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[ViolaLee]

http://my.barackobama.com/page/event/detail/4vpfr

Volunteer Appreciation and Training - with Barbara Lee! (Meeting)
Join other Obama supports and current volunteers to find out about how you can get involved in spreading Barack Obama's message of change in your community. Current and new volunteers will receive important information on how the campaign will organize in January to convert the amazing amount of support for Barack Obama into votes on February 5th.
Time: Saturday, January 5 at 9:30 AM
Duration: 3 hours
Host: Lisa Dyson
Location: Obama Oakland Headquarters (Oakland, CA)
436 14th St., Suite 305
Oakland, CA 94612

Associated Groups: ! * African Americans for Barack Obama, Bay Area Black Folks for Barack, Berkeley for Barack, East Bay For Obama, UC Berkeley Students for Barack Obama
Directions: 12th street Bart, 14th Street exit. At the corner of 14th and Broadway.

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[AmericanDreamer]

Hmmm...Barbara Lee. Let's see where she stands on protecting this country, according to an interview with Mother Jones:

On September 15, the US Congress approved a resolution authorizing President Bush to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against anyone associated with the terrorist attacks of September 11. The measure passed 98-0 in the Senate and 420-1 in the House. The lone dissenting vote was a colonel's daughter and longtime maverick from California -- Democrat Barbara Lee.

"I am convinced that military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States," Lee said on the House floor on Sept. 15. "There must be some of us who say, 'Let's step back for a moment and think through the implications of our actions today -- let us more fully understand the consequences.'"
http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2001/09/lee.html

Question: Have there been any attacks on US soil since Bush used "all necessary and appropriate force" to protect this country? Lee's belief that "military action will not prevent further acts of international terrorism against the United States" was obviously wrong. Does Barbara Lee have the insight into world affairs? Can she pick the right candidate as well? I don't think so. I don't support everything Bush has done, but there have been some things that were necessary.

[ViolaLee]

Can you prove that there have been no attacks because we invaded Iraq?

I can prove there have been no attacks because there have been no attacks. ;)

Maybe it's because Al Qaeda is still planning the next attack, safely in Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan, because we are so busy losing American lives in Iraq, where there were no Al Qaeda before we invaded.

[AmericanDreamer]

Can you prove that there have been no attacks because we invaded Iraq?

I can prove there have been no attacks because there have been no attacks. ;)

Maybe it's because Al Qaeda is still planning the next attack, safely in Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan, because we are so busy losing American lives in Iraq, where there were no Al Qaeda before we invaded.


Come on now, Violalee, that doesn't make sense. You can prove there weren't any attacks because there weren't any attacks? Is this the reasoning that I've read about? In that case, I can prove that rain is wet because when it rains, I get wet. Obvious, eh?

You say 'Maybe it's because Al Qaeda is still planning the next attack, safely in Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan". And maybe Professor Plum is in the library with a candlestick, planning his next murder. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

Where are your FACTS that there were "no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded". The whole region was, and still is, filled with extremist that hate America and our way of living (however wonderful that is). NO Al Queda in Iraq before we invaded?? Please show me the FACTS that support this claim.

On a sidenote, Obama had a good speach.

[ViolaLee]

Come on now, Violalee, that doesn't make sense. Sure it does.
You can prove there weren't any attacks because there weren't any attacks? Exactly right.

Is this the reasoning that I've read about? In that case, I can prove that rain is wet because when it rains, I get wet. Obvious, eh? I don't know what you've read about but your catching on. You CAN prove that rain is wet because when it rains you get wet.

Can you prove that rain is wet because flowers are pretty?

No, just like you can't prove we haven't been attacked by terrorists because we invaded Iraq.

You say 'Maybe it's because Al Qaeda is still planning the next attack, safely in Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan". And maybe Professor Plum is in the library with a candlestick, planning his next murder. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe. But it's more likely than rain is wet because flowers are pretty.

Where are your FACTS that there were "no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded". The whole region was, and still is, filled with extremist that hate America and our way of living (however wonderful that is). NO Al Queda in Iraq before we invaded?? Please show me the FACTS that support this claim.
Man, I've been having this discussion for 5 years already, but OK.

The 9/11 commission found that Al Qaeda was not connected to Saddam. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

You should have learned that years ago. But now that you're aware of it, the NIE said that Al Qaeda is STRONGER because of our invasion of Iraq.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0718/p99s01-duts.html

So not only are you mistaken about our war in Iraq making us safer, you're actually believing the opposite of the truth, which is that our war in Iraq has made us LESS SAFE.

On a sidenote, Obama had a good speach.
Yes he did. And your acknowledging that is what contributed to my giving you pos rep tonight :)

[AmericanDreamer]

Violalee, do you think you could convince me with your deceptive rules of engagement? I don't think so.:fight:


Come on now, Violalee, that doesn't make sense. Sure it does.
You can prove there weren't any attacks because there weren't any attacks? Exactly right.
Why are you quoting me quoting you, and then agreeing with the same thing you said earlier?? Creepy.


Is this the reasoning that I've read about? In that case, I can prove that rain is wet because when it rains, I get wet. Obvious, eh? I don't know what you've read about but your catching on. You CAN prove that rain is wet because when it rains you get wet.
Thank you for agreeing with my comparison. I sure am glad that I'm catching on. As far as reading about your uncanny ability to misquote and twist the facts, you are definately being true to your reputation.
And then you go off on a tangent...

Can you prove that rain is wet because flowers are pretty?
No, just like you can't prove we haven't been attacked by terrorists because we invaded Iraq.
Once again, you are misquoting me in order to further your cause (whatever that cause may be). I never said we haven't been attacked by terrorists because we invaded Iraq.


You say 'Maybe it's because Al Qaeda is still planning the next attack, safely in Pakistan and parts of Afghanistan". And maybe Professor Plum is in the library with a candlestick, planning his next murder. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Maybe. But it's more likely than rain is wet because flowers are pretty.
What's with the flowers?? Enough already.


Where are your FACTS that there were "no Al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded". The whole region was, and still is, filled with extremist that hate America and our way of living (however wonderful that is). NO Al Queda in Iraq before we invaded?? Please show me the FACTS that support this claim.
Man, I've been having this discussion for 5 years already, but OK.
I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOUR FACTS.
Maybe 5 years is a bit too long to be having the same discussion. You seem to be obsessed with it, to the point that you will put aside common sense in order to further your cause.

The 9/11 commission found that Al Qaeda was not connected to Saddam. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html
WRONG. You are misquoting the article. 911 comish doesn't refer to both being not connected. The article clearly states: "The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda". Also, the report said that "there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation". Get the facts straight before you start misquoting.

...the NIE said that Al Qaeda is STRONGER because of our invasion of Iraq.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0718/p99s01-duts.html
Do you actually expect me to take the word of the Christian Science Monitor when I'm not even religious (not forgetting that they are also extreme in their views). Besides that, the link doesn't even work. How convenient.

So not only are you mistaken about our war in Iraq making us safer, you're actually believing the opposite of the truth, which is that our war in Iraq has made us LESS SAFE.
I never said any of what you are refering to. I was only refering to what Barbara Lee was quoted as saying, and you twisted in all directions in order to appear that you have come out on top. My fault...I allowed myself to get sucked into the ViolaVortex. Not too cool.

You have misquoted me and the Washington Post, you have twisted the facts, and you have dishonored the Shaolin Temple. No worries. I see very clear what has happened here and I must say you are staying true to form. You divert with things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. Not too cool. I hope you feel better now, especially after the rep victory. It was nice playing with you but I have to go home now.
Have a nice day.:nana:

[ViolaLee]

It was nice playing with you but I have to go home now.
Have a nice day.:nana:


Where are you posting from, the library?

[Buck Laser]

I'm sorry, but I'm really getting tired of this American Dreamer character who seems to have no other purpose on this Forum but to abuse ViolaLee.

Oh, wait: he also likes to be a general nuisance in his constant questioning of pretty well-established rules.

Wait...there's more! We wants his ego stroked with his constant "how am I doing?" posts.

Can someone tell me and others why he's still here?

[ViolaLee]

Weird isn't he? I guess he'll be here until he explodes in a rage like Chessy.

[AmericanDreamer]

Just for curiousity, I'll try to make it. It's only a 4 hour drive for me, but it may be well worth the effort. A chance to see how the other side lives.

[ViolaLee]

Just for curiousity, I'll try to make it. It's only a 4 hour drive for me, but it may be well worth the effort. A chance to see how the other side lives.
Um it was last weekend, you've missed it. But thanks for being even more creepy and acting like you're coming here in person.

[AmericanDreamer]

not very nice. Make sure you post the next event.

[K-D-K-D-K]

Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.

[ViolaLee]

Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.
Well, muslin is a very nice fabric. It's the best for batik and tie dye.

[K-D-K-D-K]

Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.
Well, muslin is a very nice fabric. It's the best for batik and tie dye.

I meant MUSLIM Viola. You know that.

[ViolaLee]

KDKDK I never know what you mean. Your ideas are so far from reality and common sense, I can never fully understand anything you say.

[ECW]

Just for curiousity, I'll try to make it. It's only a 4 hour drive for me, but it may be well worth the effort. A chance to see how the other side lives.

What's your point, AD? Why aren't you able to post in a topic without going off topic and making it about the poster as well? I'd like to know.[hr]

Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.

And you have links to prove that assertion or did you just pull it out of your ass?

[AmericanDreamer]

Just for curiousity, I'll try to make it. It's only a 4 hour drive for me, but it may be well worth the effort. A chance to see how the other side lives.

What's your point, AD? Why aren't you able to post in a topic without going off topic and making it about the poster as well? I'd like to know.

What's my point? If you read this threads title, you will have your answer. It is very much on topic, as are the other 5 posts that I have contributed to this thread. You have contributed ZERO posts to this thread, except for this one, and your post is completely off topic.

[David Hume]

Wow, ViolaLee, you have your very own stalker. Sounds like you may wanna alert the Oakland PD to be on the lookout for your "fan."

[ViolaLee]

Maybe I should, he keeps making vague threats, and he came to this forum last week in a blaze of attacks...I have no idea what his agenda is. But it's had me a bit uneasy.

[DANG]

Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.
Well, muslin is a very nice fabric. It's the best for batik and tie dye.
Heh,
Maybe he can bring down America with his Muslin ties... (is that bow ties or neck ties?)
After all, he managed to get NORAD to stand down for 2 Hours, and got our presitard to meet his demands to remove US Troops from Saudi Arabia.... all with only a few box cutters.

Osama is very creative. Even bush said "They are always looking for ways to harm us.... and so am I"

WARNING!! Muslin neck ties are still allowed on commercial flights!! WARNING!!

TERROR! TERROR! TERROR!

OOOGA-BOOOGA... OOOGA-BOOOGA

[AmericanDreamer]

Wow, ViolaLee, you have your very own stalker. Sounds like you may wanna alert the Oakland PD to be on the lookout for your "fan."





Anyone who gets on the Obama bandwagon is a supporter of terrorism. Obama is a manchurian candidate with Muslin ties waiting to bring the country down.
Well, muslin is a very nice fabric. It's the best for batik and tie dye.
Heh,
Maybe he can bring down America with his Muslin ties... (is that bow ties or neck ties?)
After all, he managed to get NORAD to stand down for 2 Hours, and got our presitard to meet his demands to remove US Troops from Saudi Arabia.... all with only a few box cutters.

Osama is very creative. Even bush said "They are always looking for ways to harm us.... and so am I"

WARNING!! Muslin neck ties are still allowed on commercial flights!! WARNING!!

TERROR! TERROR! TERROR!

OOOGA-BOOOGA... OOOGA-BOOOGA


Is this thread about "Osama" or "Obama"? or "a stalker". Either ways, the event already ended.

[preservanation]

When this nomination process is all over, Obama supporters will have to scrape him off the bottom of Mrs. Clinton's shiny jack-boots with a putty knife.

[DANG]

ooops, I misread that.
I thought I read an Osama in there.

Never mind.
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/2969/roseanneroseannadannaok9.jpg

[ViolaLee]

That's just because our resident racist is trying to claim Obama wears muslin ties. It can get very confusing. Racists are hard to understand.

[ViolaLee]

Today I went to make phone calls at the Barack Obama campaign HQ. Here are some pictures. It was great to be there today, when Barack Obama won in a landslide in South Carolina! Go Obama!!!

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/anitamiracle/P1010019.jpg

There was a TV camera there, maybe I'll be on the news!

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/anitamiracle/P1010018.jpg

Everyone was working hard making phone calls.

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/anitamiracle/P1010017.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc27/anitamiracle/P1010016.jpg

[AnnEsthesia]

Ugh. I *hate* those damned calls.

[ViolaLee]

We just called to remind them that the primary election was February 5 and asked them if they've decided who they were voting for. Then we marked down the answer. And if they were undeclared, we told them they can ask for a Democratic ballot at the polls so they can vote for a candidate instead of just the propositions. Undeclared voters get a ballot with props only, unless they ask for the Dem ballot. Undeclared voters can't vote for a Republican in the primary. The CA GOP forbids it. I think they are afraid Ron Paul will get too many votes.

[AnnEsthesia]

I still hate those calls. Every election we get dozens of them. Multiply that by two or three for a presidential election. Grrr.

[Cobra]

We don't get no calls here in Kentucky, not important enough. :/

But anyway, I'd rather campaign for Clinton. Obama might be able to win the general election but listening to him speak, he promises the moon but doesn't tell how he'll actually get any of it done. At least you can be confident Clinton knows how and will make some of her ideas realities.

[Elrathin]

When this nomination process is all over, Obama supporters will have to scrape him off the bottom of Mrs. Clinton's shiny jack-boots with a putty knife.


Too bad Obama has made it farther than Thomspon did Eh? Thompson quit like a 2 dollar whore after a money shot.

[Buck Laser]

We don't get no calls here in Kentucky, not important enough. :/

But anyway, I'd rather campaign for Clinton. Obama might be able to win the general election but listening to him speak, he promises the moon but doesn't tell how he'll actually get any of it done. At least you can be confident Clinton knows how and will make some of her ideas realities.

Cobra, I really thought you were too conservative to back a democrat. I'm glad to know different.

[ViolaLee]

We don't get no calls here in Kentucky, not important enough. :/

But anyway, I'd rather campaign for Clinton. Obama might be able to win the general election but listening to him speak, he promises the moon but doesn't tell how he'll actually get any of it done. At least you can be confident Clinton knows how and will make some of her ideas realities.

He tells how he will get it done on his website. www.barackobama.com. I personally think his speeches are better than Clinton and Edward's speeches.

Caroline Kennedy says he could be a President like her father.