*Arab Man Shoots 6 Jews, 1 Dead*

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But the Liberal Media hasn't said it yet, but an Arab shot and killed one Jewish Lady and injured 5 others.
2. It hasn't been released yet, but my moneys on it being an Arab.
3. Here's the link.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/28/seattle.shooting/
4. More fuel for my fire on Islam.
5. My condolences to the Lady and the Family members.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I was correct as always.
2. The shooter is a Arab man, of course the common denominator is he's a Muslim.
3. Found it on the BBC website.
4. More virtues of Islam revealed, death welcomes them.
5. Here's the link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5226390.stm

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. Well seeing I was correct, I have to say.
2. How do we punish this Arab?
3. I say we have a lottery from the husbands of these Jewish women.
4. The winner gets to shoot all the family members of this Arab Muslim.
5. And he gets to shoot this Arab in the head, right between the eyes.
6. This is justice.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[dsanthony]

Sorry bout that,

1. Well seeing I was correct, I have to say.
2. How do we punish this Arab?
3. I say we have a lottery from the husbands of these Jewish women.
4. The winner gets to shoot all the family members of this Arab Muslim.
5. And he gets to shoot this Arab in the head, right between the eyes.
6. This is justice.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas


The next tragedy is that he will be charged with a "hate crime" rather than terrorism... Dems get no political mileage out of a terrorism conviciton.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But this wasn't a hate crime, or if it was so was 911 a hate crime.
2. This Arab is a terrorist.
3. He's acting out terrorist acts.
4. Because he's mad like a Muslim about the Jews in Israel.
5. These acts of terrorism are sugar coated by the Liberal Medias.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But on second thought before we allow this terrorist to take a bullet, lets send him to Club Gitmo for 5 years.
2. Then bring him back and shoot him in the head.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

Chess, you realize that pakistani's aren't arab, right? Many older ones were even born in India.

Also, why do you hate christian and jewish arabs so much?

[BoogyMan]

Alonzo, regardless of the indo-european origins of the current masses of pakistanis I think you will find that Chess means radical islamists.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But if you surcome to Islam, you have died within.
2. Practicing Islam of the Arabs, in any form, brings death to the soul.
3. I compare them all to the same measuring stick.
4. Just because one happens to look a little different on the surface, does not make that person any different inside, still dead.
5. This is a fact, and can not be disputed.
6. Where ever they learn of this Arab religion, it kills the soul first then puts little value on the body, which the willing percipitant easily sacrifices.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

Alonzo, regardless of the indo-european origins of the current masses of pakistanis I think you will find that Chess means radical islamists.


He means muslims period. Not radical muslims, simply muslims.

But my whole point is that he does not even understand the words he's using.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I'd just like to ask, why hasn't Islamic culture produced any philosophical, political, scientific, medical or technological advances the world has used to advance in 1,000 years?

I think there's a large accurate truth that Islam kills the individual spirit, sense of idealism and betterment of man.

[CheesyMuslim]

But my whole point is that he does not even understand the words he's using.-Zo


Sorry bout that,

1. Which Words?
2. Seems you are having less defense for Islam these days Zo.
3. I hate to point this out, but now you want to attack the messenger?
4. You bring it on buddy.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

1. Which Words?

Well, Arab is a good start.

2. Seems you are having less defense for Islam these days Zo.


Well, there are two reaons I ignore the bulk of your posts, and have stopped arguing about your opinion itself. One I explained earlier using the example of the Nation of Islam discussion. The second is essentially your bigotry and racism. After the initial few times, I wouldn't debate with a skinhead on why blacks or jews are equal, it's simply not worth my time and won't go anywhere. I adopted that same attitude with PAD a while ago. Most of the time I just ignore it or, at most, comment on a purely factual thing (ie. pakistani's aren't arab). I'm not saying I never comment on more, it's just rare.

I've had plenty of experiences with muslims, some of which came from Iraq, Iran etc. I've been friends with them, I've had muslim professors. I've known women who wear hijabs, and I even talked to a few who wear burka's (there was a few of them at my old university, one of which was in one of my classes). I've been involved with largely muslim groups as well (ie. sphr, or solidarity for palestinian human rights). I've known both conservative and liberal muslims. Neither my experiences, or international reports, back up your opinion. Anything more than a cursory glance reveals many differences between muslim individuals. Hell, you can watch Muslim fashion models in skimpy clothes on catwalks in Islamabad.

I'd just like to ask, why hasn't Islamic culture produced any philosophical, political, scientific, medical or technological advances the world has used to advance in 1,000 years?

Well, you should thank Islam everytime you go to a hospital. Hospitals in the christian world were places for the poor, the sick were sometimes even refused assistance. Hospitals, as we know it, came from the Islamic world. Previously, the closest thing to a hospital was an extension of a Church, were all they were going to get was prayers and offerings from priests and holymen. Hospitals were not common in europe until well into the renaissance, something which would not have been possible without the Islamic world. Even at the heights of rome and greece, there were few exceptions to that (such as Hippocrates). Islam changed all that. Another example of a modern institution with islamic roots would be western universities, which owe themselves to islamic madrassa's. A style very different from the likes seen in Rome and Greece.

Colonialism wrecked havoc on the muslim world, just as it did in South America and Africa. And, just as with those societies, the effects of that still linger. The advancement of culture, worldwide, came to a halt outside europe. Many technologically advanced cultures (for the time) collapsed, such as India (which was about as industrialized as you could be at the time). Extremism still lingers throughout. Exceptions exist when A. the religion was brought by the conquerors (South America) and B. when no strong religious tradition exists (China and some parts of Asia). But that doesn't mean the countries function normally afterward. When a strong religious tradition is there, cultures always turn to it when under attack.

I think there's a large accurate truth that Islam kills the individual spirit, sense of idealism and betterment of man.

You must hate confucianism.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But your personal experience of Muslims you've met means zilch to what we hear in the news.
2. There is over whelming support for my views.
3. And zero support for your views.
4. All I got to do is surf a few web sites to reload my flame thrower every day.
5. You can only bring some of your so called personal experiences.
6. Which won't stand up in a court of law.
7. Here-say.
8. Look in Seattle?
9. Just innocent women, hanging out at a club, they get shot by a raving Muslim.
10. This is an everyday occurrence.
11. Oh and how close were these Arabs to you?
12 Did any of them ever cross your threshold?


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Last I checked Confucians weren't calling for the elimination of a religion or country.

Oh, your country? Yeah, that's one of the countries Muslims would love to destroy and assimilate.

[Alonzo]

Chess, yes they were in my house. But I find it interesting that you find personal experience with a group of people to mean nothing. I also see many muslims denouncing terrorism. It's not hard to find, the only thing is it never makes the front page.

8. Look in Seattle?
9. Just innocent women, hanging out at a club, they get shot by a raving Muslim.
10. This is an everyday occurrence.

In toronto Muslims made up about 8% of the population. On my university it was closer to 15%. If your assertions are true, then why is toronto one of the safest cities in north america?

[lily]

dsanthony



The next tragedy is that he will be charged with a "hate crime" rather than terrorism... Dems get no political mileage out of a terrorism conviciton.
The news doesn't seem to be covering this......dsanthony.........do you have a source that says some terrorist group is behind this man, or that he bellongs to some sort of terrorist group? If not.....sorry but it is a hate crime.

[Alonzo]

Lily, it's called terrorism because he was a muslim.

[Alonzo]

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4231/seattleshootingcp10480241fk7.jpg

A muslim man standing outside the Jewish community center

The Muslim community of the Greater Seattle area and the Council on American-Islamic Relations both issued statements condemning Friday`s attack by suspect Naveed Afzal Haq. They called it senseless and said they hope the Mideast conflict does not overflow into U.S. neighborhoods again.

'The American Muslim and Jewish communities must do whatever is within their power to prevent the current conflict in the Middle East from being transplanted to this country,' the CAIR statement said.


http://news.monstersandcritics.com/northamerica/article_1185336.php/Religious_groups_react_to_Seattle_shooting

The killer also had psychological problems:

The suspect in a fatal shooting rampage at a Jewish charity deeply disappointed his parents because he had dropped out of dentistry school, and had been getting psychiatric help for 10 years, a family friend and his lawyer said.

But he dropped out after just a few years, frustrating his accomplished parents and straining their relationship...

Then in March, Haq was arrested at a Benton County stopping mall. Newspaper reports said that he climbed onto a raised coin fountain and exposed himself to young women.

"He‘s had real difficulty," he said, adding that he thought Haq was single and unemployed.


http://www.localnewswatch.com/benton/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=206799

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Doesn't Muslim and psychological problems go hand in hand?

Why is it the RCMP was arresting Muslims planning terrorism in Canada? Was their field trip planning wrongly interpreted?

[Churchel]

I'd just like to ask, why hasn't Islamic culture produced any philosophical, political, scientific, medical or technological advances the world has used to advance in 1,000 years?


How about we start with the arabic numeral system that our favorite person uses to post.Â*

[dsanthony]

Chess, yes they were in my house. But I find it interesting that you find personal experience with a group of people to mean nothing. I also see many muslims denouncing terrorism. It's not hard to find, the only thing is it never makes the front page.

8. Look in Seattle?
9. Just innocent women, hanging out at a club, they get shot by a raving Muslim.
10. This is an everyday occurrence.

In toronto Muslims made up about 8% of the population. On my university it was closer to 15%. If your assertions are true, then why is toronto one of the safest cities in north america?


Toronto, like Seattle and Portland, is relatively safe (compared to NYC, Atlanta, DC, LA, etc.) because they have a much smaller black population.

[dsanthony]

dsanthony



The next tragedy is that he will be charged with a "hate crime" rather than terrorism...Â*Â*Dems get no political mileage out of a terrorism conviciton.
The news doesn't seem to be covering this......dsanthony.........do you have a source that says some terrorist group is behind this man, or that he bellongs to some sort of terrorist group? If not.....sorry but it is a hate crime.


There is no requirement that a terrorist belong to a group. Are the libs now going to parse this war further? Soon Hezb and Hamas will no longer be considered terrorists either. Your ability to twist language to suit your purposes is frightening.

The terrorist put a gun to an 11 year old girl's head, shouted "I'm a Muslim American and I'm angry at Israel" then started shooting people. It' was a politically motivated terrorist act, designed to show unity with Hamas/Hezb and Islamic terrorists in general.

[Alonzo]

Toronto, like Seattle and Portland, is relatively safe (compared to NYC, Atlanta, DC, LA, etc.) because they have a much smaller black population.

So, basically, whenever there's too many blacks then your city has a problem?


Doesn't Muslim and psychological problems go hand in hand?

Why is it the RCMP was arresting Muslims planning terrorism in Canada?Â*Â*Was their field trip planning wrongly interpreted?


In 2001 there were just under 600,000 muslims in canada (about 2 percent of the population), with 350,000 in ontario.

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census01/products/standard/prprofile/prprofile.cfm?G=35

Considering there were less than 200,000 canadian muslims in 1991, that number is probably closer to 800,000 now (the 2006 census is being worked on now).

Out of the now low figure of 600k, 17 were arrested. That's .000028 percent of the muslim population.

It's funny PAD, I still remember not that long ago you were claiming republicans don't have a problem with racism, yet your attacks on arabs and muslims (the former being racism, latter being bigotry) hurt your argument.

[dsanthony]

Toronto, like Seattle and Portland, is relatively safe (compared to NYC, Atlanta, DC, LA, etc.) because they have a much smaller black population.

So, basically, whenever there's too many blacks then your city has a problem?

[

I know your dogma will not allow you to address the issue, but I'll respond anyway.

Actually, yes. If you look at the cities with the highest crime rates, they are also the cities with the highest percentage of blacks. If you look at the cities with the lowest crime rates, they are also the cities with the lowest percentage of blacks.

Black culture is dysfunctional and destructive. Blacks make up 13% of the US population, yet they commit 60% of the felony murders in the US (according to FBI stats). There are more black men in prison than in graduate school. Almost 70% of black are born to unwed mothers. The leading cause of death in black men 18-40 is murder.

These stats are the result of Dem pandering to blacks for the past 40 years. You've removed any incentive or requirement to assimilate into (what you call) white culture. You give them the easy out of "racism" to explain lower academic acheivement, high crime, etc.

You're enabling a sick, dysfunctional culture to keep their votes captive. Repubs are offering blacks a hand, not a handout. You've got them standing in line for their next fix.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

You need to recheck your math.

It's 0.028%.

Nice try though.

I fail to see how pointing out Muslims shoot Jews in community centers, are arrested en masse in Canada plotting terrorism, hurl rockets into Israeli cities, wantonly murder citizens of Shia or Sunni persuasion in sectarian violence is racist.

Perhaps you'd like to tell us why reporting the news is racist? Oh, or bigoted.

[Alonzo]

It would be easy to dismiss 31-year old Naveed Afzal Haq (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/us/30seattle.html?hp&ex=1154232000&en=681fa11e55f75fec&ei=5094&partner=homepage), the perpetrator of the shootings at the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle that left one dead and six injured, as an emotionally troubled man suffering from a decade of mental illness (true (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003162635_haq30.html)), a drifter who, despite having an engineering degree, couldn't hold a job (which he was (http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds/ap/2006/07/31/ap2914420.html)), a sexual deviant (he is charged with exposing himself to young women at a Washington mall), a loner who had no friends or female companionship a loner who had no friends or female companionship (also true (http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=87986)), and a victim of bipolar disorder (ditto (http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_news.asp?section=World_News&subsection=Americas&month=July2006&file=World_News200607314041.xml)).Â*Â*It would even be easy to remove the connection with Muslims entirely, given that Haq was baptized a Christian last year. But none of this would remove the reality that a man declaring himself to be upset with Israel and US troops in Iraq would take the law into his own hands and inflict violence on the innocent - with all the ramifications that entails for all other Muslim Americans (witness the predictable (http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=4694_0_1_0_M) indictment of all Muslims by the right-wing press (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/184108.php)). Thankfully, the local Muslim community has fallen back on none of this. Instead, they voiced unequivocal condemnation of the act and rushed to the side of the local Jewish community. The shooting was "all the more reason that we work together for peace and justice," said Farida Hakim, who has been actively involved in interfaith work with a Temple B'nai Torah, the synagogue of shooting victim Pamela Waechter. (The synagogue reported receiving several calls of concern from Muslim friends.) Others in the Muslim community minced no words in referring to the gunman. "This was just definitely a real hate crime," said local Arab-American leader Rita Zawaideh. "Their pain is our pain; their suffering is our suffering," said Seattle Times (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/faithvalues/2003162654_religion30m.html) "Faith & Values" columnist Aziz Junejo, who noted that local Muslim leaders were visiting shooting victims in the hospital. The shooting comes at a time of heightened tensions overseas (the story bumped off the front pages the killing (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-5984130,00.html) of 56 civilians, half of them children, by Israeli shelling) as well as locally, where rallies on either side of the violence compete for attention (although a peace rally in support of Lebanon was postponed in the shooting aftermath.) It also highlights the need for Muslim communities to create a social services infrastructure to help young Muslims deal with emotional and personal issues in a professional manner - before they become everyone's problems.

http://www.altmuslim.com/perm.php?id=1750_0_24_0_M

David Serkin-Poole, the synagogue's cantor, said the temple has received many calls of sympathy and concern from Muslim friends....

After Friday's shootings, several mosques and synagogues in the area increased security, keeping their doors locked more hours of the day, having a police patrol car present or hiring security guards.

Temple B'nai Torah member Lynda Matthias was touched that the Muslim women came despite the increased security.

The women "came here even though they didn't know what their reception would be," Matthias said. "Peace and building community was so important to them."...

Avi Ulstein, a Temple B'nai Torah member, thinks the shooting was the work of an individual with a lot of problems who used the situation in the Middle East "as an excuse to act out."

He said he thinks many people, including the gunman, don't realize the diversity of views in the Jewish community.

"People like [the gunman] paint all Jews with a broad brush," Ulstein said. "It's tough for Jewish people here to see what's going on in Lebanon, the civilian casualties. At the same time, Israel has a right to defend itself. But it's not like we're sitting here going: 'Go get 'em.' It's very difficult."...

Saturday evening, about 20 leaders from mosques around Puget Sound, as well as representatives of the Pakistan-American community, gathered at Idriss Mosque at Northgate to offer condolences to the Jewish community....

And this afternoon, the American Jewish Congress has scheduled a course for Jewish and Christian clergy titled Understanding the Quran, taught by members of Seattle's Muslim community.

At Temple De Hirsch Sinai in Seattle, where Rabbi Daniel Weiner talked to his congregation about the importance of resilience and living life as they always had, members talked of the importance of continuing interfaith dialogues.

"Voices of moderation and reason among Jews and among Muslims can come together and drown out the voices of these few extremists," he said.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/faithvalues/2003162654_religion30m.html

"We have a very good relationship with all the interfaith organizations in the Tri-Cities," said Ullah. "We do not approve of any such terrorist acts against other religions and we condemn it with the fullest of our faith." ......

Greene said most of the congregation had friends and family in Seattle and Muslim friends in the Tri-Cities.

"We all have friends who are every race and creed," she said. "I can't understand this -- I really can't."

Sara Barron, of Richland, said her daughter's best friend in elementary school was a Muslim girl.

"We know the Muslims here and they are fine people," she said. "They came to her bas mitzvah and we went to their son's wedding."

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/tch/local/story/8016256p-7909196c.html

It appears that jewish leaders in the area aren't too thrilled with the likes of chess, PAD, etc.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Don't forget Mordechai Chaim Rumkowski, he was also a Jew.

[Alonzo]

You need to recheck your math.

It's 0.028%.

Nice try though.

600,000 X .028 is 16,800. 600,000 X .000028 is 16.8.

I fail to see how pointing out Muslims shoot Jews in community centers, are arrested en masse in Canada plotting terrorism, hurl rockets into Israeli cities, wantonly murder citizens of Shia or Sunni persuasion in sectarian violence is racist.

Perhaps you'd like to tell us why reporting the news is racist?Â*Â*Oh, or bigoted.


You are not simply pointing out incidents, you are attacking muslims as a whole. You have even condemned people for not agreeing that muslim lives are worthless.

[Alonzo]

Don't forget Mordechai Chaim Rumkowski, he was also a Jew.


So you are comparing jews who don't hate muslims to a jewish nazi collaborator?

[PittsburghAfterDark]

You're obviously unfamiliar with the concept of Jewish guilt.

No, I'm comparing Jews who don't realize who their enemy is to a Jewish collaborator.

[Alonzo]

So, you think jews should view all muslims as their enemy? If they don't then there's something wrong with their viewpoint?

[Labrocca]

I realize that many Muslims are fine oustanding people...however I think the difference is that those raised in these radical countries such as Pakistan, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq...and pretty much anywhere in the middle east lean toward being radical. I think Europe risks having these same problems in 5-20 years. It's already seeping into their mosques (the hate speech). If it's not countered and quickly there will be problems.

The bullshit in Seattle I feel is a very isolated incident. What really annoys me is that more Imman (spelling?) don't come out and denounce these people.

[Alonzo]

There are always plenty of denouncements when such incidents happen. One of four things usually happens though. Sometimes they get on the back page, sometimes they get a quick mention in the article, sometimes they are ignored, and sometimes they are relegated to muslim websites where the intended recipients will never read them. There's plenty out there and they're pretty easy to find, if you look for it. The problem is a gathering of 100 denouncing terrorism doesn't get the publicity of one endorsing it.

[lily]

dsanthony

There is no requirement that a terrorist belong to a group.Â*Â*Are the libs now going to parse this war further?Â*Â*Soon Hezb and Hamas will no longer be considered terrorists either.Â*Â*Your ability to twist language to suit your purposes is frightening.

The terrorist put a gun to an 11 year old girl's head, shouted "I'm a Muslim American and I'm angry at Israel" then started shooting people.Â*Â*It' was a politically motivated terrorist act, designed to show unity with Hamas/Hezb and Islamic terrorists in general.
I take it then, that my question to you, to show proof that this man belonged to a terrorist group, or that he was backed by a terrorist group, is something you can't come up with.......as in proof?

Your statement of him saying "I'm a Muslim American and I'm angry at Israel". is not different than three idjits taking Sheppard out to a deserted part of town, tying him to a fence and beating him to death. Sadly the law doesn't agree with you.

Now I realize that you dislike both Muslims, gay men and by your other posts, black........but I must warn you, that if you go out and kill them, just because of who they are, you will be charged with a hate crime.....not terrorism.

[lily]

dsanthony



Actually, yes. If you look at the cities with the highest crime rates, they are also the cities with the highest percentage of blacks. If you look at the cities with the lowest crime rates, they are also the cities with the lowest percentage of blacks.
If you look at the cities with the highest crime rates, they are also the cities with the highest percentage of unemployed. If you look at the cities with the lowest crime rates, they are also the cities with the highest percentage of employed.

Almost 70% of black are born to unwed mothers.

Then I take it you are pro-choice........or are you in favor of abortions, only for blacks? Also, curious, would that be forced abortion?

[lily]

alonzomourning23



You are not simply pointing out incidents, you are attacking muslims as a whole. You have even condemned people for not agreeing that muslim lives are worthless.
You know and that is the scary part..........and they wonder why we are loosing the war on terrorism. They don't even know who the enemy is.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. But I tell you plainly.
2. The GD Arabs will need their own personal Holocaust to get off the Jews back.
3. When they continue to launch sneak attacks on humanity.
4. There will be a breaking point for all humanity.
5. And then you Arabs better run and hide in the caves.
6. Cause all humanity will search you out, and snuff you out.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[Alonzo]

Ya know, I think chess is the first person I've ever met (excluding neo-nazi's) who could justifiably be called the equivalent of a nazi.

[CheesyMuslim]

Sorry bout that,

1. No I'm not.
2. I am just stating the reality we live in.
3. I wished I were wrong.
4. But I am never wrong.

Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

[crimzonsol]

That Arab deserves a medal.

What do you know, an Anti-Semite who can read Hebrew.