9/11 Truth Manifesto

[PatrickHenry]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18933.htm
For evidence that America’s political system is a criminal conspiracy, open your mind to piles of new analyses that prove beyond doubt that the official 9/11 story is a lie. Years of a bipartisan cover-up of 9/11 lies make it much more than one horrendous past event. It endures in infamy as a symptom of a corrupt and dishonest government.



Every day we pay for what 9/11 and its cover-up have burdened us with, including the costly Iraq war and the erosion of the rule of law and constitutional rights. Power elites have suppressed the truth because they fear what will happen when the public understands that 9/11 was not accomplished solely by foreign terrorists.



Technically sound analyses of what happened at the World Trade Center have unequivocally shown that the official 9/11 story is not credible (www.ae911truth.org). Truth seekers have met their burden of proof; the government has not met theirs. Simply put, controlled demolition brought down three buildings, not fires from the impact of planes on two of them. Not only was the US government involved, it has also conspired to hide the truth from the public. Why? Republican and Democratic politicians and power elites fear that 9/11 truth will remove what little public trust remains in government. The truth will produce political instability, perhaps breaking the two-party stranglehold on our political system. And it should. And it must, if we are to finally obtain the deep political reforms our nation desperately needs.



The decline started before George W. Bush and his criminal co-conspirators accelerated it with their blatant disregard for the rule of law and our Constitution. It will continue, even with a Democratic administration, unless we reform our political system. We must remind Americans that our nation was born in an insurrectionist, populist rebellion against political tyranny – and that 9/11 teaches us that we need a Second American Revolution. We must destroy the domestic Axis of Arrogance of our plutocracy more than fear a foreign Axis of Evil. How?



A vast nationwide grassroots 9/11 truth movement is ignored by the mainstream news media. Its success will be the catalyst for renewing American democracy. It will produce a shock wave that rattles the brains of all Americans: Shock therapy from a truth so powerful and unsettling that Americans finally see the decline of American democracy that allowed 9/11 and its cover-up.



Make no mistake, the 9/11 truth movement holds the future of the United States. We are not subversive “conspiracy theorists� or enablers of foreign terrorism. We are patriotic warriors working to nullify group delusion produced by government propaganda. Dozens of books and websites reveal countless technical contradictions and inconsistencies with the official government 9/11 story and the laws of physics. The weight of the evidence supports one painful verdict: Our federal government played a role, probably through a large “black op.� The “why� is obvious: To justify an unjust war to serve corporate interests and greed.



Here is our opportunity: To make 9/11 the tipping point for American democracy renewal. Our enemies fear that if this movement succeeds, their plutocratic, elitist cabal – the Axis of Arrogance – run by the two-party duopoly will collapse. Corruption keeps our political system stable – truth must clean it up. Instability is the necessary price for restoring democracy.



A Paradigm Shift



9/11 lies have sustained the ruling terrorism-threat paradigm. 9/11 truth must energize a new political-reform paradigm. Patriotism framed as defending the nation against terrorism must be replaced by patriotism focused on repairing American democracy.



Already, status quo protectionists lie about us to defeat our movement. Things will get worse as our movement draws closer to bringing down the corrupt political system. And we are getting closer. Only 16 percent of Americans believe that members of the Bush administration are telling the truth about what they knew about terrorist attacks on the US prior to 9/11, according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. But what people say in polls is not the same as coming out publicly and vociferously for 9/11 truth, or seeing the roots of 9/11 in the decay of American democracy, not merely the actions of a few evil people.



The deceived public must be re-educated to see the arrogant power elites running our national plutocracy as worse than radical Islamic terrorists. Paul Craig Roberts captured the essence of the problem: “Americans think their danger is terrorists. They don't understand the terrorists cannot take away habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. ... The terrorists are not anything like the threat that we face to the Bill of Rights and the Constitution from our own government in the name of fighting terrorism. Americans just aren't able to perceive that.�



9/11 is a history lesson to inform the nation about democracy decline. As John McMurtry asked, “So which goes - the faith in America’s greatness and goodness in the world, or the facts which disclose the opposite at the very top?� We must always remember that Americans are better than their government. They do not get the government they deserve. They get the government that the rich and powerful impose. That must end.



We confront more than power elites. There is psychological resistance of millions of Americans to painful 9/11 truth – a shameful, “unthinkable� truth about their elected government. Even if they have doubts about the official story, they instinctively recoil and erect mental barriers to block out the full truth. They want to keep believing that they live in a great democracy. They want to believe that when the Bush administration is replaced our democracy will be in good shape again. Hard to accept that 9/11 truth could not have been suppressed this long without the tacit or explicit approval of Democratic politicians and power brokers.



It is as if we are telling children that their parents are mass murderers. Distracted, time-poor, depressed, political disengaged, cynical and insecure Americans do not want to hear that their government had a hand in 9/11. That for years their two-party-controlled government has blatantly lied to them. That thousands of good Americans have died and been terribly injured in a war propped up by the false-flag 9/11 fiction. In sum, that despite elections a vast criminal conspiracy has been so successful for so long. Such thoughts hurt.



Also, political instability is scary to ordinary Americans. But stability based on corruption and lies is destructive. Only when Americans see 9/11 as a political attack (by Americans on Americans) – not solely a terrorist attack (by foreigners on Americans) – will they understand that revealing 9/11 truth must lead to major political reforms. Instability is the cost of democracy renewal.



Here are powerful messages: The collapse of the rule of law is more important than the collapse of buildings. Countless more have died because of 9/11 than on 9/11. The events of 9/11 ultimately are less important than the reasons for and consequences of 9/11.



As John McMurtry said, “[9/11] allowed an illegitimate administration to transmute into America’s patriotic champion at war - above accountability and the rule of law. ‘Defending America from another terrorist attack’ became a political blank check for corporate corruption of government expenditures with impunity, war criminal acts and threats across the Islamic and alternative third world, and attacks on civil rights and commons at home.� All this persists as 9/11 lies persist.



Despite record-low levels of public trust in Congress and the president, too many Americans still believe that elections are the path to major political reforms. Despite a solid history of campaign lies from politicians, and overwhelming belief that the nation is on the wrong track, Americans keep hoping that they can vote their way into a better future. Most Americans do not have a Boston Tea Party mentality. They are unready to revolt despite revolting conditions. Our truth movement must help Americans accept painful truth and its political fallout. We must put all the technical truth discovered by reputable scientists and engineers to work for systemic reforms.



We must do more than oust the official story and obtain a new 9/11 investigation that now has wide support by hundreds of respected Americans (www.patriotsquestion911.com). We must guide Americans into a more patriotic and courageous mental state. We must help Americans become outraged and rebellious, yet also optimistic about major political reforms.



Political Strategy



Success against the power elites running and ruining our nation requires building an army of Americans openly revolting against the two-party corporatist state now in control. The 9/11 truth movement must use political strategies to defeat the status quo political establishment. Here are three actions.



First, with detailed technical analyses unequivocally proving that the official story is false, the movement can draft a bill that might be titled The 9/11 Truth Act of 2008. This proposed federal legislation should be delivered to every member of the House and Senate early next year. It would clarify the investigation: What its scope and objectives must be. What reliable entity, public or private or a combination, must be used. How the public must be given opportunities to present information. What resources must be provided and what time frame must be adhered to.



We must take the initiative and specify exactly what kind of new official 9/11 investigation is necessary, recognizing that professionals in the truth movement have limited resources and cannot address all questions. The 9/11 truth movement itself must define exactly what the first real credible and comprehensive government sponsored investigation must consist of. We can have no confidence in anything that the political establishment might devise to silence our movement. We must tell the public, the media and the political world what is required to reveal the total truth as to what caused, for example, the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings, especially building 7 not even hit by a plane.



Developing and submitting this legislation must then be followed up by all 9/11 groups urging their supporters to bombard Congress with demands for hearings and passage of the bill. This is the way to engage more Americans politically to obtain full 9/11 truth.



However, few politicians’ comments support the truth movement. A rare statement came from presidential candidate Ron Paul. In a radio interview in January, 2007 he said that the 9/11 investigations to date are “more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.� However, later in the year when he became more visible he was asked about the possibility of the official story being orchestrated by the government. He said emphatically “absolutely not.� In another interview, when asked whether he thought 9/11 was an inside job that our government made happen, he responded forcefully “No.� So apparently Paul sees a cover-up but not about the involvement of our government. Would he support legislation for a new investigation?



Thus the second critical political action is this: Proclaim that only politicians that actively support passage of our legislation will earn support in the 2008 elections from the millions of Americans doubting the official 9/11 story. This threat is an absolute necessity. If the legislation is not passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bush, then we must aggressively support a boycott on voting for all Democrats and Republicans in the 2008 federal elections.



Third, all those committed to 9/11 truth should honor what the Founders gave us in our Constitution in case some day Americans lost confidence in the federal government, especially in Congress. That day has arrived. 9/11 was that day. They gave us the option in Article V for a convention of state delegates to propose constitutional amendments. We must see SYSTEM reforms as only achievable through constitutional amendments that Congress will never propose nor achieve through normal legislation.



Congress and the entire elitist political establishment have intentionally denied us a convention for over 200 years. The one and only requirement in Article V has more than been satisfied by over 500 state applications from all 50 states. Enough is enough. Our truth movement should join the effort of Friends of the Article V Convention at www.foavc.org by urging truth group members to join FOAVC. The political establishment fears both 9/11 truth and an Article V convention. We must grasp that 9/11 truth can bring us to the brink of political reforms and the convention is the process to obtain them.



Conclusion



The 9/11 truth movement must also be a political movement – but not in any partisan sense. 9/11 truth can help Americans take back their country. 9/11 truth can end the criminal, corrupt and conniving plutocracy that stole our government and mutilated our democracy.



We must transform 9/11 from a catalyzing event for imperialistic war-mongering to one for democracy renewal. We must convert terrorist-transfixed fear into political reform enthusiasm.



The pursuit of truth is not always the pursuit of happiness – not when the truth hurts. The 9/11 truth movement is not about finding immediate happiness. It is about rebooting American democracy and, after accomplishing that, earning happiness.



A former full professor of engineering at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and then senior official with the Congressional Office of Technology Assessment and the National Governors Association, Joel S. Hirschhorn is now an activist writer and can be reached through www.delusionaldemocracy.com. This article is based on presentations given at a recent conference sponsored by Boston 9/11 Truth.

He says what I think.

[Keith Hamburger]

I'm not sure if our government was actually behind 9/11 but I am certain they have not told us the entire truth about what happened that day, and I am certain that they have lied to us about aspects of that and hidden the truth from us.

A government that is, as stated by Lincoln (not someone I respect but someone that is respected by many), "of the people, by the people and for the people", MUST be open and transparent to the people. If anything is hidden from the citizenry of this country, as occurred with Lincoln and before, and has drastically been escalated to the point of the lies and obfuscation in regard to 9/11, then it is absolutely impossible to have a free society with a government that is responsible to the people.

There is one thing I am very confident about is that there is only one current presidential candidate that, if he finds out the government has been hiding information and lying to us, will admit the truth.

I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out which candidate will stop the lying.

Keith

[Cosmored]

Here's some evidence that 9/11 was an inside job in case anybody hasn't seen it yet.

"Painful Deceptions" is pretty informative. It's in here.
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

Here's some more stuff.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8172271955308136871
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8989407671184881047
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9210704017463126290
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLrN9PWzB_o
http://www.wtc7.net/articles/WhyIndeed09.pdf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_GISl3aAA
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/911coverup.html
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/featured.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9t_i08d1xc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fmTgfmjtzk

This picture of the nose of the plane that hit the Pentagon makes it pretty clear. It's not the nose of a 757; it's too pointed
http://www.g7welcomingcommittee.com/blog/wp-content/images/pentagon1_plane.jpg
http://www.knowledgedrivenrevolution.com/Profiles/9-11/Multimedia/Pentagon_Video.jpg

That picture is consistent with these two analyses.
http://www.physics911.ca/Dewdney:_The_Missing_Wings
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ArticlesMeyer3March2006.html

[Pookie]

Gosh, you know, PH, that is a thought-provoking piece there, but I still am not convinced that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks. I know the Bush administration leaves a lot to be desired but I really doubt they would kill our own citizens like that.
Purrs,
Pookie

[PatrickHenry]

Gosh, you know, PH, that is a thought-provoking piece there, but I still am not convinced that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks. I know the Bush administration leaves a lot to be desired but I really doubt they would kill our own citizens like that.
Purrs,
Pookie
I understand, Pookie. From the article: There is psychological resistance of millions of Americans to painful 9/11 truth – a shameful, “unthinkable� truth about their elected government. Even if they have doubts about the official story, they instinctively recoil and erect mental barriers to block out the full truth. They want to keep believing that they live in a great democracy. They want to believe that when the Bush administration is replaced our democracy will be in good shape again.

Did you look at this site, mentioned in the article? http://www.ae911truth.org/
Architects and engineers.[/quote]

[apdst]

I can't help but wonder how they've kept it a secret all this time. Anyone else wonder that?

[PatrickHenry]

It's certainly no secret.

[apdst]

It's very much a secret, if there is actually a conspiracy. Not a single person has come forward to say that 9/11 had anything to do with anyone, other than IslamoFacist terrorists. Can anyone explain to me why no one has come forward. People have stepped forward on every damn thing else, why not this?

[lily]

Gosh, you know, PH, that is a thought-provoking piece there, but I still am not convinced that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks. I know the Bush administration leaves a lot to be desired but I really doubt they would kill our own citizens like that.
Purrs,
Pookie


Pookie.......I tend to agree with you, I don't think the government would do it with this many people. Poor blacks in the Tuskeegee Syphilis experiments ...hey why not, they're expendable......but I also think that they knew something was going to happen and did nothing about it. They wanted this war.

[PatrickHenry]

No. It was just like pushing US troops through the fallout zones. http://www.ratical.org/radiation/KillingOurOwn/KOO4.html
Uncle Sam is a monster behind his fair-seeming mask.
Or consider Operation Plumbbob. (http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Plumbob.html)

apdst, you are mistaken. This topic has been discussed at length in many venues. The truth is widely known. Are you so uninformed?

Some have been gagged. Sibel Edmonds was prevented from discussing anything, by the little known State Secrets Privilege.

If you actually are willing to consider controversial issues, you should check out the link I gave above to the Architects and Engineers 9/11 Truth site. http://www.ae911truth.org

If not, then you are just a government-duped, bottom-feeding drone. Heh.

[Trish]

You know, the government - any government - being what it is - if this grand conspiracy theory had any basis in fact someone would have been all too happy to talk before now. Someone "in the know" would have already leaked documents, videos, or some other damning evidence. This level of conspiracy could not have occurred without literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans being complicit. With the number of people that would have had to be involved in this, there is no way in hell that everyone would have kept their traps shut about it. The planning alone would have taken a fairly long period of time and involved government, military, and scientific cooperation at a level that just couldn't occur in this day and age without someone somewhere discovering the evidence trail and exposing it to the world. For an operation of this magnitude there would be an evidence trail - a massive trail. While some of it might be hidden or expunged, the sheer size of it would mean that somewhere, something damning remained. And please - partisan cooperation in planning, executing, and covering up such a devastating act? Right! And Republicans and Democrats both are so loathe to use even the suggestion of wrong-doing by the other as a weapon to gut each other. They have evidence of this magnitude and don't use it against the other "side"? No way in hell that would happen. They don't use the evidence because both parties were involved? Right. And there's no one on either side that would use the info to establish themselves as THE answer to American woes. No Republican, no Democrat that would use the evidence as the supreme power grab - eviscerating both parties while establishing themselves as the one choice that tells the truth regardless of party affiliation - that has the interests of the country over partisan politics. Right.

Anyone that believes in the 9-11 Conspiracy crap has more faith in the ability of politicians to keep their traps closed and their ability to place some sort of collective good (even if that supposed collective good is woefully misplaced) over their own than do I. Whoever "discovered" evidence of this type of conspiracy and "exposed" the evidence to the country would instantly gain a level of power that would be just too tempting to pass up if such evidence existed.

[Tsky]

"This level of conspiracy could not have occurred without literally hundreds, perhaps thousands of Americans being complicit. With the number of people that would have had to be involved in this, there is no way in hell that everyone would have kept their traps shut about it. For an operation of this magnitude there would be an evidence trail - a massive trail. While some of it might be hidden or expunged, the sheer size of it would mean that somewhere, something damning remained." Trish

I think the worst argument that can be made about whether or not there was a 9/11 cover-up is that 'no one has said anything.' Certainly a scam of this magnitude would require even the most honest person to shut the hell up, lest they like death more than life. Since the people who are 'in the know' about this cover-up realize that the government does not value human life why in the world would they put their own lives in jeopardy to disclose the truth? Furthermore, how could a person who is 'in the know' explain having any knowledge or involvement in the case and yet at the same time maintain that they should be absolved of any guilt associated with knowing about or participating in this crime? When you reason things out a little you can kinda see why the people who knew about or were behind the scam would keep quiet. And certainly anyone involved in this mess has reaped huge financial rewards because of it so why would they risk life and money just so you and I know why the goverment blew up the Twin Towers?

That's the thing about cover-ups, they are usually covered-up. Sure there are savvy and thinking people who can put two and two together and realize that it doesn't equal five but when you have no firm proof of your hypothesis it all comes back to being just another conspiracy theory. That is the what the TPTB want it, they don't care if you speculate as long as you don't have all the facts. I don't know of many conspiracy theories that turned out to be proven to 100% fact and in my mind that doesn't mean all conspiracy theories are without merit, it just means that the conspirators did a good job at keeping their cover-up, covered up.

Edited to add:

I should also add that there don’t have to be thousands of people involved in the inner workings of a conspiracy in order for it to come to fruition. I am sure there are thousands of people who were involved in the 9/11 cover-up that are unknowing participants. If I work for a company and my boss gives me instructions that I don’t understand but that I carry out I can be helping facilitate a crime without knowing. Just think of the Enron employees who were unwittingly being used to shred evidence of a crime with no knowledge of what was going on.

I worked for a very high powered law firm at one time, when I started working there I had to sign a 300 page Confidentiality Agreement. Things were so confidential that 6 years later I can barely tell you what the hell I did while I worked there. I was basically paid a lot of money to type documents. When I stopped working there I read about some deals with the Taliban that the U.S. was trying to strike to build pipelines in the Middle East. Of course I was reading about this on a conspiracy website so I automatically assumed they were fudging the facts. Well it turns out I worked on one of these deals so I know at least one law firm that was involved. The deal fell through after talks broke down and I remember that we stopped working on the case. After the US invaded Afghanistan and installed their own form of government (ran by a former oil executive) the deal was back on the table and the pipelines are being constructed as we speak. I said all of that to say that I am sure the law firm I worked for had nothing to do with 9/11 (and neither did I when I was typing contracts) but years later a deal they worked on is back on the books because of 9/11. Now we can argue all day and all night about whether or not 9/11 was implemented so the US could get a solid foot on the oil revenues in the Middle East but we cannot argue with the fact that if the Taliban were still in power the deal would be a no go.

That is just a small example of how there could be thousands of people involved in a possible conspiracy theory and yet not have enough information to disclose all the facts.

[lily]

You know, the government - any government - being what it is - if this grand conspiracy theory had any basis in fact someone would have been all too happy to talk before now. Someone "in the know" would have already leaked documents, videos, or some other damning evidence.............

Yes, with one of the most secretive administrations in history you expect there to be a paper trail? When Cheney refuses to let the Archivers into his office and hundres of tapes destroyed......you actually expect there to be something?

They're still covering up Kennedy's assaination for crying out loud.

[PatrickHenry]

...The planning alone would have taken a fairly long period of time and involved government, military, and scientific cooperation at a level that just couldn't occur in this day and age without someone somewhere discovering the evidence trail and exposing it to the world. For an operation of this magnitude there would be an evidence trail - a massive trail. While some of it might be hidden or expunged, the sheer size of it would mean that somewhere, something damning remained.How right you are, Trish! This is what I am referring to!
Anyone that believes in the 9-11 Conspiracy crap has more faith in the ability of politicians to keep their traps closed and their ability to place some sort of collective good (even if that supposed collective good is woefully misplaced) over their own than do I. Whoever "discovered" evidence of this type of conspiracy and "exposed" the evidence to the country would instantly gain a level of power that would be just too tempting to pass up if such evidence existed.
The establishment has all the power it needs to keep the lid on! Partisan politics is a convenient game to keep the public distracted... and apparently it is working! On you!

But the physics of 9/11 is unexplainable with the official story.

That is why I keep pointing to the Architects and Engineers who show that the buildings were demolished with explosives. Anyone who won't view the evidence is unscientific.

How's that for an insult, lily?

[jose]

New York Times Bestselling Author Aims at 9/11 Coverup with Both Barrels Blazing
[/quote]New York Times bestselling author Steve Alten is releasing a novel January 22nd which addresses the 9/11 stand down, the injection of false radar blips into air traffic controllers' screens, PNAC, the 9/11 Commission whitewash, the Anthrax attacks, and related issues.

Written in the exciting, cloak-and-dagger style of Tom Clancy, the novel -- The Shell Game -- has a shot at educating a large segment of the American public who would otherwise remain in the dark about some aspects of 9/11.[/quote]
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/new-york-times-bestselling-author-aims.html

[Labrocca]

Hyperbole and nothing more.

I am tired of the conspiracy theorists using the word "truth" in their theories.

[potter]

If not, then you are just a government-duped, bottom-feeding drone. Heh.


Unfortunately that kind of talk will just get you shut out. You want open minds...right? :thumbsup:

[Tsky]

Hyperbole and nothing more.

I am tired of the conspiracy theorists using the word "truth" in their theories.


I have agree with you on that.

Meanwhile, scientists say 'theory' is the new 'fact.'

Hopefully you can see why some of us are confused.

[Trish]

If this was a fact and not some half-baked boogey-man in the bushes story then hell yes there's a paper trail somewhere! And what's more there's a money trail. Everything involved with such a conspiracy would have to be paid for by someone. Those involved would have to communicate with each other someway. Even those "unwittingly" involved would have to be communicted with in some fashion in order for this to come about. All those things leave some sort of record to some extent, somewhere, with someone.

Whoever discovered these trails and made them public would instantly gain a level of power that would be unprecedented. And politicians being what they are, the temptation of that kind of power would be much too great to keep everyone quiet despite what risks might also come along with the ride. I can think of a dozen ways that someone could arrange for these things to become known without being obviously directly involved. When the proverbial shit hit the fan after all this info had done its job there would still be more than enough time to step forward and let everyone know who the American "savior" was and to reap the rewards.

No, I do not believe the American government was behind the 9/11 attack. I base that belief on my knowledge of human nature.

[Finuzzo!]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

[jose]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

if Maddox in salt lake city says so it must be true:ponder:

[PatrickHenry]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9289
This raises the question whether the public, about to vote in the 2008 election, can exercise the constitutional restraints that Congress and the media have failed to supply. The answer, I submit, lies in what I would call Internet Politics, the mobilization of nationwide pressures on candidates in the next election through internet coordination.

There is I believe a latent majority of Americans who could agree to ask all candidates to

a) review and revise the Military Commissions Act of 2006, to unequivocally restore habeas corpus, within the limitations of the U.S. Constitution, Article One, Section 9;

b) unequivocally outlaw torture;

c) review and restrict the provisions for warrantless electronic surveillance in the Protect America Act of 2007.

d) vote for The American Freedom Agenda Act of 2007 (H.R. 3835), which addresses these and other issues. This bill was introduced by U.S. Rep. Ron Paul on October 15, 2007, and is supported by both the Republican American Freedom Agenda, and the Democratic American Freedom Campaign.

Those in the 911truth movement could ask candidates to take two further steps

d) insist on the right of the Homeland Security Committees in Congress to review the COG appendices to National Security Presidential Directive (NSPD)-51;

e) support a law to force all government agencies to collaborate with the National Archives, in fulfillment of the 9/11 Commission’s commitment to release its supporting records to the public in 2009.

But social thought is socially fashioned. For it to be effective it must be mobilized, and become more than a chorus of bloggers croaking from our backwater lilypads in the blogomarsh. Clearly it would take a strenuous concerted effort to create or persuade a movement, such as MoveOn, to take on all these issues.

Is it possible that some organization can be persuaded to accept this challenge, and take the first steps in mobilizing such a force?

[PatrickHenry]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9368

Turns out that Tim Russert's interview with Darth Cheney five days after 9/11 shows how the VP was in charge of the events of that day...contradicting the lies of the 9/11 (Whitewash) Commission.

Those elitist bastards killed thousands of Ameicans to stampede us into a war that profits them and their friends.

[Pookie]

Mybe some folks need to be very, very careful when they post.
Purrs,
Pookie

[Muser]

That's the thing about cover-ups, they are usually covered-up. Sure there are savvy and thinking people who can put two and two together and realize that it doesn't equal five but when you have no firm proof of your hypothesis it all comes back to being just another conspiracy theory. That is the what the TPTB want it, they don't care if you speculate as long as you don't have all the facts.

I don't know of many conspiracy theories that turned out to be proven to 100% fact and in my mind that doesn't mean all conspiracy theories are without merit, it just means that the conspirators did a good job at keeping their cover-up, covered up.

Edzachary. Anyone who thinks the government (or the CIA) can't keep things covered up is ignorant and quite not well-read. How many people were involved in keeping things quiet with Operation Mongoose and the various plans to assassinate Castro? Back in that day, if some "conspiracist" said, "Hey, I've dug around and found what I think is proof the US is secretly trying to assassinate Castro" - how many people would've disbelieved and mocked that person for such an outrageous, ludicrous assertion, saying, "Hey, if it were true, we'd know 'cuz there'd be someone mouthing off about it". Uh-huh. Rrrrrriiiigghht. And sure enough, after many years, it was proven true.

I wonder how many "nutcases" were laughed at and derided for their suspicions about what came to be the very real Project MKULTRA, the CIA's experiment into mind control upon unwitting participants. Try and imagine how those people would sound to someone's ears right now if that was occurring today. And, of course, their suspicions were right.

Doing a little research into Operation Northwoods, Gladio, the Church Committee, etc., is proof enough that broadscale, corruptive collusion for illegal or political gain goes on ALL THE TIME, with the little people never the wiser. Quite frankly, it's the very definition of government and their quasi-agents. Then 20-odd years later when declassification occurs, it's ancient history that's deemed irrelevant.

The F-22 is just one example of how hundreds, if not thousands, of people can keep something a secret, both during design and manufacturing phases, as well as now in its current use - much of the F-22's true capability is still a secret and speculative, at best.

Don't tell me the government can't keep secrets, and don't tell me that hundreds of unwitting participants can't be made to be unknowing accessories.

Incidentally, Tsky, have a look at a post I made fairly recently about 7 Insane Conspiracies That Actually Happened. (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?t=13484)

I'm not an official "9-11 Truther" - but it's for damn sure I don't buy the government's "official" story, either. Many things don't add up and don't pass the smell test.

[Waffletush]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9368

Turns out that Tim Russert's interview with Darth Cheney five days after 9/11 shows how the VP was in charge of the events of that day...contradicting the lies of the 9/11 (Whitewash) Commission.

Those elitist bastards killed thousands of Ameicans to stampede us into a war that profits them and their friends.

How can you say this, but call people who deny we landed on the moon looney?

[PatrickHenry]

How can you say this, but call people who deny we landed on the moon looney?
It's simple...WTC7 collapsed in a heap...after fires that were not even that big.

See, the steel-framed office building is an extensively studied structure.

And they don't just fall in on themselves after a fire.

There is one thing that drops them at free fall speed, though.

Cutter charges.

And even though there were no human victims to search for in WTC7, the "clean-up" was exclusive and an obvious cover-up. There was no forensic study of what caused a 47 story office building to implode. It's very obvious to all except the mind-numbed mass media glutton who can't see past the tip of their nose. Why was there no strict examination of a disaster that was unprecedented in all of history?

WTC7 was a demolition and there was no time on 9/11 to set the charges.

Thus we are faced with foreknowledge and collusion. :evil:

This opens the door to all the rest of the false-flag conclusions. :ponder:

[I Like Beer]

PH - I think you're a good guy but...

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000140.html

9/11 and The Birth of a Notion

Recently, Rosie O'Donnell said on national television that she believes 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government.

Rosie O'Donnell making such a claim on a major network is a national disgrace. The fact that much of the audience cheered and applauded is nothing less than a national catastrophe.

To her, and to her audience, it is taken as granted that the government is capable of such things. As if "the government" was operated by cyborgs grown in Haliburton vats, rather than by well-meaning and patriotic people that love this country.

"This is the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel," she said. This is a statement of such pristine and perfect idiocy that it surely must be emblazoned in stone across the entrance to the Physics Imbecile wing of the Moron Museum of Natural History.

I will make the point yet again because I believe it is the crux of the issue: what kind of moral universe do you have to inhabit to be able to believe that your own people -- airline personnel, demolition experts, police and security forces, faked witnesses and all the rest -- are capable of such a thing? How much hate for your own society do you have to carry in order to live in such a desolate and ridiculous mental hell? What psychoses must a mind be riddled with in order to negate what was perfectly obvious and instead believe a theory of such monumental fantasy? How much pure constant hatred does that take? What, in short, is the miserable black hole of self-loathing that drives a person like Rosie O'Donnell and millions like her?


This whole ball of earwax got started when a French author (by way of gratitude, I presume, for the hundreds of thousands of Americans killed defending his country from a tyranny they themselves were unwilling to fight) claimed that the hole in the Pentagon was far too small to have been caused by a jet. It must have been a missile!

All of these 9/11 conspiracy sites have museum-grade idiots stating what 'obviously' happens at velocities and temperatures that they are flat-out incapable of understanding. Not only are these people too stupid to understand the physics involved with what they are bloviating about -- they are too stupid to realize that they are too stupid.

An airplane is a hollow, extremely light-weight tube of aluminum, cunningly designed to lift not one ounce more than is necessary for safe flight in rough weather. An airplane is as fragile as a hollow-boned bird, and for the same reasons. The Pentagon, on the other hand, is a fortress, and as a matter of one of the very few pieces of good luck on that awful day, the side hit by American Flight 77 happened to be the only one of the five sides that had been recently reinforced to withstand a truck bomb attack.

Now if you have ever seen a bird fly into a window pane, you may realize that it does not leave a nice bird-shaped hole in the window. That is because in each historical conflict between the ground and an airplane, the ground has won every time.

My other small contribution -- which may be widely stated, although I have not seen it -- is to grant this revolting premise for a moment and envision the consequences.

The 9/11 Truthers claim that the twin towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Okay.

Have you ever seen a controlled demolition? Shows like this are all over The Discovery Channel. Do these people realize how all of the insulation and paneling must be stripped away from the support beams? Do they not understand how these beams must be cut open and the explosives placed with great care? Have they not any idea of the amount of time this takes -- months -- and the forest of wires that runs through the structure to the detonating mechanism? Have they given no thought -- none? -- to what an enormous job this is, and how much work goes into getting these explosives exactly where they need to be?

Apparently not. They just figure someone leaves a suitcase somewhere, I guess.

Anyone who has ever -- ever -- seen what is required to bring down a building of that size knows that the site is a disaster area of det cord, pulled paneling, and huge bundles of explosives taped to the structural columns across many floors. Has no one considered that this all had to be started after everyone went home on Monday night and before people reported for work the next day? On multiple floors of two of the busiest public spaces in the world?

No one noticed this on Tuesday morning? Hey Jim, what do you suppose that huge bundle of plastic explosives is doing there where the water cooler used to be? And where do those wires go? Well, must be some logical explanation. Let's get some coffee and bagels.

Now you're talking!

Of all the people in those buildings that morning, no one -- no one -- saw any wires anywhere? No one asked why the drywall was torn down and replaced with grey stuff duct-taped into place? None of the firemen rushing into those burning towers, checking all those floors for survivors -- none of them noticed the building was rigged to explode? That it might possibly be worth a small call on the radio?

My father was interred at Arlington National Cemetery in 2002. I will never forget that day. It changed my life, and it was the event that started me writing here at Eject! Eject! Eject!

The man who coordinated that service was on a hill about a half-mile from that side of the Pentagon on the morning of September 11th, 2001. He told me that they had been informed that something was going on in New York that morning. Then he heard something that he said he thought was a missile attack -- a roar so loud and so far beyond a normal jet sound that he looked up at that exact moment expecting to die.

What he saw emerge from the trees overhead, perhaps a hundred feet above him, was American Airlines Flight 77 as it went by in a silver blur, engines screaming in a power dive as it hit the near side of the Pentagon. He told me -- to my face -- that body parts had rained down all over that sacred field. Just like red hail on a summer day. Those body parts are buried in a special place at the base of that hill.

Now. If Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of that Lunatic Brigade is right and I am wrong, then that man -- that insignificant Army chaplain and his Honor Guard of forty men -- are all liars. He is lying to me for Halliburton and Big Oil. That Chaplain -- and all of those decent, patriotic young men in the Honor Guard, and all the commuters on the roads who saw an American Airlines jet instead of a missile -- all of those people are liars and accessories to murder. And all of the firefighters who went into buildings rigged to explode were pre-recruited suicide martyrs dying for George W. Bush's plans for world conquest. Remember: NOTHING that happened on September 11th needed any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact... namely, that Islamic terrorists hijacked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince people of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands.

It's an obscenity. It's a filthy, God-damned, criminal obscenity. Nothing less.

[Waffletush]

It's simple...WTC7 collapsed in a heap...after fires that were not even that big.

See, the steel-framed office building is an extensively studied structure.

And they don't just fall in on themselves after a fire.

There is one thing that drops them at free fall speed, though.

Cutter charges.

And even though there were no human victims to search for in WTC7, the "clean-up" was exclusive and an obvious cover-up. There was no forensic study of what caused a 47 story office building to implode. It's very obvious to all except the mind-numbed mass media glutton who can't see past the tip of their nose. Why was there no strict examination of a disaster that was unprecedented in all of history?

WTC7 was a demolition and there was no time on 9/11 to set the charges.

Thus we are faced with foreknowledge and collusion. :evil:

This opens the door to all the rest of the false-flag conclusions. :ponder:

Except all of the conspiracy theories you subsrcibe to have been, time and again, disproven in scientific journals.

Are we to belive GWB, who everyone thinks is so dumb he cannot see his feet, has convinced the scientific community to side with him and present false evidence in order to cover up a vast conspiracy that?

But yet you discount people who think we did nto land on the moon as nutballs.

This opens the door to all the rest of the false-flag conclusions. :ponder:

I'll say. Have you read your posts recently? :)

[PatrickHenry]

Show me where I said the moon landing was real or a hoax.

All I know is I saw the rocks and the US better have those left-behind lunar landers in place on Luna when other nations show up. As they eventually will... Or Uncle Sam will have a giant mud pie in his face. I don't think officials would risk that type of refutation for very little gain. So it seems to me that the landings actually took place.

But no one has shown how a 47 story skyscraper collapsed in a heap at free-fall speed due to fire.

Sorry...you just have not shown how...

And ILBeer, your quoted comment is unscientific, a bloviated opinion no better than the accusation towards Rosie ODonnell. It's beneath contempt, not to mention full of lies. Wires are not required for demolitions, wireless detonators are easily obtained.
And there is plenty of room between floors above T-bar ceilings for demo charges. The firemens radio calls spoke of explosions. The whole article is a piece of dreck.

Matter of fact, Alex Jones warned of this false-flag op before it happened in the summer of 2001.

I don't care if people think I am a nice guy or not. The hoax of 9/11's official story is what is a national disgrace... not that people are noticing, but that officialdom has covered it up. And that the public as a whole is too blinded by the opinions fed to them to see it for themselves.

But to my great satisfaction the Truth Movement is growing. I recommend that you all remove your blinders and do the investigations yourselves. http://www.ae911truth.org/

Yes, Bush is stupid and evil at the same time. And he seems to have gotten away with most of his crimes.

[I Like Beer]

And ILBeer, your quoted comment is unscientific, a bloviated opinion no better than the accusation towards Rosie ODonnell. It's beneath contempt, not to mention full of lies. Wires are not required for demolitions, wireless detonators are easily obtained.
And there is plenty of room between floors above T-bar ceilings for demo charges. The firemens radio calls spoke of explosions. The whole article is a piece of dreck.

I just don't understand your logic. You ask us to accept that WTC7 falling at near-free fall speed is "proof" that it was brought down intentionally. Yet, you seem to give no credence to the eye witnesses. Again, all of these 'liars' are accessories to murder. Why would they do that?

Furthermore, the link you posted says Demolishing the building so that it collapses straight down into its own footprint requires such skill that only a handful of demolition companies in the world will attempt it.

So, demolition experts of rare skill work over an indeterminate period of time planting explosives in key places in at least three buildings. They do this without ever being seen, without any evidence of their work being seen. None of these people let slip to anyone what they are doing even though they all know they are going to kill a lot of people.

They use wireless detonators which are not used in the industry because they are unreliable. They would also have to make sure that no other transmitters on that day didn't set off the explosions. Fires break out in the building, yet they don't set off, or interfere with the explosives in any way. Then, on top of this they bring down WTC7 several hours later? Why leave it standing for so long? This could only increase the chance that the fires would mess things up, or that the explosives would be discovered.

It makes no sense.

[PatrickHenry]

Just show how WTC7 collapsed in a free-fall heap without explosives.

[Deadshot]

Just show how WTC7 collapsed in a free-fall heap without explosives.

Nobody needs to because you're locked into your belief and we in ours. I believe we landed on the moon, but I also believe that the JFK assassination was not done by a lone gunman. It would take a preponderance of evidence to shake my belief in either view.

Even if I could explain the collapse of WTC7 with charts, graphs, expert witnesses, etc., I really doubt I could convince you that you were wrong. So why try?

[PatrickHenry]

...So why try? Aside from the fact that this is a debate forum? Heh.

Fact is, lawman...nobody has explained it, not even the officials in charge of the story.

[Deadshot]

No the fact is that no one has explained it to YOUR satisfaction. For most people this isn't on the radar screen of thier lives.

If you want to believe it's a conspiracy, fine. I think there's a chance you could be right. For me, it's just not that important to find out, because if we did find out that our own government had a hand in it, most people wouldn't even believe it, even if you Jesus Christ standing behind you supporting your story.

[PatrickHenry]

On the contrary, Deadshot...no one has explained WTC7's free-fall collapse due to fire AT ALL.

Question, my friend...Observe this skyline.

http://www.emporis.com/files/scapes/city/day/102589.jpg

See the tallest building in the center? Tampa's Region's Building.

Shorter than WTC7...

What if it had a fire lasting a few hours and then collapsed into a small heap at free-fall speed? Would you expect a major investigation and explanation as to why it fell apart?

I would, but no one saw fit to do so at WTC7.

They just dropped bombs on Afghanistan and occupied Iraq.

[I Like Beer]

Just show how WTC7 collapsed in a free-fall heap without explosives.

It collapsed in 8.2 seconds, right? That doesn't include from when the east penthouse fell. Incidentally, why did that happen? I guess the explosives which survived the intense fires weren't timed exactly right?

Plugging 8.2 seconds into simple physics...

Distance = (.5) X Acceleration Gravity X Time (squared)

D=(.5)X(9.8m/ss)X(8.2s)X(8.2s)
= 330 metres.

WTC7 was only 226 metres tall.

Again, doing some simple math, that's freefall for a 68 story building (almost 50% larger than WTC7).

Now, let's say that it DID fall at freefall speed. That means the total collapse would have to be
TIME=square root ((2XDistance/acceleration due to gravity))
= square root (2X226/9.8)
= 6.8 seconds.

During that last second, the building would have been traveling at
velocity= acceleration X time
=9.8 X 6.8
= 67 metres/second. Which is close to 1/3 of the buildings total height. That gives you such an incredible margin of error, that you can't say it fell at near free fall speed.

Here's a pdf that gives a much more reasonable account of it's collapse that isn't about setting unseen charges that can withstand intense fire, controlled wirelessly, that sort-of work in tandem though not quite (as witnessed by the collapse of the east penthouse).

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives/2007-11/SF-WTC7-Gilsanz-Nov07.pdf

You really have to tie yourself in knots to justify this.

In that last second, the building would have been travelling

[PatrickHenry]

Yeah...gotcha...Ramon Gilsanz...

Ooookay....

I don't know if you have ever seen sprayed-on fireproofing on steel building elements.

I have, during the rough construction phases...believe me, it doesn't lend itself to the faulty scenario Ramon proposes.

But at least you tried to show how a steel building could collapse in a heap from fire.

Gee, I wonder why we don't just scrape off the fireproofing and set some kerosene on fire to demoish skyscrapers....

[MCTHOUSAND]

Yeah...gotcha...Ramon Gilsanz...

Ooookay....

I don't know if you have ever seen sprayed-on fireproofing on steel building elements.

I have, during the rough construction phases...believe me, it doesn't lend itself to the faulty scenario Ramon proposes.

But at least you tried to show how a steel building could collapse in a heap from fire.

Gee, I wonder why we don't just scrape off the fireproofing and set some kerosene on fire to demoish skyscrapers....


I wonder if the jets had anything to do with it?

[PatrickHenry]

I wonder if the jets had anything to do with it?
Yeah, good question since WTC7 was not hit with a jet...:grrrr:

[Pookie]

Oh please. I have already explained this but there are folks here who really won't even try to understand facts.
So. They are welcome to their own beliefs, flying in the face of total facts.
I've been debating this, bringing up facts (check my posts) and dealing with these conspiracy theorists is like trying to ski through a revolving door.
I say to hell with these ideas, keep blabbing on and on, I will not be listening to what I consider poo.
So, knock it off. Defend your positions but remember, some of us are tired of hearing all these conspiracy theories.
Purrs,
Pookie

[I Like Beer]

Yeah...gotcha...Ramon Gilsanz...

Ooookay....

I don't know if you have ever seen sprayed-on fireproofing on steel building elements.

I have, during the rough construction phases...believe me, it doesn't lend itself to the faulty scenario Ramon proposes.

But at least you tried to show how a steel building could collapse in a heap from fire.

Gee, I wonder why we don't just scrape off the fireproofing and set some kerosene on fire to demoish skyscrapers....

Can I have some explanation as to why Dr. or Mr. Gilsanz is unworthy?

Nope, never seen sprayed-on fireproofing, I take it you're an expert?

Uhhhmm, there was also a huge gash on the side of the building from the 18th floor down from damage from the collapsing WTC.

Why do you ignore the other points I brought up? The penthouse falling several seconds before the rest, how the charges managed to withstand the fire, 8.2 seconds being enough time to bring down a building 50% higher at freefall speed?

[Waffletush]

These people (in the 9/11 truth movement) use the 'reverse scientific method.' They determine what happened, throw out all the data that doesn't fit their conclusion, and then hail their findings as the only possible conclusion.

~Thomas Eagar, a professor of materials science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology


I bet Bush convinced him to say that. :)

[Milton Bradley]

Gee, I wonder why we don't just scrape off the fireproofing and set some kerosene on fire to demoish skyscrapers....


Indeed. That would make some peoples jobs much safer, and preclude these companies from having to transport explosives through crowded city centers. It would prbably save a lot of money as well.

[PatrickHenry]

Can I have some explanation as to why Dr. or Mr. Gilsanz is unworthy?

Nope, never seen sprayed-on fireproofing, I take it you're an expert?

Uhhhmm, there was also a huge gash on the side of the building from the 18th floor down from damage from the collapsing WTC.

Why do you ignore the other points I brought up? The penthouse falling several seconds before the rest, how the charges managed to withstand the fire, 8.2 seconds being enough time to bring down a building 50% higher at freefall speed?Paid professional shills are unworthy.

I am no expert on fireproofing steel framing, just a carpenter who has worked around the process and seen the results. They are impressive.
The stuff is thick and hard (sorta like my pecker). Keeps fire from doing the damage it did to the Oakland overpass.

The gash in the side of WTC7 didn't make the building fall. It stood for many hours after the collapses of the WTC1&2.

Penthouse falling before the rest? Sorta like how an intentional demolition moves in sequence?

The fire was minor and the charges of RDX are not particularly heat sensitive.

And I don't consider 8.2 seconds for total collapse a significantly greater time than free-fall. Especially if you factor in the physics of Conservation of Momentum.

You can see the explosive squibs if you watch the video of the building drop.

[I Like Beer]

Paid professional shills are unworthy.

And the people making money from perpetrating the hoax of a 9/11 conspiracy aren't shills?

The gash in the side of WTC7 didn't make the building fall. It stood for many hours after the collapses of the WTC1&2.

The two things combined brought it down. The gash weakened the structure and the fires did the rest.

Penthouse falling before the rest? Sorta like how an intentional demolition moves in sequence?

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The penthouse fell about 7 seconds before the rest of the building fell.

I looked for other examples where a top part of the building fell so long before the rest, and couldn't. Real controlled implosions looked like this.
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So, why the disparity?

The fire was minor and the charges of RDX are not particularly heat sensitive.
Does this look like a SMALL fire?
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In the second clip you can hear firefighter refer to the hole and say 'that building is going to come down'. There are two more accessories to murder to add to your count.

And I don't consider 8.2 seconds for total collapse a significantly greater time than free-fall. Especially if you factor in the physics of Conservation of Momentum.

You wanna take me through the math of that, please?

You can see the explosive squibs if you watch the video of the building drop.
Video?

[Osborn F. Enready]

Keith said:
I'm not sure if our government was actually behind 9/11 but I am certain they have not told us the entire truth about what happened that day, and I am certain that they have lied to us about aspects of that and hidden the truth from us.

A government that is, as stated by Lincoln (not someone I respect but someone that is respected by many), "of the people, by the people and for the people", MUST be open and transparent to the people. If anything is hidden from the citizenry of this country, as occurred with Lincoln and before, and has drastically been escalated to the point of the lies and obfuscation in regard to 9/11, then it is absolutely impossible to have a free society with a government that is responsible to the people.

There is one thing I am very confident about is that there is only one current presidential candidate that, if he finds out the government has been hiding information and lying to us, will admit the truth.

I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out which candidate will stop the lying.

100% totally agree.....and I know who that candidate would be.

[jafar00]

BOOM! Explosions soon before WTC went down.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0YvrKfWkxdw

"Keep your eye on that building, it'll be coming down"
"The whole thing's about blow up, move it back"
"Walk it back, because the building's about to blow up... flame and debris coming down"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9CXQY-bZn4

Yeah right, building 7 wasn't a controlled demolition. They kept warning everyone about it and the BBC reported it's collapse before it happened like they had a press release already prepared because they knew about it in advance.

[I Like Beer]

They kept warning everyone about it and the BBC reported it's collapse before it happened like they had a press release already prepared because they knew about it in advance.

So let me get this straight....

This American government conspiracy, which was pulled off without anyone finding out about it, took the time to inform the BBC in advance that building 7 would collapse?

Why in hell would they do that? Isn't that a little risky? Wouldn't the BBC say, 'what a minute, how did they know'? Unless,of course, they are also accessories to murder like so many other eye witnesses. The 'conspirators' would have known the building would have come down anyway, so why take that risk? It defies logic.

A more LIKELY reason is this. It was being reported that the building was going to collapse. The firefighters had been 'pulled' hours before. The BBC misinterpreted that as saying it 'had' collapsed. I remember on that day hearing reports of snipers in the streets, or lost planes in Alaska.

Jafar, I'm sure I don't have you give you examples of the western media 'getting it wrong'.

Also, just because I don't believe in these conspiracy theories, don't think I support the current American Government one iota - I most certainly do not.