CIA man 'can take White House down'

[December]

Wed, 26 Dec 2007

Former head of the CIA's clandestine service Jose Rodriguez claims he can take the White House down over a torture cover-up scandal.

Rodriguez said he may testify before the House Intelligence Committee if he is granted immunity from prosecution, The Sunday Times reported.
Intelligence sources believe Rodriguez is now quite determined not to become the fall guy in the controversy over the destruction of CIA videotapes showing the torture of terrorist suspects.

The hundreds of hours of videotapes reportedly showed the interrogation of two al-Qaeda leaders, Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, while they were held in a secret military prison.
A former CIA officer has testified that the videotapes showed Zubaydah being subjected to water-boarding, a form of torture that simulates drowning.

Despite the Bush administration's denial of any involvement in the destruction of the tapes, the CIA and White House have been accused of torturing detainees in the so-called war on terror launched in the aftermath of the 9/11.

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Jose Rodriguez

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[lily]

Been doing some reading on this and Rodriguez seemed to have learned his lesson from Iran Contra and got himself a damned good lawyer. If he gets immunity, I wonder who he'll name.......so that Bush can give a pardon to.

[bobbylien]

Take him down already..

[K-D-K-D-K]

Well his testimony would be nothing but hearsay since there is no evidence since the tapes were destroyed.

[lily]

Well his testimony would be nothing but hearsay since there is no evidence since the tapes were destroyed.



What????

[Pookie]

He claims?
Pfffffffffffffffffftttttt! Go ahead, boy bring it down.
What the hell is he waiting for?
Go ahead and do it, and shut up about it. Let's see what happens. I dare you.
Purrs,
Pookie[hr]Hello? Where is the nutless boy claiming this? Bring him in here.
otherwise, another unfounded threat. Pffftt.
Pookie

[ttriber]

I'm all for the CIA without a flinch I would join, but I guess this guy just wants to create controversy not end it. The bureacracy in the CIA runs huge in "The Company". Making a big deal out of destroying torture tapes while their people who hang our men and kill our soldiers and put them on a video to be seen by the extreme muslim atmosphere in the Middle East and were worrying about torture tapes? This war has to be won in combat not fought politically like it was in Vietnam.

[lily]

I'm all for the CIA without a flinch I would join, but I guess this guy just wants to create controversy not end it.

You lost me on this one.......how is getting to the bottom of things and finding out the truth creating controversy? The controversy started when the CIA destroyed hundreds of tapes.

The bureacracy in the CIA runs huge in "The Company". Making a big deal out of destroying torture tapes while their people who hang our men and kill our soldiers and put them on a video to be seen by the extreme muslim atmosphere in the Middle East and were worrying about torture tapes? .

Ok......I understand now........it's not good to put the tapes on TV, it's better to destroy them. Kind of screwed up logic.........

This war has to be won in combat not fought politically like it was in Vietnam.

How is destroying evidnce going to make us lose the war and what does it have to do with politics? Has this country now become totally lawless when it come to government?

[ttriber]

The point is were talking about a former CIA officer who wants to make the CIA and the Bush Admin. look like a fool. Haven't we had enough of that crap to have to hear it again.

[lily]

The point is were talking about a former CIA officer who wants to make the CIA and the Bush Admin. look like a fool. Haven't we had enough of that crap to have to hear it again.


How is this going to make Bush look like a fool, when he said he had no idea that this happened......as for someone in this administration.....you are more worried about how it's going to make someone look, than finding out why they did this and who gave them permission to do it?

Sorry, ttriber..........but what you are saying sounds like something they would do in a Communist country.............not a country that has laws that even include the government. They were ordered by a Federal judge not to do this........and they did it anyway. No offense ttriber, but what would happen if no one knew what Castro was doing?

[Fishingriver]

Ttriber- I don't think there is any conflict between the Bush administration and the CIA at all. I think they collectively agreed to destroy these tapes. The fiasco surrounding that discovery looks like a CIA/Bush conflict, but is really more convenient to them than admitting that they destroyed evidence to keep both agents and Bush from going to prison for war crimes. Which they should.

Our government under Bush would like for us to accept torture. Sadly, some of us have already. The real question is still........

"Should we prosecute those who authorized and executed torture"?

It isn't "is waterboarding torture?"....of course it is.
or "does the enemy torture?"....of course they do and it is a prime reason why they should be our enemies, or "does torture yeild results?". It has resulted in America standing on the edge of it's ultimate moral collapse.
The answer America arrives at as to the question of "whether or not we prosecute those who have already tortured" will determine if we are brutal savages no better than our enemies or the United States of America....still the greatest, most civilized and just nation in the world.
We can't have both.

[ttriber]

Lily the thing you don't fathom is that we are in a War and If everytime we captured a terrorist and we use torture to get information that will save thousands of lifes in the USA then why not use it.

The credibility of the CIA has been lacking ever since the whole 9/11 attack imo. The thing that upsets me is that the CIA has had more scandals in this Admin. then any other I have seen. There's a few bad apples who pretty much hate the president like some here in the forum and will use what ever it takes to bring him down with these scandals like this.

Don't trie to change this to a Castro conversation because the thing that man has done for the past 50 years is beyond the torture the US has ever done. The USA by far is not communist.

[Osborn F. Enready]

I totally disagree ttriber.

The CIA is the American version of the KGB, no better, no worse (if there is such a thing as worse than the KGB).

The sheer volume of cover-ups since the creation of the CIA is enough to deem them "unworthy" of our support as taxpayers, and they have used force and drugs against their own people, their OWN CITIZENS, in the name of furthering government control over its own citizens.


I wouldn't piss on em to put em out, if they were on fire.

[Truth_and_Power]

Lily the thing you don't fathom is that we are in a War and If everytime we captured a terrorist and we use torture to get information that will save thousands of lifes in the USA then why not use it.


Well the insurgents in Iraq probably figured that beheading a few soldiers and reporters and posting the videos on the internet would serve a valid psy-ops purpose and would be more effective than them losing 100's of soldiers in combat against us. There are many different sides in this war in iraq, and they all have "good" reasons to torture, maim and kill viciously. If we do it as well we are adding momentum to the problem and ensuring that our soldiers will, on average, recieve worse treatment than they do now. Why do you think that so many vets are adamantly opposed to using these techniques and chickenhawks in expensive suits are for it?

Also, I'm pretty sure Lily does fathom that we are at war. And there has been no proof to date that torture is effective, and how effective it might be in comparison to the harm it creates for us.

[lily]

Lily the thing you don't fathom is that we are in a War and If everytime we captured a terrorist and we use torture to get information that will save thousands of lifes in the USA then why not use it.
If this were ture, then this administration would be shouting it from the rooftops and people wouldn't be so against torture.........sorry, ttriber, it's just not true. Especially in the case they are trying to cover up the most, Zubaydah who was crazy.

The credibility of the CIA has been lacking ever since the whole 9/11 attack imo. The thing that upsets me is that the CIA has had more scandals in this Admin. then any other I have seen. There's a few bad apples who pretty much hate the president like some here in the forum and will use what ever it takes to bring him down with these scandals like this.

Oh.....I see......it's all a conspiracy to get Bush. Do you know how silly that sounds? Not only did they destroy the tapes, they lied about it to the 911 commission........and again I have to ask you how does this discredit Bush when he says he had no idea they did it?

Don't trie to change this to a Castro conversation because the thing that man has done for the past 50 years is beyond the torture the US has ever done. This country by far is not communist.

I'm just trying to make my point. There is proof that Castro tortured people. The CIA destroyed any proof that might have hurt them. If there wasn't anything incrimidation on those tapes, why destroy them?

[Shintao]

I'm all for the CIA without a flinch I would join, but I guess this guy just wants to create controversy not end it.

There is already controversy & it won't end until we get to the bottom of the investigation. This guy is implemented in some way, sees himself as the fall guy, and is sending a signal to Bush, you fk me over and you are going down we me, so you better find a way to stop the investigation.

[ttriber]

Don't trie to change this to a Castro conversation because the thing that man has done for the past 50 years is beyond the torture the US has ever done. This country by far is not communist.


Somebody here named bobylien has made his signature have this quote and what I meant to say is that the USA is not communist that's what I was referring to. By far the communist government of Cuba is horrific and I despise anybody and anyone who affliates or lines themselves with a sun of a b*tch like Castro. You bobylien would love to cast shame on me but I digress I'm a cuban exile and I can't stand people like yourself.:sick:

What I meant to say was that the USA is by far not communist.

[Fishingriver]

There is no seperation between what CIA does and what the Bush administration knows. CIA serves at the bequest of the president. When we were on our way to war with Iraq, CIA provided the administration with information. As soon as we realized they were lying to us (Bush and CIA) we screamed foul and Bush immediately projected the blame to CIA. Isn't that convenient? We are fools to beleive that CIA has failed Bush, or Bush is using CIA, they are one and the same in their agenda. The CIA director is with Bush daily.
The administration was well aware of the tapes, and the negative value to the administration was obvious. By projecting a rift between CIA and his administration, Bush has managed to torture people, destroy evidence, lie us into a war, and lie to us about Iran's nuclear capability. CIA provides the perfect scapegoat for Bush Co. Even the Bush apologists rally to condemn CIA as if they were an independent branch. Wake up! They are partners in screwing us all.