JFK

[Finuzzo!]

JFK was helped by the mob in America, to win his election, so in return he promised to make sure that law enforcement would lay off of them. But, in factuality's, he created more problems for the mob, and they we're betrayed by him (why would you help elect someone who's gonna screw you over?) So they mob had him killed, it's THAT simple. For the most part, the Kennedy's are a corrupt family, hell, even my state's senior senator (Massachusetts) Ted Kennedy, was drunk, drove off a bridge, killed a woman, but made it out safely, yet he was convicted of NOTHING...

[ViolaLee]

Laura Bush also killed a man in a car accident. She was convicted of nothing. Does that mean her family is corrupt?

[BoogyMan]

Laura Bush also killed a man in a car accident. She was convicted of nothing. Does that mean her family is corrupt?


Laura Bush didn't leave the scene of the accident knowing that another was trapped in a flooding car Viola, the comparison you are trying to make doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The OP is based on supposition though, there is no way we can confirm that Kennedy was beholden to the mob and failed to live down to their expectations.

[ViolaLee]

It's a comparison of a car accident where someone was killed. Your scenerio is about what happened afterwards. Mine sticks to the actual accident. A car crash where a person died. Laura Bush killed a man this way. Ted Kennedy killed a woman this way. Both accidents. Both cleared of any crime.

Seriously, you repubs need to get over it. Every time you mention Kennedy's accident, I'll mention Bush's accident. Because it's such a lame arguement after all these years.

[Finuzzo!]

It's a comparison of a car accident where someone was killed. Your scenerio is about what happened afterwards. Mine sticks to the actual accident. A car crash where a person died. Laura Bush killed a man this way. Ted Kennedy killed a woman this way. Both accidents. Both cleared of any crime.

Seriously, you repubs need to get over it. Every time you mention Kennedy's accident, I'll mention Bush's accident. Because it's such a lame arguement after all these years.



Actually, It's really not a lame argument at all. Ted Kennedy is a fraud, and a killer, who lied about what happened, and covered it up, Laura did not.

Laura is honorable, Ted is not.

"During her tenure as the First Lady, Laura Bush has received a number of awards and honors. In October 2002, the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity honored Mrs. Bush in recognition of her life-long commitment to education,[19] the American Library Association honored her for her years of support to America's libraries and librarians in April of 2005,[20]. The Progressive Librarians Guild has opposed[2] honoring Mrs. Bush by librarians because of her support of the USAPATRIOT Act and her cancellation of a poetry forum due to concern that some of the poets would express opposition to the war in Iraq.[3]


She received an award in honor of her dedication to help improve the living conditions and education of children around the world, from the Kuwait-American Foundation in March of 2006.[21] Three learning facilities have been named for her: the Laura Bush Elementary School in Houston, Texas,[22] the Laura W. Bush Elementary School in the Leander ISD just outside Austin, Texas,[23] and the Laura Bush Education Center at Camp Bondsteel, a US military base in Kosovo, is named after her."
from wikipedia (and its outside sources)

[BoogyMan]

It's a comparison of a car accident where someone was killed. Your scenerio is about what happened afterwards. Mine sticks to the actual accident. A car crash where a person died. Laura Bush killed a man this way. Ted Kennedy killed a woman this way. Both accidents. Both cleared of any crime.

Seriously, you repubs need to get over it. Every time you mention Kennedy's accident, I'll mention Bush's accident. Because it's such a lame arguement after all these years.


Sounds like someone else needs to get over it Viola, I pointed out the fallacy you were promoting making the comparison. Never the twain shall rhetorically meet as the two scenarios are completely different.

[Trish]

Well, Viola Lee, I'm not a repub as you call them, but I will say that comparing Laura Bush's auto accident and Ted Kennedy's auto accident is most definitely a case of comparing apples and oranges.

Laura Bush was 17, was distracted as she chatted with a girlfriend and may have even been going over the speed limit. She ran a stop sign and hit a car driven by a 17 year boy she had dated. The boy died instantly from a broken neck. None of the 17 year olds were drunk, none were married, none involved in an extramarital affair, none tried to cover it up.

Now let's discuss the events leading up to Ted Kennedy's accident. He and Ms. Kopechne had been drinking at a party. Ted Kennedy and 5 other married men were at a weekend party with Ms. Kopechne and 5 single girls. Kennedy and Kopechne left together. Kennedy drove off a bridge into the river, escaped, swam to safety leaving Kopechne in the car. Instead of going to a nearby house he went back to the party. He later went back to his hotel in another town, complained to management about a noisy party - and still had not reported the accident. Mary Jo Kopechne drowned, but no one know how quickly, because no one got to her for over 9 hours after the accident. Kennedy had enough of his faculties to get back to the weekend house and back to his hotel and complain about noise of a party, but apparently according to his statements, was too befuddled to walk over to a lighted house near the scene of the accident and phone police. He claims he tried to save her himself, brought others back from the party to try and save her - and yet none of them called the police for help until the next morning.

Laura Walker was a 17 year old girl involved in a tragic accident. Was the accident her fault - yep, from all accounts it was indeed her fault. But it was an accident. Ted Kennedy was a drunken, philandering, married man who left the scene of an accident, leaving the other victim to die and then with the help of friends and family proceeded to spend the next 9 hours distancing himself from the "accident."

Laura Walker was a kid who made a tragic mistake - Ted Kennedy was a Kennedy...and because of that at the very least got away with manslaughter. A person died in each incident - but the series of events leading up to the accidents, the events at the time of the accidents, and most certainly the events afterward were quite different. Apples and oranges are both fruits - and the similarity ends there.

Ted Kennedy owes his freedom to the fact he's a Kennedy - he belongs in prison. And that's an assessment from a Democrat who has been called a Kennedy Democrat.

[Finuzzo!]

^^^^^ OWNED!!!!!!!!!

[ViolaLee]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.

[Trish]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.


Ah yes.....and let's certainly not let a little thing like facts stand in the way.

[AmericanDreamer]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.



I've read the posts over and over, and Violalee, you seem to have a harton (mis-spelled) for bashing "Repubs', at any cost, even at the sake of being silly. The circumstances were quite different, as pointed out. Completely different.

JFK's family, as history shows, was criminal (in todays standards) and used the family name for favors (believe it or not). Political power=get out of jail free card.

Laura Bush was not a Bush at 17 (correct me if i am wrong). She couldn't have used the Bush name to get her out of trouble, as a Kennedy can. She was not even an adult at the time. Accident!!! BIG difference.

You can still correct yourself if you wish. No harm, no foul.

[preservanation]

Teddy is truly a horrible human being for letting that poor woman die, his entitlement mentality knows no bounds.
If his last name wasn't Kennedy, he'd probably be a crooked cop or first in line down at the bowery soup line, or in this case indited for manslaughter.

The most interesting thing I find about JFK is how much he and his policies differs from today's lib/dems. He was a strong supply-sider who believed and employed massive tax cuts and was a hawk in this nations defence. IMO, if he was alive today he would have went the way of Zell Miller and Reagan.[hr]JFK was a strong proponent of education...but for the purpose of our kids education, not for pouring unlimited tax money down the endless black maw of the NEA for political reasons and to further garner their support.

Our edu system has quickly become an arm of the communists and a method for indoctrination as well as political clout. JFK was a man who wanted the best for this nation and didn't spout how he wanted to "change America" nor looked at our youth as pawns to be used as expendable pieces to be sacrificed at the altar of Marxism.

[BoogyMan]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.


Well lets not let a little thing like facts get in the way of that erroneously directed BULLdozer Viola. The comparison is so outrageous it boggles the mind.

[AnnEsthesia]

I opened this thread thinking it would be something about JOHN F. KENNEDY... but it is just another bashing thread about his brother. Perhaps the title could be changed to "Yet another bashing thread about Ted Kennedy" so those of us who are tired of hearing about it won't be duped into opening it.

[preservanation]

I thought it was a John F. Kerry thread.
Imagine my disappointment...

[AmericanDreamer]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.


Is there any Democrat or Liberal or Independent (anyone other than a Repub) out there in debate land willing to put aside their political party's position, and trade it in for good old common sense?? Violalee is making a stubbornly broad comparison regarding two accidents and two deaths. Who agrees that there is a big difference in circumstances between Ted's and Laura's big adventure??

Please, use the common sense side of your brains, not the politically influenced side. In addition, what does a party line have to do with actual facts about two accidents??

When some people actually wake up to smell the coffee, unfortunately it's decaf...

[preservanation]

Who agrees that there is a big difference in circumstances between Ted's and Laura's big adventure?? Rufus, is that you?

[AmericanDreamer]

Who agrees that there is a big difference in circumstances between Ted's and Laura's big adventure?? Rufus, is that you?


Nein:unreal:

[Deadshot]

Bull.

Kennedy and Bush both killed a person in a car accident.

The comparison stands.

You Republicans (including Trish) can blast Kennedy every day and I'll point out that Bush did the same thing.


Is there any Democrat or Liberal or Independent (anyone other than a Repub) out there in debate land willing to put aside their political party's position, and trade it in for good old common sense?? Violalee is making a stubbornly broad comparison regarding two accidents and two deaths. Who agrees that there is a big difference in circumstances between Ted's and Laura's big adventure??

Please, use the common sense side of your brains, not the politically influenced side. In addition, what does a party line have to do with actual facts about two accidents??

When some people actually wake up to smell the coffee, unfortunately it's decaf...



I'm a Liberal Democrat and AD you are right there is no comparrison. Ted Kennedy skated on something on the power of his and his families name. But then again I think the MAJORITY of rich people get away with a lot. Murder? Well not always, but certainly more then the rest of us.

Instead of Lib and/or Con mentality it's one of the entitlement of the Rich! Did Ted Kennedy murder someone? I personally don't think so. I'd say it was an accident. One in which a "normal" person would have been charged with Negligent homicide or Negligent manslaughter (if there is such a thing) but even a Normal person probably would not have done some heavy jail time, probably just probation.

What's funny about this thread, and so many others, is the fact that each of our camps, GOP & DEM, have us so pitted against each other we look for the comparrison justifying to ourselves that "Two wrongs make a right!" It's all bullshit.

Both were accidents in which the rich used their power to lessen the effects of the crime. It wasn't about political party, but about $$$.

Of course what Kennedy did was wrong, but it wasn't murder. He was stupid, irresponsible and it got a girl killed. Believe me though, we don't want to start digging into alot of politicians closets, what we found there would make us sick.

[AmericanDreamer]

Deadshot,
Democrat or not, you are on my 2008 Christmas list!:peace: