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PittsburghAfterDark
08-03-2006, 09:24 AM
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The world awoke this Sunday to the news that an Israeli airstrike had killed 57 Lebanese civilians, leading Israel to stop airstrikes for 2 days - but evidence shows the "massacre" was just a fraud.

The supposed massacre caused a major turnabout in world diplomacy. US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice suddenly canceled her plans to fly to Beirut, saying "my work towards a ceasefire is really here [in Jerusalem] today." The implication was clearly that the onus was now upon Israel. French President Jacques Chirac condemned Israel's "unjustified action which demonstrates more than ever the need for an immediate ceasefire," Jordan's King Abdullah called it an "ugly crime," and other world leaders echoed these sentiments.

Though Israel emphasized that Hizbullah was to blame for waging its rocket war against Israel from within a civilian population, Foreign Ministry officials repeated their "deep regret at the loss of innocent life in the campaign against Hizbullah," and were forced to promise a "thorough and comprehensive examination."

Apparently, however, the incident was all one big fraud, staged by Arab elements for the world media in order to lead precisely to the situation described above.

The central piece of evidence leading to this conclusion is the fact, mentioned by IDF officials from the very beginning, that the building collapsed a full seven hours after the Israel Air Force bombing. Why, then, would the residents inside not have been evacuated in the meantime? As Brig.-Gen. Amir Eshel of the Israeli Air Force told reporters Sunday night, ?It is difficult for me to believe that they waited eight hours to evacuate it.? Without additional evidence, Eshel merely left open the possibility that Hizbullah terrorists, or explosives they left behind, caused the explosion.

"Indeed," writes Robert Spencer for frontpagemag (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23655) "it strains credulity that not only did these Lebanese civilians remain in a house that had been bombed for eight hours, but peacefully went to sleep in it after the bombing ? since the victims were all apparently sleeping, despite continuing Israeli air bombardment in the area, when the building collapsed."

Gen. Eshel also said that the building was used by Hizbullah to store explosives. This was supported by a letter by Dr. Mounir Herzallah, a southern Lebanese Shiite, who wrote that Hizbullah terrorists came to his town, dug a munitions depot and then built a school and a residence directly over it.

In addition, as Reuven Koret writes for Israel Insider (http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Diplomacy/8997.htm) the bombing of the area occurred in three waves. The first bombs, according to CNN correspondent Brent Sadler, did not hit the building in question, but rather landed "20 or 30 meters" away. The second strike hit targets further away, and the third strike, around 7:30 in the morning, landed over 400 meters away. The first reports of a collapsed building arrived a half-hour later.

Another CNN correspondent, Ben Wedeman, noted that there was a larger crater next to the building. He observed that the roof of the building was intact and that the building appeared not to have collapsed as a result of the Israeli strike.

Thus, the building was used to store explosives, was apparently not destroyed by the bombing, and sheltered dozens of women and children throughout a night of bombing. The identity of the victims was also not clear, except that they were not the original occupants of the building; a National Public Radio correspondent reported that they had left. "The victims were non-residents who chose to shelter in the building that night," Koret writes, and who were "'too poor' to leave the town, one resident told CNN's Wedeman. Who were these people?"

Hear Koret speak (http://www.IsraelNationalRadio.com/Asx/Yishai-w-1.asx) bout the Hizbullah manipulation on IsraelNationalRadio.com.

As an aside, the hospital in Tyre, Lebanon, and Human Rights Watch both reported today that 28 people were killed in the Kafr Kana bombing, and not twice that number, as originally reported.

Other facts brought by Koret and Spencer:

* Sometime after dawn a call went out to journalists and rescue workers to come to the scene. Though Hizbullah has been claiming that civilians could not freely flee the scene due to Israeli destruction of bridges and roads, the journalists and rescue teams from nearby Tyre had no problem getting there.

* Lebanese rescue teams did not start evacuating the building until after the camera crews came. The absence of a real rescue effort was explained by saying that equipment was lacking. There were no scenes of live or injured people being extracted.

* There was little blood, CNN's Wedeman noted, concluding that the victims appeared to have died while they were sleeping - despite the thunderous Israeli air attacks. Rescue workers equipped with cameras were removing the bodies from one opening in the collapsed structure, and journalists were not allowed near it.

* Rescue workers carrying the victims on stretchers occasionally flipped up the blankets so that cameras could show the faces and bodies of the dead. But, Koret noted, the ashen-gray faces of the victims gave cause to think that the bodies looked like they had been dead for days.

* Photos of the rescue operation transmitted all over the world are "extremely suspicious," Spencer writes, citing work by EU Referendum showing numerous anomalies in the photos. "Most notably," he writes, "the dating of the various photos suggests that the same bodies were paraded before reporters on different occasions, each time as if they had just been pulled from the rubble. [In addition], some workers are wearing different gear in different photos, yet clearly carrying the same corpse."

* The Christian Lebanese (French-language) website (http://www.libanoscopie.com/fulldoc.asp?doccode=994&cat=2) LIBANOSCOPIE has charged that Hizbullah staged the entire incident in order to stimulate calls for a ceasefire, thereby staving off its destruction by Israel and Lebanese plans to rid themselves of this terrorist plague.

Spencer concludes, "Americans and Westerners are not used to dealing with carefully orchestrated and large-scale deception of this kind. It is time that it be recognized as a weapon of warfare, and an extremely potent one at that."
Arutz Sheva - Israel National News (http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=109072)

Now I'm waiting for the standard leftist drivel that they don't like one of the sources so the entire thing is dismissed out of hand. Forgetting of course numerous sources were cited including a French language Lebanese site.

What was that I said about liberals falling for terrorist propaganda hook, line and sinker?

Hey 'zo. Your check for Grant's Tomb cleared this morning. You now own it.

Alonzo
08-03-2006, 03:15 PM
PAD, we have multiple witnesses, survivors (like this one who saved one child but lost her other child http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=1127142006).

Both sides have been actively attempting to influence opinion by finding polls and voting en masse, but attacking boards to say whatever is most beneficial to them etc.

According to a report in The Times, Israel?s government is trying to use the internet to win support for its cause. The country?s Foreign Ministry is said to have ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European Jewish activist groups can place supportive messages.

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single6844

Every site linked to in the op is pro Israel, the closest to neutral would be the christian lebanese site, but they are directly in opposition to hezbollah and christian militia's have a history of working side by side Israel. These sites would be the very sites interested in crushing anything that could damage their image.

This is no different than any conspiracy theory that the far left holds up and is mocked by the rest. I can find plenty of stuff about a moon landing hoax, conspiracy on 9/11, waco etc. But nothing from a trustworthy source. Having 1 or 10, even moreso when all the ones suggesting this are op-eds, doesn't change that. Every source is questionable. Give me something mainstream and reputable.

PittsburghAfterDark
08-03-2006, 04:05 PM
Told ya folks.

Anything to believe Hezbollah and discredit Israel liberals will do.

I didn't realize CNN was pro-Israel! Wow, you learn something every day. Hell, they just discovered that Hezbollah is legitimately anti-semetic.

Now 'zo. None of us have heard you decry Hezbollah's targeted attacks on Israeli civillians and blatant violation of international law.

I wonder why that is?

Like I said, your check cleared.

Alonzo
08-03-2006, 07:02 PM
PAD, if you are going to hold up CNN then you might as well argue the same point that was made.

The first bombs, according to CNN correspondent Brent Sadler, did not hit the building in question, but rather landed "20 or 30 meters" away. The second strike hit targets further away, and the third strike, around 7:30 in the morning, landed over 400 meters away. The first reports of a collapsed building arrived a half-hour later.

Another CNN correspondent, Ben Wedeman, noted that there was a larger crater next to the building.

I was watching CNN, when they were touring Qana, and they said exactly that. They also said that the force of the impact caused the building to collapse.

Ya know, it seems that no matter what happens, if Israel or the u.s. are blamed then there's always a bunch of conservatives running around spouting off some conspiracy theory about how everyone but the u.s. and Israel was responsible.

Now 'zo. None of us have heard you decry Hezbollah's targeted attacks on Israeli civillians and blatant violation of international law.

I wonder why that is?

Because you didn't read my posts. I've already denounced that on more than one occasion. Hell, all I have to do is copy and paste from the last list I made:

boogey, I have repeatedly condemned hezbollah's unprovoke attack. I have repeatedly condemned attacks on civilians.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=967&pid=7524#pid7524

But the attack that resulted in the capture of Israeli soldiers by hezbollah was unprovoked and completely uncalled for.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=862&pid=6637#pid6637

They're not good by any means. As a military group they've served their purpose, they are nothing but a danger to everyone in their reach. They attack unprovoked.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=777&pid=6421#pid6421

I've said they shouldn't have done it and it was unprovoked.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=862&pid=6404#pid6404

Name one action taken by Israel, it's military etc. that was wrong because it was excessive, cruel etc. But first I'll do the same for Hezbollah: firing weapons into towns that are just as likely to hit civilians as anything else. Your turn.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=970&pid=7511#pid7511

Oh, and you're still more than welcome to take me up on that challenge.

PittsburghAfterDark
08-06-2006, 03:56 PM
Reuters admits to doctoring Beirut photo
By JPOST.COM STAFF

Reuters news agency admitted on Sunday that one of its photographers had digitally altered a photograph of an Israeli attack on Lebanon on Saturday, showing more smoke than was actually present.

The photograph, as initially published, showed an aerial view of Beirut after an IAF attack, with two large pillars of smoke rising over the city. The caption read: Smoke billows from burning buildings destroyed during an overnight Israeli air raid on Beirut's suburbs.

The agency has since withdrawn the photograph, issued an apology and released the unaltered picture. Its public relations department said the photographer had been suspended until the investigation was completed.

Reuters was notified of the alteration by American bloggers who noticed repeating patterns within the smoke plumes, indicating that part of the image was duplicated several times.

The scene was photographed by Adnan Hajj, who had also photographed the aftermath of the Israeli attack on Kana last week, in which the Lebanese initially claimed 58 fatalities, but could later only confirm 28.
Link (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525816599&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull)

Hey 'zo. The guy that brought us Qana was fired for staging news events.

So much for every pathetic rebuttal you've brought to the table.

Do you ever get tired of defending abject lies and half truths?

Alonzo
08-06-2006, 05:37 PM
so wait PAD, only 1 person ever made such claims?

Old Corps Gunny
08-07-2006, 06:59 AM
And there has been some very dramatic video of rocket launches from a building in Kana taken by a Predator UAV. If Hezbollah is going to launch rocket attacks from occupied buildings, knowing that there will be a reciprocal attack against that building, who is at fault: Hezbollah, for putting civilians at risk; Israel, for destroying the rocket site knowing there may be civilians in the building; the civilian occupants, for not evacuating the building when Hezbollah started setting up the rockets? Why is it that Israel is condemned for attacking sites the rockets are launched from if civilians are killed, but Hezbollah is not equally condemned for using civilians as shields? Further, considering the area, is it too much to think that these same civilians may be supporting Hezbollah?

Alonzo
08-07-2006, 10:56 AM
Civilians usually have remained due to a combination of poverty and fear. Last I heard a taxi ride out of these areas cost 400 or 500, many can't afford that. And with the destruction of roads and targetting of many areas many are afraid of fleeing. The survivors also seem to believe that Israel knew they were there and would not hit the building, as there was enough movement from them outside the building that they believed they would be noticed from their surveillance. There is also no place to get gas even if they had there own transportation.

Also, assuming hezbollah was firing rockets in that area in that time period, it doesn't seem as if the civilians knew they were doing so. And, if they did, how were they going to flee?

Hezbollah has been repeatedly condemned for putting civilians at risks, anyone who read my posts, u.n. comments, and comments from most countries, would see that. But, in the end, Israel is the one firing, often seemingly without regard for civilians. Guerilla warfare has always placed civilians at risk (u.s. revolution, vietnam, mexico, resistance in ww2 etc.), that hasn't been an excuse for civilian deaths before and isn't one now.

Nathan Brazil
08-07-2006, 03:23 PM
But, in the end, Israel is the one firing, often seemingly without regard for civilians. Guerilla warfare has always placed civilians at risk (u.s. revolution, vietnam, mexico, resistance in ww2 etc.), that hasn't been an excuse for civilian deaths before and isn't one now.

Right...and the gorillas in this war are the Hezzies. Perhaps when they stop using their own women and children as shields and pawns and let the grownups assume control of Lebannon then perhaps a real peace will happen.

Of course, the Hezzies don't want a real peace, do they?

Rider
08-07-2006, 03:50 PM
Excuse me Zo, but we didn't offer any excuses for civilian deaths in WWII. The mass killing of civilians in enemy cities was a well defined strategic goal in that war. I'd estimate that we killed between 1 and 2 million in our bombing campaigns.

PittsburghAfterDark
08-07-2006, 04:27 PM
Hezbollah has been repeatedly condemned for putting civilians at risks, anyone who read my posts..... would see that.

Bwhahahaha.

No, that's the first you've said ANYTHING to that effect.

You'll condemn the Israeli's for sneezing and spreading the common cold. You've said nothing to this effect until now.

Nothing.

You're a Hezbollah patsy.

Alonzo
08-07-2006, 06:14 PM
I wouldn't waste my time anymore responding to your trolling if I hadn't already made a list in a previous response:

Because you didn't read my posts. I've already denounced that on more than one occasion. Hell, all I have to do is copy and paste from the last list I made:

boogey, I have repeatedly condemned hezbollah's unprovoke attack. I have repeatedly condemned attacks on civilians.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=967&pid=7524#pid7524

But the attack that resulted in the capture of Israeli soldiers by hezbollah was unprovoked and completely uncalled for.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=862&pid=6637#pid6637

They're not good by any means. As a military group they've served their purpose, they are nothing but a danger to everyone in their reach. They attack unprovoked.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=777&pid=6421#pid6421

I've said they shouldn't have done it and it was unprovoked.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=862&pid=6404#pid6404

Name one action taken by Israel, it's military etc. that was wrong because it was excessive, cruel etc. But first I'll do the same for Hezbollah: firing weapons into towns that are just as likely to hit civilians as anything else. Your turn.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=970&pid=7511#pid7511

Oh, and you're still more than welcome to take me up on that challenge.

http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=990&pid=7681#pid7681

lily
08-07-2006, 10:20 PM
Hezbollah has been repeatedly condemned for putting civilians at risks, anyone who read my posts..... would see that.

Bwhahahaha.

No, that's the first you've said ANYTHING to that effect.

You'll condemn the Israeli's for sneezing and spreading the common cold.??You've said nothing to this effect until now.

Nothing.

You're a Hezbollah patsy.


At the risk of starting a flame war........I've noticed that you only read and comment on the Israel hits Hizbollah threads. There's been a thread up, about Hezbollah hitting Israel, for a couple of days now and I see you haven't commented on that. Why is that?