"Eli, Eli, lima sabachthani?"

[Shintao]

I pretty much take the historical Bible literally, after all, that is what the author wrote in earnest, and it needs no interpretation.

It is clear to me that Jesus, for whatever idol he was, had no God in his last hour, thus perhaps he was full of BS? Why did his god, if real, abandon him? Here is guy hanging on cross in pain and agony (if he was hanging at all), and yelling for his God, but no god is working miracles for him. In retrospect, this abandoment was the final spear that must have hurt the worse. Thoughts?

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
About three o'clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"

King James Bible
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

American Standard Version
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Bible in Basic English
And about the ninth hour Jesus gave a loud cry, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why are you turned away from me?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Darby Bible Translation
but about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

English Revised Version
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Tyndale New Testament
And about the ninth hour Iesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli Eli lama sabathani. That is to say, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Weymouth New Testament
but about three o'clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

Webster's Bible Translation
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

World English Bible
About the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lima sabachthani?" That is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Young's Literal Translation
and about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a great voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'

[HankSaint]

I pretty much take the historical Bible literally, after all, that is what the author wrote in earnest, and it needs no interpretation.

You seem to overdue your point, but your question is rhetorical. Not sure if you really want a answer or you're just documenting a statement. No one should have to really answer that question for you since you already stated that you take it as literal history. By reading it carefully, especially the New Testament it would be evident to you that the scripture pretty much answers the question.

[Newscaster]

There are "biblical" writings representing other religions around the world, some earlier than christianity and others that came later and if you take the time to read them and I admit that woiuld be a long tedious chore, you will find that stories from the books we call "The Bible" can also be found in other books. The stories are the same but the names of the characters are different. The best is the story of the birth of Alexander The Great which is complete with three wise men, a manger type room, a Star in the east and all the rest. Oh yes, and also Immaculate Conception. Seems to me that the scribes working for Constantine added those stories in a couple of Gospels and not in others when they were putting NT writings into a single volume. Today, there are many Roman Catholic, Greek Orthodox, protestant and other ministers who have stopped taking the bible literally and instead rely on its for human guidance but not as a history text. But as we all know, we are all free to believe whatever we wish.

[BillyPilgrim]

"I pretty much take the historical Bible literally, after all, that is what the author wrote in earnest, and it needs no interpretation."

I assume you include the New Testament. Even if you swallow the idea that it was written by the hand of the apostles, there clearly wasn't one author. I doubt we want to pick and choose the contradictions.

[ViolaLee]

"I pretty much take the historical Bible literally, after all, that is what the author wrote in earnest, and it needs no interpretation."

I assume you include the New Testament. Even if you swallow the idea that it was written by the hand of the apostles, there clearly wasn't one author. I doubt we want to pick and choose the contradictions.
I thought the story is that God wrote the Bible.

[jafar00]

The Islamic view of this story is that it was not in fact the Prophet Jesus (Upon him peace) up on that cross, but his likeness. He had already ascended.
Also you should note that not Prophet dedicated to God would ever lose faith in such a way as to cry out in protest as described by the bible passage.

And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.
But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise. (Qur'aan 4:157-158)

[HankSaint]

I thought the story is that God wrote the Bible.

With due respect, I question where you came by that statement. No where in the scriptures or in historical studies does it show or is it claimed God wrote the Bible.
A better word would be inspired or directed. If God was to show that much control we would have an in inerrant Bible, which in fact is not true. We do have the best of what is left of many translations, errors, and missing scripture to give us enough to guide and direct us in our personal salvation.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16

Maybe you show me otherwise.

[BillyPilgrim]

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16"

Even when it contradicts itself?

[Wndrtch]

I pretty much take the historical Bible literally, after all, that is what the author wrote in earnest, and it needs no interpretation.

It is clear to me that Jesus, for whatever idol he was, had no God in his last hour, thus perhaps he was full of BS? Why did his god, if real, abandon him? Here is guy hanging on cross in pain and agony (if he was hanging at all), and yelling for his God, but no god is working miracles for him. In retrospect, this abandoment was the final spear that must have hurt the worse. Thoughts?

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
About three o'clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?"

King James Bible
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

American Standard Version
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Bible in Basic English
And about the ninth hour Jesus gave a loud cry, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why are you turned away from me?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli, Eli, lamma sabacthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Darby Bible Translation
but about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

English Revised Version
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Tyndale New Testament
And about the ninth hour Iesus cried with a loud voice, saying: Eli Eli lama sabathani. That is to say, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Weymouth New Testament
but about three o'clock Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken me?"

Webster's Bible Translation
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

World English Bible
About the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lima sabachthani?" That is, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

Young's Literal Translation
and about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a great voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, my God, why didst Thou forsake me?'


Jesus had to freely offer himself up as a mortal to be sacrificed for the sins of other mortals ("There is no greater gift, than to give your life for a friend"). God had to withdraw, to make sure that Jesus's intentions were honest and pure, so his sacrifice would be acceptible. Jesus had to do it out of true-love for Humanity, and not because he knew of the afterlife.

[BillyPilgrim]

Uh, I'm no Christian but it would seem you would know you're bible better.
1 Peter 1:20:
"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,..."

[HankSaint]

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 2 Timothy 3:16"

Even when it contradicts itself?


Short and to the point Billy. :clapper: Not sure you read my whole post, but I did mention that the Bible is not inerrant. So what is your point? If you came to debate than offer up something of substance.[hr]
Uh, I'm no Christian but it would seem you would know you're bible better.
1 Peter 1:20:
"Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,..."


Billy ---- that was a good point, and since we have different interpretations among the varied denominations than who is to say that there wasn't a preexistence before we came to this earth, for one, my religion teaches that all those who ever came to live on this earth, lived as spirits before this life.

King James Bible:
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.