T. Boone Pickens - Richard Mellon Scaife - Soros - ??

[Shintao]

These seem to be the high rollers behind the scenes, so lets talk about them. I kinda know Soros backs world government, Scaife funded the swift-boat people, and I don't know who Pickens is - but hopefully we will find out who there are, and why they do the things they do. Anymore rich guys we should discuss, please throw them in. I will be listening attentively. :jammin:

Soros
George Soros (pronounced /'??ro??/) (born August 12, 1930, in Budapest, Hungary, as György Schwartz) is an American financial speculator, stock investor, philanthropist, and political activist.[2] He has also promoted democracy in Eastern Europe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros



T. Boone Pickens
Pickens and friend and fellow financier Harold Clark Simmons are financial supporters of President George W. Bush, having contributed heavily to both his Texas and national political campaigns. In 2004, Pickens contributed generously to 527 conservative groups, including a $3 million contribution for the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth attacking Bush's rival, John Kerry, and $2.5 million to the Progress for America advocacy group. Pickens made a $250,000 contribution for Bush's second inaugural celebration. Pickens has offered $1 Million to anyone who can prove any of the Swiftboat charges untrue. Kerry claimed he accepted the challenge and said he will disprove charges November 17, 2007.[2] As of three weeks later none of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth claims have been disproven. Disproval may involve release of Kerry's military records. Kerry had refused to do this during the 2004 campaign despite promises to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Boone_Pickens

Now I know who Pickens is. He offered a million dollars to anyone who could dispute the swiftboat claims, and then when Kerry challenged him, Pickens got all ga ga and started adding a bunch of hoops claimist would have to jump through.


Richard Mellon Scaife
Scaife gained notoriety for making an end-run around weak campaign finance laws to donate US$ $990,000 to the 1972 re-election campaign of President Richard Nixon.

Scaife was the major backer of The American Spectator, whose Arkansas Project set out to find facts about Clinton and in which Paula Jones' accusations of sexual harassment against Clinton were first widely publicized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mellon_Scaife

[ECW]

Pickens has offered $1 Million to anyone who can prove any of the Swiftboat charges untrue. Kerry claimed he accepted the challenge and said he will disprove charges November 17, 2007.[2] As of three weeks later none of the Swiftboat Veterans for Truth claims have been disproven.

Pickens backed out of paying the million when Kerry accepted the offer and, all of a sudden, Pickens put numerous stipulations to the bet. I presume Kerry could disprove the claims but wasn't going to get into a pissing contest with a welcher. It's a standoff right now.

Scaife is just a wealthy scumbag who hated Bill Clinton and Clinton's populist message.

Soros is just a Liberal troublemaker.

[AlanC]

ECW,

Where did you see that Pickens had upted the anti on his offer?

But that aside, the Swift Boat Veterns for truth basically have said that Kerry was a cowardly, calculating, phony traitor to his brothers in arms who schemed his way into undserved decorations and got his tour shortened by 6 months or so.

And he doesn't feel like making his proof public just because Pickens might not pay off? I find that hard to believe. In fact, I find it hard to beleive he would not have produced tha proof when it could have done him some good......

I'm still waiting the hear why it took 2 years longer for him to get his honorable discharge than anyone else I know of. But I'm not holding my breath on that one either.

[ECW]

Pickens shot off his mouth and made the offer.

Kerry accepted.

Then Pickens reneged and wanted more stuff from Kerry in exchange for the proof. He refused to pay off on the original bet but changed it when confronted.

That makes Pickens a welcher.

I don't know about you, but I never play with anyone I know to be fundamentally dishonest and who's word isn't worth anything. T. Boone Pickens is just such a man. I don't blame Kerry for calling him out and then refusing to go along with all the changed rules.

I don't know why Kerry didn't bash Pickens in the teeth with this in 2004 but I wish he had. Anything is better than the dog and pony show we got going on now.

[Shintao]

ECW,

Where did you see that Pickens had upted the anti on his offer?

When mouth Pickens announced the reward in front of a crowd, he put no stipulations on the reward. When Kerry took up the challenge, then Pickens added all the stipulations, or upped the anti on his challenge. That is like winning a race, and then finding out you lost because they changed their minds, and you needed to be wearing pink shoe laces.


But that aside, the Swift Boat Veterns for truth basically have said that Kerry was a cowardly, calculating, phony traitor to his brothers in arms who schemed his way into undserved decorations and got his tour shortened by 6 months or so.

Yeah, the Swift Boat Traitors to all veterans were liars, and only one of that group served with Kerry. The real cowards are the Swift Boat bilge pump crew who were paid handsomly to lie about a veteran to tarnish his honor, and were not even there. But what is trashing another veteran to the rightwinged vultures, they do it all the time. They attacked disabled veterans McCain, they attacked disabled McClelland, etc. They are the scum of the earth.

And he doesn't feel like making his proof public just because Pickens might not pay off? I find that hard to believe. In fact, I find it hard to beleive he would not have produced tha proof when it could have done him some good......

Is that what Kerry said?? I wouldn't doubt it, when you are dealing with a greedy liar like Pickens, who knows. He will lie right to the public's face and then change the lie when challenged. Sick pervert.

I'm still waiting the hear why it took 2 years longer for him to get his honorable discharge than anyone else I know of. But I'm not holding my breath on that one either.


You must not know many vets huh? Need gov abuse & horror stories?? Go here..........http://www.hadit.com/forums/index.php?


I know how confusing it can be for people who don't understand the way the VA works, or the difference between AWOL and Vietnam War Deserter Bush.

[AlanC]

Yeah, the Swift Boat Traitors to all veterans were liars, and only one of that group served with Kerry. The real cowards are the Swift Boat bilge pump crew who were paid handsomly to lie about a veteran to tarnish his honor, and were not even there. But what is trashing another veteran to the rightwinged vultures, they do it all the time. They attacked disabled veterans McCain, they attacked disabled McClelland, etc. They are the scum of the earth.

Now it seems to me that trying to prove one of them a liar is what the bet was all about. Since you seem to know this, maybe you should go and collect the million bucks.

And how were any of them traitors to ALL veterans? I think the only one they criticized was Kerry. Now Kerry’s testimony to Congress might be seen in a different light that would make him a traitor to all veterans, but I don’t see the SBVT group as that.

And just how much were any of them paid? I never saw an article on that one. Do you have some substantiation that any of them received money personally and how much?

McCain and McClelland are different subjects for another thread.

You must not know many vets huh? Need gov abuse & horror stories?? Go here..........http://www.hadit.com/forums/index.php?

Thanks but I don’t need a website about veteran experiences.

I entered the service in April, 1966, and was released from active duty in March, 1968. My honorable discharge arrived in the mail on April 10, 1972. That’s 6 years and 6 days from the day I entered. Those that I served with and those than I knew who had also served had similar experiences.

Thus I am still curious as to why it took Kerry over two years beyond his commitment to receive his discharge.