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K-D-K-D-K
12-21-2007, 05:23 AM
The liberals are at it again this time sneeking in legislation to cut funding of the border fence that President Bush signed into law to be built. This is very disturbing and this will encourage illegals to enter the country.







http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071218/NATION/209889236/1001

Spending bill shrinks border fence
By S.A. Miller and Stephen Dinan
December 18, 2007
Congress last night passed a giant new spending bill that undermines current plans for a U.S.-Mexico border fence, allowing the Homeland Security Department to build a single-tier barrier rather than the two-tier version that has worked in California.



The spending bill, written by Democrats and passed 253-154 with mostly their votes, surrenders to President Bush's budget demands, meeting his spending limit with a $515 billion bill to fund most of the federal government and setting up votes to pay for the Iraq war. But Democrats reached his goal in part by slashing his defense and foreign-aid priorities to pay for added domestic spending.



The concessions promise to end a months-long budget standoff before Congress adjourns for the year and takes a Christmas break scheduled to start by Friday. In a rare two-step maneuver, the House first voted 253-154 to approve the bill to fund most of the civilian Cabinet agencies, and then voted 206-201 to add about $30 billion for Afghanistan war-spending to the measure.



But the measures did not pass before House Republicans blasted the changes to the border fence.



"The fact that this was buried in a bloated, 3,500-page omnibus speaks volumes about the Democrats' unserious approach on border security and illegal immigration," said House Minority Leader John A. Boehner, Ohio Republican. "Gutting the Secure Fence Act will make our borders less secure, but it's consistent with the pattern of behavior we've seen all year from this majority."



The 2006 Secure Fence Act specifically called for "two layers of reinforced fencing" and listed five specific sections of border where it should be installed. The new spending bill removes the two-tier requirement and the list of locations.



House Democrats said they were just adopting the Senate version, which was backed by a bipartisan group of border-state senators and passed the Senate several times this year.



Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, the Texas Republican who has led the charge to change the 2006 law, said she wants to give Homeland Security more flexibility and wants local officials and landowners to be consulted.



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Shintao
12-21-2007, 05:43 AM
The liberals are at it again this time sneeking in legislation to cut funding of the border fence that President Bush signed into law to be built. This is very disturbing and this will encourage illegals to enter the country.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20071218/NATION/209889236/1001



Fiscal responsibility. Where are the studies showing we need this fence to stop illegals? Why wouldn't a few snipers be a cheaper choice? As for the CA wall, they tunneled under it, and put in an underground railway. The fence is a waste of money.

Further, if the US Military can't stop the infiltration of weapons into Iraq, what makes you think a few border patrol will do any better with a fence? :ecstatic:

Red Dragon
12-21-2007, 05:56 AM
And an individual's money should go to this waste of funds why? There are better places for tax money to go then being used to build a wall, the first one that comes to mind is the inside of the individual's wallet. But I digress this is not about that subject. Now one question I have to ask is, if goods and currency are able to cross the border freely, in the name of free trade, why shouldn't labor be able to do the same. There should be no illegal immigrats because for most of our history all immigrants were legal immigrants; there were no restrictions on immigration. In the 19th century, when millions of Irish came to America - maybe even the O'Beirnes - there were no restrictions on immigration and thus no "illegal immigrants". There were rules governing naturalisation and citizenship (Not a big fan of those though), but anyone who could get here could live and work here. The first restrictive immigration law, that I know of was the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882. And then in 1921 the Temporary Quota Act first imposed numerical limits on immigration based on "national quotas". Since then we have had both legal and illegal immigrants. I like the older policy better, much more in line with free trade. Unlike now with our protectionist policies that inhibit trade between individuals.

ViolaLee
12-21-2007, 06:10 AM
How do you propose to balance the budget with all the Republican spending? What happened to fiscal conservatism? The Republicans want to spend billions on the war, on a border fence, on their earmarks, on subsidies for the oil companies.

Where do you suggest we draw the line?

Oh yes, children's health care, right?

Shintao
12-21-2007, 06:21 AM
And then in 1921 the Temporary Quota Act first imposed numerical limits on immigration based on "national quotas". Since then we have had both legal and illegal immigrants. I like the older policy better, much more in line with free trade. Unlike now with our protectionist policies that inhibit trade between individuals.


Seems people were made aware back in 1988-89 under Bush Sr. that WTO would bring open border trading. I don't recall it bringing open border working.[hr]How do you propose to balance the budget with all the Republican spending?

Yes, these guys have forgot what the definition of "conservative" is.

Occupation: Tunnel Rat

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Bush's fence is progressing nicely.
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Night time shot of fence. http://tinyurl.com/2efcmc

Red Dragon
12-21-2007, 07:05 AM
And then in 1921 the Temporary Quota Act first imposed numerical limits on immigration based on "national quotas". Since then we have had both legal and illegal immigrants. I like the older policy better, much more in line with free trade. Unlike now with our protectionist policies that inhibit trade between individuals.


Seems people were made aware back in 1988-89 under Bush Sr. that WTO would bring open border trading. I don't recall it bringing open border working.
Sadly it did not bring free trade, mostly because for their to be free trade there has to be trade of goods without taxes (including tariffs) or other trade barriers (e.g., quotas on imports or subsidies for producers), trade in services without taxes or other trade barriers. The absence of trade-distorting policies (such as taxes, subsidies, regulations or laws) that give some firms, households or factors of production an advantage over others, Free access to markets, Free access to market information, the inability of firms to distort markets through government-imposed monopoly or oligopoly power, the free movement of capital between and within countries, and the free movement of labor between and within countries. So until we have free movement of labor, we can not by definition have free trade. Also we do have trade barriers, so for all the talk of free trade we've never had it, or we at least haven't had it for a very long time. This is why I find republicans talking about free trade to be a strange thing, also that and one of the most famous republicans, Abraham Lincoln called himself a "Henry Clay tariff Whig". He strongly opposed free trade when formed and implemented at 44 percent tariff during the Civil War in part to pay for the building of the Union-Pacific Railroad, the war effort, and to protect American industry. That and the build a giant wall to stop the globalazation of labor, really doesn't help the case for them.

bobbylien
12-21-2007, 03:04 PM
How much would a border fence large enough to keep illegals out cost? It would surely have to be manned with about 3 towers per mile... how much would that cost? The idea is completely ridiculous... even Bush is smart enough to realize this.

Buck Laser
12-21-2007, 03:12 PM
The liberals are at it again this time sneeking in legislation to cut funding of the border fence that President Bush signed into law to be built. This is very disturbing and this will encourage illegals to enter the country.

I take that as a sign that the democrats don't have their heads up their asses like the republicans do on this issue. As one who knows something firsthand about the border, a border-to-border fence is the most misbegotten idea since the Maginot Line in France.

Fishingriver
12-21-2007, 03:21 PM
The wall is a monument. It represents the monumental incompetence of the Bush/GOP.