand right now.

"Ah, the remnants of sexism, alive and well," Clinton said.
And low and behold, Malkin agrees with me!
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/07/bs-alert-hillarys-iron-my-shirt-hecklers/
Very interesting.


My thoughts exactly. I don't see how "iron my shirt" is a creative sexist remark. On one hand it's surely sexist but on the other it does a way too good of a job to place Hillary as a victim. Politicians are staging things. Giuliani has done it and I don't put it past Hillary either.

Who can imagine any sexist in their right mind would say to themselves "hey let's go to a hillary rally and disturb it with signs saying "iron my shirt"...it's a ludicrous concept.

[ViolaLee]

"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/c...index.html

Enough said about that one.Apparently not. This is what you get when you click your link.

The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

You'll have to do a little better than that.



Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it again

Please provide a valid source for this.

Why does a woman like Hillary, who is hellbent on family values, stay in a marraige with a man who cheated on her and broke his vows...in front of America? Sounds like a contradiction to me. Once bitten, twice shy.Do you know what family values means?

:madlaugh:


I appreciate your posts, and respect your opinion, but stop with the "YOU KNOW WHO" style of liberal spin and misquoting. Enough said, I'm outa this thread!


Post links to no where, make strange statements about family values and then run away?

:bye: :lmao: :unreal:

[AlonzoMourning23]

You have seen the credible evidence that Hilary's people have planted questions. It's already been posted. Should I post that evidence again? That is in the character of what she represents, good or bad.

Go ahead post it again. Remember to put in bold the part that provides evidence related to the hecklers.
Please don't spin my post. I never said that there was evidence related to the hecklers. Read what I said please. Nevertheless, I will re-post the FACTS regarding Hillary's campaign planting questions.

"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/c...index.html

Enough said about that one.



As far as Bill Clinton murdering people, that is a far stretch. But as you know, ALL presidents have made decisions causiong the death of innocent people. Shall I post that evidence also? With all due respect, maybe you should look it up instead so no one can claim that that my evidence is biased.

Go ahead and post the evidence that doesn't involve war.

I never said that I had evidence that didn't involve war? Where did you read that? Maybe you are confused a different post. In fact, I stated that "Bill Clinton murdering people" was a far stretch.

I can post evidence that shows many innocent people have died due to decisions that all presidents have made, but I won't, since you agree with that (common sense). Nice try, but no cigar (not a monica pun).



As far as Hilary being a lesbian, well...lucky Bill.

Actually, if you saw the recent rumored girlfriend, I think lucky Hillary is much more appropriate.

That was humor to minimize the shock of truth.:) Whether she is lesbian or not, I don't really care. Actually, the fact that Hillary is rumored to have a girlfriend, as you stated, is another indication of someones character, or at least how the media behaves. That is news to me.

Bill cheated on Hillary once=Bill will probably cheat again
Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it again

Why does a woman like Hillary, who is hellbent on family values, stay in a marraige with a man who cheated on her and broke his vows...in front of America? Sounds like a contradiction to me. Once bitten, twice shy.

Come on now, who in their right mind would...well...you know.:)
http://www.judiciaryreport.com/images/Hillary-Clinton-eyes.jpg

I appreciate your posts, and respect your opinion, but stop with the "YOU KNOW WHO" style of liberal spin and misquoting. Enough said, I'm outa this thread!


What a long way of saying "I have no evidence showing Hillary planted the hecklers".

[ViolaLee]

My thoughts exactly. I don't see how "iron my shirt" is a creative sexist remark. On one hand it's surely sexist but on the other it does a way too good of a job to place Hillary as a victim. Politicians are staging things. Giuliani has done it and I don't put it past Hillary either.

Who can imagine any sexist in their right mind would say to themselves "hey let's go to a hillary rally and disturb it with signs saying "iron my shirt"...it's a ludicrous concept.


I'd say you should probably stop spreading false stories about Hillary planting sexist assholes unless you have proof. The original quote said they were connected to a radio station. Now suddenly the extreme right nutjobs are saying Hillary planted them and you believe that? Egads as boogy says.

You can't imagine what an idiotic sexist asshole would do because you aren't one. I can't imagine how a racist can say 'those were the good old days" when talking about lynching black people, but our racist friend on this board said just that thing a little while ago.

Ludicrous. Unimaginable. Both. To us. We aren't racist or sexist assholes.

[AmericanDreamer]

What a long way of saying "I have no evidence showing Hillary planted the hecklers".

Come on now. I will repeat myself one more time. I never claimed that she planted the hecklers. READ MY POST CLOSELY. But since I encourage good debate, please do educate me and show me where I posted that she definately did plant them. If you find that I said that she planted hecklers, I will eat my hat.

I hope the case is that you misunderstood what I posted. No harm if you did, as you will still be on my christmas list :)

And another thing:
I can't imagine how a racist can say 'those were the good old days" when talking about lynching black people, but our racist friend on this board said just that thing a little while ago.
If this is true, who was it that said that. I'll be the first one calling them out on that remark (as long is it wasn't taken out of context):fight:

[AlonzoMourning23]

Well, I did my research and this is what I found:
"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/c...index.html

There is also a video at that link, as the written words are sometimes confusing to read.

Some more proof for you that she has done it:
"Clinton Campaign Confirms Planting Town Hall Question, Says It Won't Happen Again"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?

[Pookie]

What a long way of saying "I have no evidence showing Hillary planted the hecklers".

Come on now. I will repeat myself one more time. I never claimed that she planted the hecklers. READ MY POST CLOSELY. But since I encourage good debate, please do educate me and show me where I posted that she definately did plant them. If you find that I said that she planted hecklers, I will eat my hat.

I hope the case is that you misunderstood what I posted. No harm if you did, as you will still be on my christmas list :)

And another thing:
I can't imagine how a racist can say 'those were the good old days" when talking about lynching black people, but our racist friend on this board said just that thing a little while ago.
If this is true, who was it that said that. I'll be the first one calling them out on that remark (as long is it wasn't taken out of context):fight:


Dreamer, that racist remark was made by KDKDK and the comment can be found in Fool's Paradise under Lynching Postcards (or something like that).

Also, yes, Hillary did admit planting the student and the question, and also, well, geez, she's a woman, and of course some men are not going to like the idea that she may be our next (urrpp) President. So, they showed their opinion of her in a chauvanistic way not unusual for people even in this day and time.
Purrs,
Pookie

[AmericanDreamer]

Thank's Pookie for the comments. I just wanted to clear things up and not be misquoted. It's too bad that you have to clean up someone elses mess, but I understand your good intention. :) You are a voice of reason.
I will support whoever is voted in. Man or woman, red, brown, white, or even furry with a soft black coat.
It really would have been fair for aresponse from Alonzo to my post, since she obviously did not agree with me. But I guess that's how it goes sometimes in debate land.
As far as the racist remark that was said, I will research it, and if it is true and not taken out of context, I will deal with it in a proper and respectful way.

[ViolaLee]

Thank's Pookie for the comments. I just wanted to clear things up and not be misquoted. It's too bad that you have to clean up someone elses mess, ......Who's mess did Pookie clean up? Besides her kitty cat's?
As far as the racist remark that was said, I will research it, and if it is true and not taken out of context, I will deal with it in a proper and respectful way.
You're still having those moderator fantasies?

[AmericanDreamer]

"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
htp://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/c...index.html

Enough said about that one.Apparently not. This is what you get when you click your link.

The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

You'll have to do a little better than that.
Ooops...I guess I made a typo. I'm only human. Here is the CORRECTED link, for those who TRUST in Violalee:

"Student describes how she became a Clinton plant"
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html




Hillary planted questions once=Hillary will probably do it again

Please provide a valid source for this.

This was meant as HUMOR, and you took it out of context, like you usually do. Besides that, it's the probability that it happened. If you read the brief post, you would understand that it was my math theory, which is not FACTUAL and kind of JOKING. More important, the husband (Bill) cheated on the wife (Hillary), and the wife (Hillary) fooled her followers (You) by having questions planted. THOSE ARE BOTH FACTS.


Why does a woman like Hillary, who is hellbent on family values, stay in a marraige with a man who cheated on her and broke his vows...in front of America? Sounds like a contradiction to me. Once bitten, twice shy.Do you know what family values means?
:madlaugh:
DON'T QUESTION ME ABOUT FAMILY VALUES. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT? On a lighter note, I do know that cheating on your spouse is not a family value. Neither is cheating your democratic family by fooling them. Enough said.

Post links to no where, make strange statements about family values and then run away?
:bye: :lmao: :unreal:

Wow, aren't you a nice person to debate.

I corrected the link, the Bill/Hillary/Family Value issue speaks for itself, and the running away statement...well, here I am here answering your questions and clearing up your attempt to confuse and divert. You have decided to go there again, and you were warned.



Thank's Pookie for the comments. I just wanted to clear things up and not be misquoted. It's too bad that you have to clean up someone elses mess, ......Who's mess did Pookie clean up? Besides her kitty cat's?
As far as the racist remark that was said, I will research it, and if it is true and not taken out of context, I will deal with it in a proper and respectful way.
You're still having those moderator fantasies?

You continue to tug the tigers tail. I don't want to be a moderator. I just don't like hypocrites, nor do I like racists. And I dealt with KDKDK in a proper way. Read the post I left for him. You always told me (and everyone) to back up facts with quotes. Just for grins, please check out he following link and then read the FACTS about your honesty:

1. Open Yahoo search engine.
2. Put in the 4 keywords: violalee politics online banned

I'll make it easy...here are the results:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=violalee+politics+online+banned&btn=Search&tab=Web&ei=UTF-8&fr=my-vert-web-top

Look at the number one search result very closely. Then you will understand the point I am making about honesty.

FACT: You were banned from a site (I can't imagine why), and then you re-registered on the same site with a different name (against the forum rules). YOU PREACH ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE DOING THIS (Scorpion/Bourne), YOU THROW YOUR HISSY FIT ABOUT IT, WHINE ABOUT REP POINTS, AND YOU DISRESPECT ME AND OTHERS WHEN YOU SHOULD CHILL. You are a genuine hypocrite. I'm not the only one here that feels that you act like a spoiled brat. The amount of PM's I recieved say it all, too bad they were lost in the crash. You should apologize to those that you accused (guilty or not) because you are in no position to be calling the kettle black. You shouldn't throw stones in a glass house.

[Labrocca]

I don't need anyone to give me talking points. The first thing I thought when I saw the video was that the guy was a plant. What makes some of you so certain it's not? I have no certainty either way just the possibility that it's a plant based on past events. I also admitted that Giuliani faked that call from his wife when talking with the NRA. It looked fake and so does this Hillary BS. I have my doubts and I am not spreading "stories" just my perspective on things.

You can't imagine what an idiotic sexist asshole would do because you aren't one.

Oh? You know for fact I am not a sexist? hehe...you better rethink that a bit

[potter]

I don't need anyone to give me talking points. The first thing I thought when I saw the video was that the guy was a plant. What makes some of you so certain it's not? I have no certainty either way just the possibility that it's a plant based on past events. I also admitted that Giuliani faked that call from his wife when talking with the NRA. It looked fake and so does this Hillary BS. I have my doubts and I am not spreading "stories" just my perspective on things.

You can't imagine what an idiotic sexist asshole would do because you aren't one.

Oh? You know for fact I am not a sexist? hehe...you better rethink that a bit



If it's not known for certian and only a hunch why even bring it up?

Based on past actions by republican politicians may we assume all republicans are closet gays or on the take in one way or another?

Smearing someone through innuendo with no basis in fact seems to be a republican political strong point. all it really is is bearing false witness.

[AlonzoMourning23]

It really would have been fair for aresponse from Alonzo to my post, since she obviously did not agree with me. But I guess that's how it goes sometimes in debate land.

Umm.... post 63 was my response.

[AmericanDreamer]

It really would have been fair for aresponse from Alonzo to my post, since she obviously did not agree with me. But I guess that's how it goes sometimes in debate land.

Umm.... post 63 was my response.


All you have to do is to read the FACTS about Hillary planting questions:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html

With all due respect Alonzo, your response (post 63) really doesn't have any response at all, being that you are just quoting me again. It is a non-response, but I imagine that you already know that. I will consider your non-response as you agreeing with, or at least protesting my arguement as well as my facts. Let's leave it at that and we'll see you at the next thread.:)

Once again, if you missed it, the link is:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html

I don't think I could be much clearer than that. My post was clear (Post # 67) Read it again if you wish. As perot said years ago, "The proof's in the Pudding". (FYI, I didn't vote for him either.)

[AlonzoMourning23]

AD you asked:

Come on now. I will repeat myself one more time. I never claimed that she planted the hecklers. READ MY POST CLOSELY. But since I encourage good debate, please do educate me and show me where I posted that she definately did plant them. If you find that I said that she planted hecklers, I will eat my hat.

That post would typically result in me showing you a quote you made. So once again:

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?

[AmericanDreamer]

AD you asked:

Come on now. I will repeat myself one more time. I never claimed that she planted the hecklers. READ MY POST CLOSELY. But since I encourage good debate, please do educate me and show me where I posted that she definately did plant them. If you find that I said that she planted hecklers, I will eat my hat.

That post would typically result in me showing you a quote you made. So once again:

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?


You are being non-responsive once again. There is not a quote of me stating that she planted hecklers. You are misinterpreting my post. Why take things out of context? You can spin things how you like, and this spin thing seems to be a common thing here. When you decide you want to respond logically, with FACTS, let me know. I am all ears.

For the last time, here is the proof that Hillary planted questions:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/13/clinton.planted/index.html

Ignore it and spin it all you want. I really didn't expect this spin tactic from you. :( It's the blind following the blind, and you know what I mean.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Ok, so that was not you showing evidence on the question that she planted hecklers. Sure looks like it, but if you want to say otherwise then go ahead.

[AmericanDreamer]

TUNE IN AND OBSERVE THE PROCESS OF UNCOVERING "SPIN":[

AD you asked:
Come on now. I will repeat myself one more time. I never claimed that she planted the hecklers. READ MY POST CLOSELY. But since I encourage good debate, please do educate me and show me where I posted that she definately did plant them. If you find that I said that she planted hecklers, I will eat my hat.

That post would typically result in me showing you a quote you made. So once again:

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?
And then you added:

Ok, so that was not you showing evidence on the question that she planted hecklers. Sure looks like it, but if you want to say otherwise then go ahead.

Is it common practice on this forum to "spin" FACTS and "take things out of context". It seems so. Alonzo, you are good, but not that good. You have taken my quote COMPLETELY out of context by ommiting the the beginning of it. Shame, shame, shame. Not very ethical.

Here is my origional post (#21) that refers to what you are quoting me as saying. Please take the time to read Post 21 again:

Some more proof for you that she has done it:
"Clinton Campaign Confirms Planting Town Hall Question, Says It Won't Happen Again"
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html

She has done it before, and would do it again. It's called a person's character, and she has shown hers.

There's your proof honest Hilary has been caught with her hand in the political cookie jar. Guilty as charged. Of course, ask if she has done it since and Hilary's people will deny it...wouldn't you?

You want others to buy into your spin?? Not gonna happen. I was referring to Hillary planting questions, and you TRY to make it seem like I said she was caught planting hecklers. WRONG. The link that I refer to (Post #21) deals with planted questions, nothing more.

Look at it again, FYI:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310316,00.html
Planted questions, not planted hecklers.

You have proven that you do not debate honestly (at least with me). Or maybe it is an oversight on your part (I doubt it). I know that your agenda and your alliance to your cause is biased, even if it is proven that your SPIN ZONE is worst than Bill O'Reilly's. :shame: and :unreal:

I think I made my point. Will this warrant neg rep from you? Just curious?

"Next caller, you're on the air..."

[AlonzoMourning23]

Ok then AD, to clarify, you agree that you have absolutely no evidence that Hillary planted those hecklers? If you agree then I have nothing to say.

[ViolaLee]

I have to agree with alonzo. You said she is guilty as charged and if she did it once she did it again.

You seem to think once someone does something, they are guilty forever of repeating that for the rest of their lives.

[AmericanDreamer]

Ok then AD, to clarify, you agree that you have absolutely no evidence that Hillary planted those hecklers? If you agree then I have nothing to say.

I don't agree with spin and diversion, and it doesn't seem like there is much you can say. That chip on your shoulder is getting bigger...

I have to agree with alonzo. You said she is guilty as charged and if she did it once she did it again.

You seem to think once someone does something, they are guilty forever of repeating that for the rest of their lives.

Can't fess up for your dishonesty...don't even want to debate it or bring it to the table."Birds of a feather flock together". Sad, but true.

Wonder if the other forums you feed on know your true colors. They'll eventually find out because the truth has a funny way of following people around.

The smart people here understand my point, and the followers refuse to open their eyes. Everyone else is busy doing what you are supposed to do here, which is to post fair and try to debate honestly.

Is this how it is in the other forums? Maybe I'll have to visit them to find out. :grrrr:

[AlonzoMourning23]

Ok then AD, to clarify, you agree that you have absolutely no evidence that Hillary planted those hecklers? If you agree then I have nothing to say.

I don't agree with spin and diversion, and it doesn't seem like there is much you can say. That chip on your shoulder is getting bigger...

The perfect non answer. :clapper:

[ViolaLee]

Ok then AD, to clarify, you agree that you have absolutely no evidence that Hillary planted those hecklers? If you agree then I have nothing to say.

I don't agree with spin and diversion, and it doesn't seem like there is much you can say. That chip on your shoulder is getting bigger...

I have to agree with alonzo. You said she is guilty as charged and if she did it once she did it again.

You seem to think once someone does something, they are guilty forever of repeating that for the rest of their lives.

Can't fess up for your dishonesty...don't even want to debate it or bring it to the table."Birds of a feather flock together". Sad, but true.

Wonder if the other forums you feed on know your true colors. They'll eventually find out because the truth has a funny way of following people around.

The smart people here understand my point, and the followers refuse to open their eyes. Everyone else is busy doing what you are supposed to do here, which is to post fair and try to debate honestly.

Is this how it is in the other forums? Maybe I'll have to visit them to find out. :grrrr:

What are you going on and on about in every thread you respond to me in? You're becoming a creepy stalker. Your vague accusations are lame and ridiculous.

So I'd like to hear your answer to Alonzo's question. Do you agree that you have absolutely no evidence that Hillary planted the hecklers?

[preservanation]

You're becoming a creepy stalker.Is there a hat for that?

[Mark L Hamburger]

You're becoming a creepy stalker.Is there a hat for that?


Maybe this one?
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[ViolaLee]

OMG is that him? LOL!

[preservanation]

The more I think about his the more I am convinced they were plants from the Hillary camp.
If they were not, we would have been treated to every aspect of their lives, who they were, what their political affiliation is, who they worked for, what magazines they read and the radio shows they listen to, as well as being charged with something. Instead they were whisked away and the cloak of unaminity closed over them. This Never happens with vocal Clinton detractors, normally they are raked over the coals and held up to national derision for all to see. This is not normal SOP for the Clinton Machine. That's for sure.

Furthermore...
"Iron my shirts"????
That is a reference to a feminist mantra from FORTY years ago. How old were these guys? Twenty?
This stinks like low tide on the Long Island Sound.

I am convinced they were plants.

[Elrathin]

Anyone that thinks these were plants should get their head examined for extreme paranoia. The fact they don't have proof, only accusations is telling.

[Saigio]

Anyone that thinks these were plants should get their head examined for extreme paranoia. The fact they don't have proof, only accusations is telling.


They very well my have been plants, but not nessecerily plants by Clinton.

[AlanC]

If they were plants, you only need to ask, who did they benefit?

If it was Hillary's campaign that planted them, it was a brilliant move.
Its called playing the gender card without being accused of playing the gender card.

If it was any other that did, they should be fired.

If the idiots did it on their own..... well stupid is as stupid does.

[preservanation]

Anyone that thinks these were plants should get their head examined for extreme paranoia. The fact they don't have proof, only accusations is telling.


They very well my have been plants, but not nessecerily plants by Clinton.
To AC's point.
Can you give me any other political entity who would have derived advantage for such a stunt?

Hillary..."Turn up the lights...The remnants of sexism is alive and well in America!"
What a golden opportunity to play one of the few cards left in her desperate hand. SEX.
If she had played it eleven years earlier , Bill's legacy have might have been different[hr]BTW...One of the plants had a Hillary Clinton sticker on his car.

The event does dovetail very well with her new-found theme of victim...actually not new.
When will using the gratuitous accusation of sexism become Sexist in the eyes of America.
IMO, it is long overdue

[Saigio]

The sticker is what makes this stink to me. What kind of person would organize such a ruse so poorly that it would be an obvious plant?

As for who benefits, if Hilary is accused of planting protesters, what candidates don't gain from such an event?

And on top of all of that, these may have been people acting on their own either in an effort to hurt Hilary's reputation or to boost it.

[preservanation]

Maybe, Saigio,
but why don't we know?
Malkin did a good expose on them but it is hardly complete. http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/07/bs-...-hecklers/
If Hillary Inc had been any way threatened by these cretins, their history would have been splashed all over the headlines...they weren't. What's up with that?

IMO it enabled her to play the sexism card...and that is exactly why they were planted.

[Mia]

Sounds like she handled that pretty well.

I wonder if there would be more outrage if some racists taunted Obama with pick my cotton or some other derogatory remark.

I suppose it's more OK to be sexist in American than racist these days?

I've heard several people say America is more ready for a black man than a woman President. Someone told me it's probably because black men got the right to vote before women did, and that shows which order equal rights goes in.

Remember the equal rights for women bill has still never been passed in the USA.


I think America is more ready for a female than a black, but the numbers seem to show we are ready for both (either)! :thumbsup:

I do think there would have been far more outrage over racist comments than sexist ones. But honestly, did it bother you or didn't you just think they were morons not even worth getting bothered over?

I thought it was funny, and she handled it great. Women all over the country are handling it great.

Blacks would be rioting in the streets had it been the other.

We don't need an equal rights amendment. We are covered under the 14th, and to make a separate one goes against the point that we are all equal - we don't need special protection, we get the same protection/rights as anyone.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

[preservanation]

Sounds like she handled that pretty well. Of course she handled well. She put them there and had her reaction down pat and her response was rehearsed.
I've heard several people say America is more ready for a black man than a woman President. Someone told me it's probably because black men got the right to vote before women did, and that shows which order equal rights goes in. What people say this? My guess is that they were libs.
This is exactly what concerns me about the left. They to seem to see equal rights on a graduating scale, instead of seeing that our rights apply to all Americans equally.
This statement about who deserves a right more is exactly what will happen if they get power and can implement this mind-set.
If one agrees with them, they dole the rights out of their Santa sack to all the good little boys and girls. If one is at odds with their nefarious aims...out comes the lump of coal. They will probably charge you with some sort of hate-crime, or fine you for hate speech and put the money in their pocket.

[Elrathin]

They to seem to see equal rights on a graduating scale, instead of seeing that our rights apply to all Americans equally.


Really? What black or woman candidates have the Republicans put up for presidential election? Oh yeah, NONE. Republicans seem to be the party of equality as long as you are a white and male.

[Mia]

What people say this? My guess is that they were libs.
This is exactly what concerns me about the left. They to seem to see equal rights on a graduating scale, instead of seeing that our rights apply to all Americans equally.
This statement about who deserves a right more is exactly what will happen if they get power and can implement this mind-set.

If one agrees with them, they dole the rights out of their Santa sack to all the good little boys and girls. If one is at odds with their nefarious aims...out comes the lump of coal. They will probably charge you with some sort of hate-crime, or fine you for hate speech and put the money in their pocket.




If you look at history among many cultures, men of all types almost always get rights before women of any type, and it is always a graduating scale. The US has been no different.


[hr]

They to seem to see equal rights on a graduating scale, instead of seeing that our rights apply to all Americans equally.


Really? What black or woman candidates have the Republicans put up for presidential election? Oh yeah, NONE. Republicans seem to be the party of equality as long as you are a white and male.


Naw - look at Rice. A Republican woman or black person just hasn't stepped up to the plate.

[ViolaLee]

Sounds like she handled that pretty well. Of course she handled well. She put them there and had her reaction down pat and her response was rehearsed.


I'm still waiting to see your proof. You keep making that allegation without any proof. It's your own personal swift boat smear campaign huh P?

Women got the right to vote 50 years after the black man did, in the USA.

The right is blasting Hillary much harder than they are blasting Obama and Hillary is more moderate even! If it were issues only, the right would have their hard on for Obama instead of Hillary.

[Mia]

The right is blasting Hillary much harder than they are blasting Obama and Hillary is more moderate even! If it were issues only, the right would have their hard on for Obama instead of Hillary.


They are harder on her because she is the real contender, and they all know she is the one they will be up against and can't beat! It would help them a lot if a weaker democrat got the nomination.:nana:

[preservanation]

The right is blasting Hillary much harder than they are blasting Obama and Hillary is more moderate even! If it were issues only, the right would have their hard on for Obama instead of Hillary.


They are harder on her because she is the real contender, and they all know she is the one they will be up against and can't beat! It would help them a lot if a weaker democrat got the nomination.:nana:
The left are always the ones who grade the quality of individuals on the basis of race or sex. It's interesting to know that the Dems think that a black male is weaker than a white female or visa-versa.
Every time I log on I learn something new.

[davo]

Women got the right to vote 50 years after the black man did, in the USA.


Not if you include Jim Crow laws. Wasn't until the 1960's that most blacks could freely vote.

It was the same deal here in Australia; aborigines were 'fauna' in the national census until 1967, when they became citizens and could vote.

[AmericanDreamer]

That's what you call putting the shrimp on the barbie.

[ViolaLee]

Mia and Preserva, I really don't know which one is more electable. I know that a white man doesn't have that worry, of racism or sexism. It sux that Obama and Clinton have that against them in middle America where they still want to have a debate about evolution and other ridiculous things.

[preservanation]

I see your point, lily.

I think the left is trying to figure out who the Conservatives are less biased of...gender or race. Thus support Barrak or Hilary accordingly.
This miscalculation of the Conservative movement in America and ignorance of it's members might very well lose the Dems the election.

The GOP has it's problems too, so it might just boil down to who is less stupid. Hardly an encouraging situation for us, the American people.