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kisaac
07-30-2006, 04:06 PM
Next to the recent military and culture attacks against this Middle Eastern nation you will find many are in a state of predominant mood to present all types of visionary, cloudy and screened spins regards this very long “ancient-new war” crisis in the Middle East. I cannot help it but to say it out loud that these spins are toxic, and these people ought to study history in order to be able to acknowledge this nation’s historical facts, present them pure to the world of any political twists and any shallow spins models or irrational analysis.

The Redlines - in lieu of this new battlefield in Lebanon – and it is all connected - voices of the “Original Truth” have gone out of all closed rusty doors and all the "Redlines" just got wiped off. Which is a green light to sincere scholars, writers and not - flamers- to go ahead and dig deep into the ground, open the deep ancient wells of knowledge and wisdom shake the thick coats of dust off all history books. For inside these books one who is welling to learn is going to find the “Original Truth” and the major elements to this present ancient-new war equation.

Anti occupation - One’s brain cannot help it but to go out wander curious as to what considers to be a true motivation to these active anti-occupation parties anti American new middle east to announce it will lay down its arms and press forward with devolution - the political process of obtaining local governing rights. Frankly, in the case of Hezbollah and Hamas parties this goal had been accomplished already and no longer is a wishful goal, in all literal sense this is still one solid goal but is not the final projected goal.

US New Middle East Vision -True peace and democracy have been essential requirements for any strong harmony foundation. Therefore, how can this US old-new vision of "New Middle East" - (peaceful, productive, and free of extremists, free of nuclear power and its resources fully controlled only by the US) be well-founded and see the light? If, in fact the core of this vision still widely unfair and the proposed pillars are already saggy - its original true goals having been talking about from twenty some years ago. However, taking the knowledge we so far have one can come to realization that this vision is not going to see the light, because of these factors:

1. It represents clear confirmation that shows the rejection to true deep understanding to this nation’s long ancient history, valuable contributions to human race, ignoring the pyramids of its current challenges and its people’s future.

2. It will be still focused directly on the US’s old single sided policies in the Middle East and the continuation of many unwritten agreements of comprehensive support. These US agreements were cooked and done behind closed doors to supply different pipe-lines of support only to its allies in the region with special assigned treatments to Israel the US hammer in this region.

3. Regional Powers – is still unbalanced and wobbling on the top of the US owned needle head. And while the US is still trying hard standing on one leg to control this challenge, still practicing this old saying “If you are not with US, so you are against us” no peace or harmony will be allowed when still having an occupation ruling authority, using advanced military striking power with fists, showing no mercy, strongly opposing all the natural rights of human beings and having the Modern International Community watching, scrutinizing its media materials trying to keep it at the low volume so they will not be hold accountable.

4. Religion – when it comes to it, still is and is going to be a master factor and very powerful one cannot be missed - One should not and could not be overlook the fact that some will give up all their well-beings (if they must) to officially prove that their “Holy Book” is the righteous one and their ancestor's ancient secrets of territorial goals are still a live and someday must take a place. What some are saying now is very true it is a war of survival and all about "life or death" never was or is going to be about kidnapping anyone.

Knowing of the argument that God gave the "Promised Land" to the Jews, its borders are extending from the Nile to the Euphrates – this argument is one major obstacle and factor to overcome. How could peace not war reveal while still having more than one power or religion with ancient long term goals of local territorial expansion in this region and gradually have been trying to bring them out to real live. "On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates —". Frankly, this one ancient long term goal is neither a secret nor is new knowledge. In any case, the Middle Eastern nation - true Jews, Christians, Muslims and others - out of all new nations, always will be one of the inheritors to all scrolls of ancient history, knowledge and wisdom for true peace and harmony.

4. True understanding - long term Peace in New Middle East - will be accomplished only when the modern world come to a literal realization and true understanding to the importance of all the ramifications to the middle east peace primary elements, and acknowledge one mere challenge which can be put in one small tiny frame (This nation of the present proposed “New Middle East” theory can not and will not allow itself to even visualize any outside invading authority to force their ways of living or thinking, let alone to have them determine their future years and take over their resources) – many years ago this nation began once again another new trail to reach self-reliance and has been granted with major accomplishments and credits. and this same nation has been trying its very best to avoid these strange but dangers western slavery intentions and finally, it did acknowledge that it must learn the benefits and the impacts of becoming an open minded nation by getting out of the box and look from the outside in order to protect itself.

5. Present reality - confirms these well-known primary elements and these mere challenges, and one ought to be convinced that this nation like all others never willing or ready to allow any earthly power to bring its present civilizations back to a “Zero Point” again, without committing suicide and most definitely grab hold of this earthly power and everyone else who has been involve with it and hold on to them on its way back to this point. This nation is now at a very dangerous stage of no turning back they have had enough and the more loses they endure the faster they reunite and become one stronger nation.

To conclude, the US is strongly against all Pan-Arabism and has been using this Zionism government to attack all anti “New American Middle East”, in general Muslims, Christians and even Jews for this matter in order to forced them to follow the US goals of controlling the natural recourses of this region and turn around and use them as a pressure factor at the bargaining table with the modern western world and Asia -to be more specific China and North Korea- in order to re-balance a new world order.


FYI

US, New Middle East Vision http://www.brendastardom.com/arch.asp?ArchID=942

Who are Hamas? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/middle_east/2001/israel_and_the_palestinians/profiles/1654510.stm

Who are Hezbollah? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1908671.stm

kanyon40
07-30-2006, 06:42 PM
I can honestly say that I don't understand your theory enough to vote on it. I have no idea what you said.

I will speak to one point, however. You mention that these people will all die to prove their Holy Book is the right one. That isn't really true. It is true that Christians (of which I am one, and happen to be a priest) have been willing to use the "my God or die" schtick in the past (though that isn't nearly what being a Christian is about). However, they have no part in the battles in the Middle East that you address, not to mention that this kind of my God or else way of handling foreign policy to Christians has pretty much been extinct for centuries (though much of it has existed in the past without a doubt). Therefore they don't really factor into the discussion at this time.

It is also true that Muslims, more specifically Islamist extremists (though for the most part it seems tough to tell one from the other) are definitely willing to use the "my God is bigger than your God" attitude to incite wars and violence all of the Middle East and Africa. The fact that Israel is almost constantly under attack from Palestinian terrorists is an example of this.

What isn't true is that the Jews have this same "my God or else" attitude. It seems to me that what Israel wants to do most is exist. All of its neighbors seem to have a problem with that. The Jewish faith, historically, isn't a proselytizing faith. THat is why, despite being the frist of the three religions of our discussion, they also have by far the fewest number of followers. Israel was called to be a nation set apart, and throughout history has taken that seriously. They are willing to co-exist with others. But they don't have a habit of even trying to convert people in a friendly manor, let alone by the sword.

History has seen great persecution on the Jews and it is unfair to suggest that they have been part of some argument that the Muslims need to convert to their faith. Israel wants the Muslims to simply let them exist. Just like the Jews wanted to be allowed to live during WWII. When Iran says they want to wipe Israel off the map, why does Israel get blamed for being part of a holy war? They are fighting for the right to exist, not for the dominance of their religion.

kisaac
07-31-2006, 06:00 AM
Clearly, assuming that people who read these forums do read or know the most important events in our ancient or recent human being’s history is unrealistic.

My dear priest I too consider myself to be a Christian who has a deep relationship of faith with our common God... But, I never use the “Holy Bible” or any other 2000 years old plus, resources to judge recent history events or modern people’s war actions. Sure we can take the wisdom out of the Holy Bible and practice it to be “Jesus like” among others, spread peace and harmony… but this is all what modern worlds want us to do, away from the government actions and their deep secrets goals of territorial expansion and controlling power.

Sure you are aware that history has proven to us –it is very bad mixture whenever you add religion and politics together – For Christians, ancient history proves to us that the old church had a terrible history when it took over governing humans; it did involve humans in long years of territorial expansion wars... - Islam did the same all over this earth and still is, and After WWII Zionism along with the help from modern International community, and a few Arab leaders the Jews’ promise land of Israel rose to life. And now is the US right hand striking power. Personally, I do not opposed granting the Jews their promise land – what I deeply disagree with is the way it all took place - kicking unarmed Arabs (Muslims and Christians) out of their ancestors houses, shops and lands in order to take it over and killing them with cold blood while this modern civilization is watching and supporting. This is not how I had imagined this promise peaceful land to be build on.

I am not against anyone – Please, read all sort of history books not what you think will show you what you want to see. All I am seeing from studying events and reading ancient and modern history books is that unarmed people have been forced to pay the price in every single conflict of power or religion. Recently, if you do not follow the US agenda soon you will see in real life this simple peaceful way of communicating “You and your people are going to be enduring major loses for years to come.” and true “no spin” history shows it in black and white.

The US "New Middle East" vision, has been in the cook for a very long time it is not new and it goes like this, the US has been using this Zionism government in the Jewish “Promise Land” to attack Arabs in general not just Muslims, and Christians even Jews for this matter in order to forced them to follow the US goals of controlling the natural recourses of this region and turn around and use them as a pressure factor at the bargaining table with the modern western world and Asia -to be more specific, China and North Korea- in order to re-balance the new world order.

Churchel
07-31-2006, 06:22 AM
Too wordy. I suggest a re-edit.

I think the gist of what you are trying to say is we will be in a conflict until either isreal extends to iraq, or isreal is blown off the map. Your recourse is illegible. Can you sum it up in two sentances, like Problem and solution?

kanyon40
07-31-2006, 11:38 AM
Not sure why you are calling me "your dear priest" and trying to somehow suggest that I even made the bible relevant in my argument. I actually said that I didn't see Christians as part of the Middle East conflict at this time. But when you are wrong to suggest that I am somehow not up on my current events. The problem is that I am not up on my gibberish at the moment, and that is what your initial post was. There are whole paragraphs that don't say anything. There is much wordiness without a point. I simply don't see what the purpose of your post was because the intial post was incoherent.

kanyon40
07-31-2006, 11:41 AM
Not to mention that they way you address Christians in your response to my post shows that you didn't read what I said about them... when I said that Christians (and Muslims) have been guilty of the "My God or Else" mindset.

As for telling me to read history books and not just the ones I want... is there some reading list pre approved by you that I must read in order to engage in a conversation? Should I just send a post to you with all the books I have read to see if I am allowed to continue to talk?

kisaac
07-31-2006, 01:58 PM
Arab Christian and Jews who currently have been living in the Middle East consider this region to be their homeland - and it is – these people do realize the importance of being an active members or they will be consider traitors and foreigners and will be discriminate against even more and have less to no rights whatsoever.

I do not know you – all I know is this I was raised at Christian schools and there I was taught to respect every spiritual leader, every opinion and be Open minded during discussions. This is good isn’t it?

I do not have list for you to read – I am looking for and want to know the real truth and in doing so I found out through out my search that I must dig deep into history books more than just reading newspapers, internet -flamers'- posts and such. By all means, I do not or I can not assume that you do not do so. In any case - Thank You for all your kind and productive criticism! Simply, (you don't even know me or know my real name) and maybe, just maybe you have read something for me somewhere out in the circle of media. I promise one day I will be able to get to the level of others and not write any gibberish, Peace to you.

kisaac
07-31-2006, 02:17 PM
Too wordy.**I suggest a re-edit.

I think the gist of what you are trying to say is we will be in a conflict until either isreal extends to iraq, or isreal is blown off the map.**Your recourse is illegible.**Can you sum it up in two sentances, like Problem and solution?


Thank You so much - I will.

Mayberry
08-03-2006, 06:35 PM
Clearly, assuming that people who read these forums do read or know the most important events in our ancient or recent human being’s history is unrealistic. REEEEEALLLY. Get off your high horse. Snooty buggers like you really irk me. Get over yourself.