American War Criminals Will Stand Trial

[December]

We need to get ALL their names for the upcoming trial of the American war criminals.
Nuremberg trial 2 is around the corner.

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We have photos, videos and all sorts of DOCUMENTS of the US crimes in the Middle East.

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Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva

from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS

Article 1

The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.

Article 2

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

Article 3

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

2. The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for.

An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

The Parties to the conflict should further endeavour to bring into force, by means of special agreements, all or part of the other provisions of the present Convention.

The application of the preceding provisions shall not affect the legal status of the Parties to the conflict.

Article 4

A. Prisoners of war, in the sense of the present Convention, are persons belonging to one of the following categories, who have fallen into the power of the enemy:

1. Members of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict as well as members of militias or volunteer corps forming part of such armed forces.

read more -

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

[Scorpion]

December:

I think that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished. Do you agree?

[December]

December:

I think that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished. Do you agree?


Bourne, before asking a question you need to read the post.
Here's a quote for you, in case you didn't notice it:


Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva

from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950
PART I
GENERAL PROVISIONS

Article 1

The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.

Article 2

In addition to the provisions which shall be implemented in peace time, the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

The Convention shall also apply to all cases of partial or total occupation of the territory of a High Contracting Party, even if the said occupation meets with no armed resistance.

Although one of the Powers in conflict may not be a party to the present Convention, the Powers who are parties thereto shall remain bound by it in their mutual relations. They shall furthermore be bound by the Convention in relation to the said Power, if the latter accepts and applies the provisions thereof.

read more -

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm


War criminals such as Bush, Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and everyone who works for them will be prosecuted.

[Scorpion]

Hello December:

I've read all of your post and again I ask you the following question: Do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished? Yes or no.

I believe that they should be punished. Do you agree?

[Scorpion]

Bourne, you are annoying troll.


December, I agree with you that war criminals should be brought to justice. My question was quite simple and it can be answered with a yes or a no. For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

Please answer the question.[hr]

Bourne, you are annoying troll.


December, I agree with you that war criminals should be brought to justice. My question was quite simple and it can be answered with a yes or a no. For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

Please answer the question.


How about it, December? Answer my very simple question.

[December]

For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

I think you are a cop, Bourne. So is that how people talk in your police department or are you naturally rude?

[Yarp]

Wow, what is up with this thread?? Ok the soldiers that tortured the people in Iraq, are being punished or have been. People aren't perfect dude, but I do not see how it's bush's fault that these young men and women did this. They were not ordered to do so.

[AnnEsthesia]

Technically, the commander in chief is responsible for everything that happens under their command.

[December]

People aren't perfect dude, but I do not see how it's bush's fault that these young men and women did this. They were not ordered to do so.

That's what the Nazis said during the trial.

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/ORDERS.jpg

Hey, PoliticalFever, why did you delete my posts on your forum, and why I cannot log in?

[Scorpion]

For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

I think you are a cop, Bourne. So is that how people talk in your police department or are you naturally rude?


December, you started this thread. I asked you a simple question about the topic of your thread and you have yet to answer that question. Instead you avoid answering my question and call me a troll.

This isn't your private bulletin board. It's an open forum and if you post a topic plan on some debate.

So how about it. Will you answer my question or not?

[Shintao]

December:

I think that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished. Do you agree?



I agree, while I thought Lt. Calley innocent by way of combat related insanity, I agree that military war suspects, starting from the top on down, should be punished by the International courts. IMO, a military guard should have escorted Bush & his adminsitration out of the White House and gave them Constitutional speedy trial fro war crimes. As an example to future presidents. :innocent:

[Scorpion]

C'mon December. Stop hiding behind your Putin posters and answer my question. Or, dare I ask, are you a coward?

[K-D-K-D-K]

To me they are casualties of war and the troops shouldnt be punished. Sometimes you have to take drastic measures on the enemy prisoners to extract information that can be used to our benefit in killing the terrorists and insurgents. I say the more harsher the torture the better.

[Scorpion]

To me they are casualties of war and the troops shouldnt be punished. Sometimes you have to take drastic measures on the enemy prisoners to extract information that can be used to our benefit in killing the terrorists and insurgents. I say the more harsher the torture the better.


The best that I can say about you, sir, is though I find your opinion reprehensible, I respect your right to express it.

[Shintao]

To me they are casualties of war and the troops shouldnt be punished. Sometimes you have to take drastic measures on the enemy prisoners to extract information that can be used to our benefit in killing the terrorists and insurgents. I say the more harsher the torture the better.


I guess if they weren't casualities, you would see that they were alight. :madlaugh:

What would you consider a drastic measure to use on an enemy soldier? Lets say on one who cooperates, and one who refuses to cooperate? Have you ever thought through these drastic measures?

[ECW]

For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

I think you are a cop, Bourne. So is that how people talk in your police department or are you naturally rude?


December, you started this thread. I asked you a simple question about the topic of your thread and you have yet to answer that question. Instead you avoid answering my question and call me a troll.

This isn't your private bulletin board. It's an open forum and if you post a topic plan on some debate.

So how about it. Will you answer my question or not?


It doesn't look like December wants to engage in real debate, Bourne. Pontificating is a characteristic of another poster here at DF who refuses to answer questions posed to him.

Time to put up or shut up, December. Answer the man's question.

[PatrickHenry]

To me they are casualties of war and the troops shouldnt be punished. Sometimes you have to take drastic measures on the enemy prisoners to extract information that can be used to our benefit in killing the terrorists and insurgents. I say the more harsher the torture the better.
I find you amusingly consistently in character...:lmao:

[Pookie]

Anyone who has ever served honorably in the military will say that yes, troops are responsible for crimes against humanity, from the Commander In Chief on down to the new recruit. The Nuremburg Trials all the way to Lt. William Calley and the My Lai debacle to Abu Graib are examples of this.
Just because you tote a gun, drive a tank or hurl grenades in the name of the United States military does not in any way, shape or form give you any special allowance to act in any way against the Geneva Convention and our rules according to the Uniform Code of Military Conduct.
Why do you think Leavenworth exists? Screw up, and help yourself to a bunk there for a few years. If you have to torture people and treat them badly, then you really need to be in some other third world country's military. Anyone who breaks the rules does not deserve to have the letters "U.S." anywhere on them.
Purrs,
Pookie

[K-D-K-D-K]

Anyone who has ever served honorably in the military will say that yes, troops are responsible for crimes against humanity, from the Commander In Chief on down to the new recruit. The Nuremburg Trials all the way to Lt. William Calley and the My Lai debacle to Abu Graib are examples of this.
Just because you tote a gun, drive a tank or hurl grenades in the name of the United States military does not in any way, shape or form give you any special allowance to act in any way against the Geneva Convention and our rules according to the Uniform Code of Military Conduct.
Why do you think Leavenworth exists? Screw up, and help yourself to a bunk there for a few years. If you have to torture people and treat them badly, then you really need to be in some other third world country's military. Anyone who breaks the rules does not deserve to have the letters "U.S." anywhere on them.
Purrs,
Pookie
So how do we extract information from these radicals who dont cooperate and want to kill Americans in the name of Allah?

[Elrathin]

So how do we extract information from these radicals who dont cooperate and want to kill Americans in the name of Allah?


By using interrogation means that have been accepted by the Geneva Convention which have worked in the past.

[Truth_and_Power]

Technically, the commander in chief is responsible for everything that happens under their command.


Oh no, this is the era of see-no-evil politics where plausible deniability has replaced 'the buck stops here'. How long before we have to start using racketeering laws to prosecute our own executives?[hr]
Bourne, you are annoying troll.


December, I think you and Clay were seperated at birth.

[Scorpion]

For a third time I ask you, do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?

I think you are a cop, Bourne. So is that how people talk in your police department or are you naturally rude?


December, you started this thread. I asked you a simple question about the topic of your thread and you have yet to answer that question. Instead you avoid answering my question and call me a troll.

This isn't your private bulletin board. It's an open forum and if you post a topic plan on some debate.

So how about it. Will you answer my question or not?


It doesn't look like December wants to engage in real debate, Bourne. Pontificating is a characteristic of another poster here at DF who refuses to answer questions posed to him.

Time to put up or shut up, December. Answer the man's question.


ECW:

He won't answer my question for the simple reason that by agreeing that crimes committed against humanity by the military should result in punishment, he's also agreeing that the Nazis' deserved the punishment handed out at Nurenberg and his buddy Putin has used his military illegally to viciously repress civil dissent in Chechnya.

Bottom line for me is that December's already low level of credibility just took another major dump.

[Northpaw77]

War criminals such as Bush, Chaney, Donald Rumsfeld and everyone who works for them will be prosecuted.


Chaney?? Really?

I don't know that I will ever be able to take you seriously again.

This is how I see the prosecution of the executive branch. You own a business. One of your employees goes crazy, and brings a gun to work and kills a customer. You are prosecuted because you are the his boss and you should have "absolute control" over what you employees do. I dont think so...

They didn't give these orders for these acts of complete irresponsibility by these few, and there was only a few, bad apples. Prosecute them and their immediate supervisors not the people who had nothing to do with this.

[Wndrtch]

Hello December:

I've read all of your post and again I ask you the following question: Do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished? Yes or no.

I believe that they should be punished. Do you agree?


I'll answer that, Yes!, However, I want a deffinition of "Crimes Against Humanity", because Geneva states this:

Article 17 -
"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68

According to Geneva, you cannot interogate them at all, if they refuse to answer your questions. Forget waterboarding, you're a war criminal for insulting them or "exposing them to unpleasent or disadvantageous treatment"! What the hell is prison, if not unpleaseant and disadvantaged?

Before I hand one soldier over to the International community, I want a more logical definition of War Crimes Against Humanity. This is just a joke.

Give me a break!

[Scorpion]

Hello December:

I've read all of your post and again I ask you the following question: Do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished? Yes or no.

I believe that they should be punished. Do you agree?


I'll answer that, Yes!, However, I want a deffinition of "Crimes Against Humanity", because Geneva states this:

Article 17 -
"No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind."

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68

According to Geneva, you cannot interogate them at all, if they refuse to answer your questions. Forget waterboarding, you're a war criminal for insulting them or "exposing them to unpleasent or disadvantageous treatment"! What the hell is prison, if not unpleaseant and disadvantaged?

Before I hand one soldier over to the International community, I want a more logical definition of War Crimes Against Humanity. This is just a joke.

Give me a break!


I see. December can't speak for himself so he's hired you as his spokesperson.

My question to December was and remains, "Do you agree that those who commit crimes against humanity while in the military should be punished?" A very simple question which can be answered with a very simple yes or no.