Why the Republicans will lose in 2008

[Fishingriver]

Merry Christmas Eve!

The real "blow" to the republican party was loss of credibility. It wasn't just over spending or any of the problems Big Media focuses on. It's about honesty and it isn't all the corruption either. It is that republicans have spent too much time framing issues to get immediate support, which then turn out to be something all together different.

Republicans can't keep telling their constituents that the economy is good, or that the fence represents border security, or that global warming is a hoax, or that waterboarding isn't torture, or that "No Child" is working. Many republicans will believe it and repeat it, but the number who don't are enough to swing the election. The majority of Independents stopped believing the GOP in the last cycle.

Voters want honesty because it is the greatest security there is. That is why republicans voters long for another Regan. They believed Regan was honest. The GOP needs to get honest with itself about what cost them so much support. If they keep looking for Regan among these spinners, they'll join him graveside before they find his appeal.

[Keith Hamburger]

Merry Christmas Eve!

The real "blow" to the republican party was loss of credibility. It wasn't just over spending or any of the problems Big Media focuses on. It's about honesty and it isn't all the corruption either. It is that republicans have spent too much time framing issues to get immediate support, which then turn out to be something all together different.

Republicans can't keep telling their constituents that the economy is good, or that the fence represents border security, or that global warming is a hoax, or that waterboarding isn't torture, or that "No Child" is working. Many republicans will believe it and repeat it, but the number who don't are enough to swing the election. The majority of Independents stopped believing the GOP in the last cycle.

Voters want honesty because it is the greatest security there is. That is why republicans voters long for another Regan. They believed Regan was honest. The GOP needs to get honest with itself about what cost them so much support. If they keep looking for Regan among these spinners, they'll join him graveside before they find his appeal.


There is one Republican candidate who is unfailingly honest. He is who I thought Reagan was when I voted for him twice. This Republican candidate was who I voted for in the very next election after I realized the failings of Reagan and the Republicans.

While there have been some slight changes in his positions over the past 20 years, he remains the most honest politician of whom I've heard.

Keith

ps If you're looking for honesty among the Democratic candidates, you will be greatly disappointed there.

[ECW]

Ron Paul's shortcomings are is his minimal government stands that remove many of the social programs that people want in their lives. Once that gets thru the collective skulls of the people, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

Yes, Ron Paul is honest. But he is also out of line with the mainstream of thought in the United States.

[Keith Hamburger]

Ron Paul's shortcomings are is his minimal government stands that remove many of the social programs that people want in their lives. Once that gets thru the collective skulls of the people, Ron Paul doesn't stand a chance.

Yes, Ron Paul is honest. But he is also out of line with the mainstream of thought in the United States.


So, we're back to "Why the Republicans will lose" on a whole different point of view?

First their dishonest. Next, they're not socialists.

Well, I guess if you're looking for honest socialists, you won't find them in the Republican party. Dishonest socialists or non-dishonest non-socialists, you will find them there, but no honest socialists.

Keith

[Fishingriver]

Keith wrote- ps If you're looking for honesty among the Democratic candidates, you will be greatly disappointed there.

I can't argue with that. The Democrats keep telling us they are going to make Bush accountable, but I'm not seeing it. Credibility is a problem for both.
The point I was trying to make and didn't do very well with was that the Republicans have continued using language for issues that the public has already accepted as false or rejected. IE- "Global warming is a hoax" or " a long term commitment to Iraq", etc. It seems they are listening to their cohorts and and nodding agreement, but have failed to recognize that people know it is BS.
I am tempted to vote for Ron Paul. If only to assure that for four years the constitution would have the presidents protection. I think the Paul supporters have enthusiasm that is the envy of both major parties. But I don't think he can be elected. And if he was, he wouldn't be able to accomplish much becasue he would be held in contempt by both parties in congress. The Democrats would rally against his opposition to social programs, and the republicans would hate him because of his foreign policy. But I am just guessing... there really isn't much to compare that too.
I don't beleive that John Edwards is dishonest. I think he is playing the game to a degree, but I think his honesty is in part what is costing him the primary. He is honest enough about corporate America to cost himself coverage from the corporate media. Ron Paul seems to be getting the same cold shoulder.

[Shintao]

Looks like Hillary is the shoe in, and it makes me wonder why people will waste their votes on other candidates when the Clinton Team is the most experienced in answering Americans problems of this nation, and is needed to do so.

[Deadshot]

The reason Ron Paul isn't a viable option is because he does not have a chance to win the Republican ticket.

I'm a Democrat and I like Edwards more then Obama and Hillary, but his chances of capturing the ticket are quite slim.

So let's work in the field of realities, here's why the Republicans will lose in '08...

RUDY = If he win's the nomination expect to see non-stop adds from the Dems in the South with Rudy in Drag leading the Gay Rights parade and speaking out in favor of Abortion. Religious Right (RR) voters will simply stay home.

McCAIN = He's not really advocating any change of course at all. With Independents seeing Iraq as a problem, the housing market sinking and a possible Recession on the horizon, no body but the stuanch Right will vote for more of the same.

FRED = No experience. Plain and simple. Reagan governed CA. for years; Bush I was in Congress and was VP; Bush II was governor of TX. and an aide to his father and his brother. People are having a hard time finding legislation that Thompson backed! Even staunch GOP'ers will have a hard time voting for Fred.

MITT= his religious stance will come into play. Not only because of his Mormonism, but because he was for Abortion just few short years ago. A religion that is confusing at best, just recognized Blacks as equals in the late 1960's AND he was for abortion...stratch the RR again.

So there's your top four. The GOP will, of course, get the 25%-35% of the country that is Republican. But if the RR stays home, a la Rudy or Mitt win the nod, then that number will be closer to 25%. But when you count the 30%-35% of Dems that will show up because of the almost religiously fanatic hatred for the other side that Bush and his cronies has inspired PLUS the other 30% of the country that's Independent that want a change...the numbers simply do not add up. The GOP is looking at the reverse of what happened to Walter Mondale....I can't wait - a DEMOCRATIC LANDSLIDE!:ecstatic:

[BillyPilgrim]

Whitewater, Travelgate, the 1000 for 1000,000 bucks. The Dems are running against Bush, a lame duck. Stupid politics.

[bishop]

The point I was trying to make and didn't do very well with was that the Republicans have continued using language for issues that the public has already accepted as false or rejected. IE- "Global warming is a hoax" or " a long term commitment to Iraq", etc. It seems they are listening to their cohorts and and nodding agreement, but have failed to recognize that people know it is BS.

keep in mind that these rinos are saying these things because that's the brand of hot air that the republican base loves blown up their rears...

also keep in mind that the democrat establishment candidates are also doing the same - it's just that the democrat base prefers a different flavor of hot air.

voters aren't interested in trustworthy politicians. if they were, they'd actually pay attention to their voting records over the mindless babble that flies out of their mouths.

[Pookie]

Wow, Deadshot! I like Edwards too but I have the nasty feeling you're right. But 2008 is going to be one wild ride!
Purrs,
Pookie

[Pogo]

Looks like Hillary is the shoe in, and it makes me wonder why people will waste their votes on other candidates when the Clinton Team is the most experienced in answering Americans problems of this nation, and is needed to do so.

Which of America's problems has the Clinton team solved?

[Tharagor]

Good, bad, or indifferent, while Hillary might get the Democrat nomination, our country probably isn't ready to elect a female President.

[Finuzzo!]

I find this thread HILARIOUS, and here is why. At the end of the day, even if the majority of the country dislikes Pres. Bush, the country will STILL vote Repub. during a time of war, even if the war is disliked by so many people, fact is, most Americans still want a pres. who will fight, and most still want a fiscal conservative, because taxes are on the mind of EVERYONE who is relatively sane.. but obviously money and the economy is more than just TAXES. I still believe the only way a democrat could win, is if Obama won the nomination, and selected a running mate like al gore, or someone else who is a big name not running for Pres.

[Tharagor]

I still believe the only way a democrat could win, is if Obama won the nomination...


Unfortunately, I believe that the average voter in this country is also not ready for an African-American President.

Sometimes it seems as if the Democrats are *trying* to throw the election. That is, of course, the only way Republicans *could* keep 1600 Pen. Ave., after the record of our current President.

[Finuzzo!]

I still believe the only way a democrat could win, is if Obama won the nomination...


Unfortunately, I believe that the average voter in this country is also not ready for an African-American President.

Sometimes it seems as if the Democrats are *trying* to throw the election. That is, of course, the only way Republicans *could* keep 1600 Pen. Ave., after the record of our current President.


Agree to disagree :dizzy:

[Fishingriver]

America is not going to vote republican because of the Iraq war. In fact, Bush has probably taken any advantage the GOP had there and
turned it into a liability. People are tired of incompetence. Fiscal conservative has nothing at all in common with today's republican party. 6 years of the biggest spending spree in history (most of it squandered) has left the public looking to the Democrats for reconcilliation in budget. The memory of a Clinton surplus is much fresher in the general publics mind than republicans practicing restraint on spending.
I think a Democratic president is a certainty unless the democrats do everything wrong. I don't think it matters if they are a woman or a black man or a horses ass. People have had it with the GOP and the proof I see is in the polling. Republican congress is 6 points lower than the dems when the parties are seperated in the question of congressional approval. Bush is stuck at 33%. In the words of Karl Rove "100% of 25% can't win an election". The republican base will of course vote for any moron they nominate (including the right wingnut hucabee) but America isn't feeling anything but a desire for change. Huckabee ain't change. He's Bush all over again.

[AmericanDreamer]

People are so brainwashed that they don't vote for the candidate...they vote the party line. Always has been, always will be.

Now me, on the other hand, am willing to change my partyline if needed. I will vote for the right person to do the job. Not because of one or two things that I am aligned with, but the whole ball of wax...the big picture.

I won't stay a Republican forever. I'm in the process of waking up...aren't we all??

[Keith Hamburger]

I won't stay a Republican forever. I'm in the process of waking up...aren't we all??


Keep working on it. I was a Republican for 8 years after I was old enough to vote. I voted for Reagan twice.

Soon, if you actually pay attention to what's going on around you and learn what is going on in the world, you will wake up and become a libertarian.

Keith