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Alonzo
12-27-2007, 03:22 PM
SAN FRANCISCO, California (CNN) -- The father of a teen who was killed by a tiger at the San Francisco Zoo questioned the facility's safety on Thursday, as police reportedly considered whether one of the victims taunted the deadly jungle cat.

Sources close to the investigation told the San Francisco Chronicle that police are probing whether one of the Siberian tiger's three victims climbed over a fence Christmas Day and then dangled a leg or other body part over the moat.

Police said Carlos Sousa, 17, of San Jose was killed just outside the tiger's enclosure. The two others, who were injured, were about 300 yards away by a cafe. Video Watch more on clues from the deadly attack »

A shoe and blood were found between the fence and the moat, the Chronicle reported, and a footprint has been found on a metal fence at the zoo. The investigation is looking into the possibility that the tiger escaped by latching on to a leg or other body part, the paper reported.

"Somebody created a situation that really agitated [the tiger] and and gave her some method to break her out," zoo director Manuel Mollinedo told the Chronicle. "A couple of feet dangling over the edge could possibly have done it."

But a police sergeant told the paper there was no reason to think the victims were taunting the tiger.

The two survivors were in stable condition Wednesday and doing well, San Francisco General Hospital said.

"We have deemed the site, as of last night, a crime scene," said San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong on Wednesday, and police are working to gather evidence and witness statements.

Mollinedo said officials have not determined how the 300-pound tiger named Tatiana, escaped from her exhibit area and attacked three patrons Tuesday before police shot and killed her.

Sousa's mother Marilza Sousa told CNN on Thursday that Christmas would never be the same for them. "This is supposed to be the day for giving, not to take. And he was taken away from me," she said holding back tears. Video Watch legal analyst say a suit by victim's family is likely »

The boy's father, also named Carlos, criticized the zoo's safety. "They didn't do enough for the public, because I think the zoo should be protective on both sides, protective for the people and protective for the animals," said the elder Carlos Sousa. Read about other escapes and attacks by captive animals

The head of the Association of Zoos and Aquariums said this was the first-ever visitor fatality due to an animal escape at a zoo accredited by the association.

Ron Magill of Florida's Miami Metrozoo told CNN that the Siberian tiger is "the most powerful cat on the face of this planet."

Speaking to reporters Wednesday, Mollinedo was asked about an incident last year, in which Tatiana chewed flesh off a keeper's arm during a public feeding demonstration. Mollinedo said that Tatiana "was acting like a normal tiger" at the time, and that the zoo modified procedures to increase safety.

California's Division of Occupational Safety and Health determined the zoo was at fault because of hazardous conditions in the Lion House and lack of specialized safety training for employees. The zoo made changes that the state safety division ordered. The Lion House, the zoo's big-cat exhibit, was closed for more than six months after that incident.

Sousa's sister Beatrice told CNN Wednesday night that the family has not received information about the investigation. "There's a lot of pain. You know, no words for it. It's just too much," she said. "Our family is very, very hurt." Video Watch the family's reaction to the attack »

The zoo was closed Wednesday while officials investigated the tiger attack. Mollinedo said the zoo will probably reopen Thursday, but the Lion House will remain closed "until we get a better understanding of what actually happened."

Tatiana was held in an exhibit area that included a 20-foot moat and an 18-foot wall, Mollinedo said. The 4-year-old tiger was born at the Denver Zoo and came to San Francisco in 2005.

Experts from other zoos will inspect the setup to help suggest modifications to assure safety, he said.

Fong said fire and police responded to emergency calls shortly after 5 p.m. Tuesday. When police arrived, they saw the tiger "sitting next to a person on the ground," and the tiger turned back and began attacking the person again, she said.

Officers yelled at the tiger to stop, and did not fire immediately "for fear that they would not be able to contain their fire," she said. "When the yelling was occurring, the animal turned toward the officers," who then shot and killed the animal, Fong said. Video Watch as animal expert Jack Hanna discusses the attack »

Authorities carried out multiple searches to ensure there were no other victims, she said.

The zoo had closed at 5 p.m., and only around 20 people were still there, Mollinedo said.

The other victims of the tiger attack have not been publicly identified.

Dr. Rochelle Dicker, a surgeon at San Francisco General Hospital, said the two "young men" injured are "in very stable condition." In fact, she said, "they look absolutely fantastic."

Doctors are focusing on ensuring that the patients don't develop infections, she said, adding that they "will be on antibiotics for some time.

"By the time they got here, they were very, very stable -- not close to death," Dicker told reporters. "Really, it was just a matter of washing out their wounds."

Jim Maddy, president of the Association of Zoos and Aquariums, issued a statement expressing "sympathy to the family of the guest that lost his life, and our deepest hope that the two injured guests will recover."

Maddy called the San Francisco Zoo "great," and noted that it is accredited by the association. "Until this incident, there had not been a visitor fatality resulting from an animal escape at an AZA-accredited zoo.

"AZA mandatory accreditation standards require safety and emergency protocols that go beyond federal, state or local requirements. Regular safety training and annual emergency drills are required by these mandatory accreditation standards."

He said association rules "require that the San Francisco Zoo provide a thorough report to its independent accreditation commission, which will review it and determine any actions that need to be taken. We will not speculate on what action might be taken until the facts are fully reviewed."

Along with Siberian tigers, an endangered species, the zoo has rarer and smaller Sumatran tigers.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/27/tiger.attack/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

micfranklin
12-27-2007, 03:25 PM
There is a reason for why dangerous animals at zoos are kept a certain distance away from the guests.

Don't taunt animals either, because when you do hat you may trigger their natural reaction and that could (and has been) disastrous.

lily
12-27-2007, 03:53 PM
This isn't the first report that I've read that someone was taunting the tiger. Makes me think either there is something to it, or the zoo is trying to get out of a lawsuit. The police are doing the right thing in closing it off as a crime scene, since all reports say there were only about 20 people in the zoo at the time of the attack. I would think that the two in the hospital, that were sitting at the cafe would be the most reliable witnessess.

PatrickHenry
12-27-2007, 06:20 PM
The two survivors were 300 yards away, lily.

After Tatiana killed Carlos, she was still mad and looking for somebody to vent on.

She ran on down the way and found a couple of guys who were innocently having a burger and jumped them and gave them an ass-whupping for what Carlos did.

Then the cops killed her.

The best evidence is probably physical and circumstantial. The eyewitnesses were too far away. If those boys had seen Tatiana coming they would have run inside and closed a door.

(Just speculating)

DANG
12-27-2007, 06:49 PM
Most likely reason would be human error... somebody left a gate open.

18 foot wall and a moat? Nah, not likely to escape that.

lily could be right about a cover-up. A lot of politics involved. The Zoo is one of its International attractions.
The zoo stands to lose more than money if this is human error. They would lose the right to exhibit dangerous animals.

The Tiger was just acting natural.

I suppose its is possible there was some taunting by some Jackass(C) daredevil type. He got his :madlaugh:"Just Desserts" :madlaugh: if thats the case. No tears wasted on the stuntman.

Osborn F. Enready
12-27-2007, 07:15 PM
If they did taunt the animal, I wouldn't call that person a "victim", but a shining example of a darwin award contestant.

potter
12-27-2007, 09:04 PM
There seem to be lots of stories going around. One I read this morning said a trail of blood lead the tiger to the cafe.

DANG
12-27-2007, 11:10 PM
The Zoo director is having trouble keeping his story straight.:unreal:
AP Story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_us/tiger_escapes_86)

SAN FRANCISCO - The director of the zoo where a teenager was killed by an escaped tiger acknowledged Thursday that the wall around the animal's pen was just 12 1/2 feet high....

<snip>

On Wednesday, Mollinedo said that the wall was 18 feet high and that the moat around the tiger's pen was 20 feet wide. On Thursday, he said the moat was 33 feet wide.These tigers stand over 6 feet tall, I can see them jumping 12.5 feet. (with some fresh meat teasing her)

ViolaLee
12-28-2007, 05:11 AM
I've been to that zoo. I've eaten at that cafe. If the kid was taunting the tiger, he's an idiot and he's out of the gene pool now. He didn't deserve to die, I'm not saying that, but this is just nature taking her course.

Poor tiger. Endangered even.

DANG
12-28-2007, 05:27 AM
Condolences to Pookie for the loss of her distant realtive.

Pookie
12-28-2007, 05:32 AM
If he indeed, taunted the tiger, there had to be a way out for it. Simply taunting would have, indeed, resulted in severe injuries and even death, but the tiger was obviously not properly contained if it had the wherewithall to hurt the 2 others.
Perhaps many zoos and wildlife preserves need to rethink their containment.
Purrs,
Pookie

DANG
12-28-2007, 05:42 AM
The wall was only 12.5 feet tall. But it had passed standards inspection 3 years ago.
The way the Zoo Director has been changing his story, though.... it seems like he's covering for some liability like negligence.

lily
12-28-2007, 11:32 PM
I give the Zoo director credit for admitting that the fence wasn't as high as he thought it was. I also heard on some news story (sorry no link) that a woman last year sent a letter of complaint because one of the tiger's paws came up to the ledge where her 3 year old was standing. I also think that there was taunting going on....since the victims aren't co-operating.

Link (http://www.ktvu.com/news/14940180/detail.html)

Tiger Attack Survivors Not Cooperating With Police




SAN FRANCISCO -- Reports are surfacing that Paul and Kulbir Dhaliwal, the
two brothers who survived the Christmas day tiger attack at the San
Francisco Zoo, have been less than cooperative with the SFPD as the
investigation into the attack continues.

Authorities say Paul Dhaliwal, 19, and Kulbir Dhaliwal, 23, initially
refused to give their own names or identify Carlos Sousa Jr. as the other
attack victim. They also would not give an account of what had happened at
the zoo to police.

During interviews with media Thursday, Sousa Jr.'s father also revealed that
he had called the younger Dhaliwal brother while trying to figure out why
his son hadn't been at Christmas dinner. Even though the call occurred when
the 17-year-old Sousa Jr. would either have been en route or actually at the
San Francisco Zoo with the brothers, Paul Dhaliwal told Carlos Sousa Sr.
that he had not seen his son.

The brothers remain at San Francisco General Hospital recovering from severe
bite and claw wounds. Their names were provided by hospital and law
enforcement sources who spoke on condition of anonymity because the family
had not yet given permission to release their names.

According to court records, the brothers have had run-ins with authorities
before. They were arraigned Oct. 22 on suspicion of public drunkenness and
resisting a police officer charges. They pleaded not guilty and are
scheduled to be in court in January.

Paul Dhaliwal also has three other cases in Santa Clara County: an arrest
for reckless driving and evading a police officer and being a minor in
possession of alcohol and public intoxication, according to court documents.

On Thursday, more details of the tiger attack were revealed. The last
minutes of Sousa Jr.'s life were spent trying to save his friend from the
tiger that was mauling him at the San Francisco Zoo, only to have the animal
turn on him, police and family members said.

Sousa Jr. and his friend's brother desperately tried to distract the
350-pound Siberian tiger, but the big cat instead came after Sousa.

"He didn't run. He tried to help his friend, and it was him who ended up
getting it the worst," the Sousa Sr., said Thursday after meeting with
police.