White Supremacists rallying around Ron Paul's Presidential campaign [Archive]

AlonzoMourning23

11-28-2007, 09:06 PM

Republican presidential hopeful Ron Paul, whose long-shot campaign has been gaining media attention in recent days, apparently has the support of an unusual constituency -- the white supremacist movement.

Stormfront.org, a white supremacy web site, as well as others, such as WhiteWorldNews.com, have actively supported Paul's bid for the presidency, including directing donors to his campaign. Stormfront has also endorsed Paul for president.

"Once in a great while a presidential candidate is presented to us. A candidate who not only speaks to us, but for us...I am supporting Ron Paul in his run for the presidency," the Stormfront endorsement says. The endorsement praises Paul's plans to reduce taxes, close the borders and eliminate trade deals, such as NAFTA.

"Whatever organization you belong to, remember first and foremost that you are a white nationalist," the endorsement continues. "Put your differences with one and other aside and work together. Work together to strive to get someone in the Oval Office who agrees with much of what we want for our future. Look at the man. Look at the issues. Look at our future. Vote for Ron Paul 2008."

The white supremacy movement directs potential donors to the independent ThisNovember5th.com web site, which is a fundraising mechanism for the Paul campaign. The web site netted Paul $4.2 million from some 37,000 people on Nov. 5 -- a record amount raised in a single day through the Internet by any Republican candidate.

The Paul Campaign on Thursday announced it had refunded $3,000 of the millions of dollars it had received Nov. 5. The money was donated on stolen credit cards, in sums of $5 per card. There was no indication, however, that white supremacists were involved in the stolen-card donations.

ThisNovember5th.com was created in memory of Guy Fawkes' failed Gunpowder Plot in England in 1608. Fawkes planned to blow up Parliament and kill King James I to restore the Catholic Church in Protestant England. Paul supporters used the web site and Guy Fawke's Day to support "Ron Paul's Revolution."

Jesse Benton, communications director for Ron Paul for President 2008, said he was unaware of the existence of Stormfront until just a few days ago, though Stormfront radio endorsed Paul in mid-October.

As for what the campaign will do with the supremacist donations, Benton said white supremacists are wasting their money on Paul, a physician and long-time congressman from Texas. "We are not in the business of trying to track who is giving us money," Benton said. "If they want to waste their money on us we will take it and use it to promote freedom and individual rights, not their agenda."

There is no indication that Paul has courted right-wing support. But a wide array of white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups have backed him nonetheless, and there have been rumors about right-wing support in the blogosphere for months.

On Oct. 4 Will Williams, a former leader of the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group, posted on the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network that white supremacy supporters should support Paul for president.

"Till then I recommend folks get involved in the Ron Paul 'revolution' and work with political activists in your communities who are attracted to his anti-globalist message," Williams wrote. "Be disciplined. Blend in; find common ground with them and artfully radicalize those who are receptive and avoid those who are not. ... Most of you would be surprised at how many good people can be exposed to a, let's say, 'pro-majority' message among the remarkable groundswell of fed-up, mostly white Ron Paul supporters -- many, early on, from the 9/11 truth movement. They are finding their backbones as they are exposed to more and more hidden truths, especially about the hidden hand of Jewry behind every foul venture."

In addition to his white supremacist activities, Williams is the organizer of the Upper East Tennessee Volunteers for Ron Paul [http://ronpaul.meetup.com/175/?gj=sj6] . Williams also worked on conservative Republican Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign in 2000.

Besides the endorsement from Stormfront.org, its founder, Don Black, donated $500 to the Paul campaign, according to Federal Elections Commission filings ( http://disclosure.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/dcdev/forms/C00432914/307525/sa/17A/10). The Lonestartimes.com has the full background on Black's donation (http://lonestartimes.com/2007/10/25/rpb1/ ). Stormfront also has a dedicated thread, "The Ron Paul Revolution."

The Ron Paul meetup.com, which has more than 42,000 Paul supporters on it, also has several well-known white supremacists declaring their support for Paul. Michael Mazzone, the Chicago leader of the white supremacist Church of the Creator -- whose motto is "RAHOWA," or Racial Holy War -- is listed as a supporter http://ronpaul.meetup.com/94/members/5169035/ ], as is neo-Nazi Nationalist Coalition member John Ubele [ http://ronpaul.meetup.com/699/members/4500957/] .

On the Vanguard News Network , convicted bomber and neo-Nazi Todd Vanbiber posted his support for Paul, saying "I think I'm going to get in touch with the local Paul people and see if I can help. I am serious about this shit." [http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=52557] Vanbiber was convicted and spent 5 years in a Florida prison for planning to bomb over a dozen Orlando locations.

The Vanguard News Network, Stormfront.org, neo-Nazi Nationalist Coalition, the Church of the Creator and the National Alliance have all been listed as or linked to white supremacy and hate groups by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The center is the nation's leading authority on hate groups in the United States and it publishes a hate group map annually. The 2006 hate group map can be found here: http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp .

The Houston Chronicle documented Paul as having written some questionable materials himself. In his 1992 independent political newsletter, Paul reported on a survey of blacks. He has refused to provide the survey to anyone. His comments include:

* "Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

* "Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the 'criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

* "We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

* "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

Earlier this year Paul addressed a gathering of the Robert A. Taft Club in Arlington, Va. The club is run by Marcus Epstein, executive director of the conservative Team America PAC, or political action committee. Epstein also writes for the anti-immigration site vdare.com, which the Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled a hate site, and is a regular writer for the white supremacy journal American Renaissance.

[ http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=1095] The Law Center said it was not clear if Paul knew of Epstein's supremacist ties.

http://www.pridesource.com/article.shtml?article=28016

David Duke and other racists also have websites endorsing Paul, and Paul seems more than happy to take any and all donations racist scum such as Duke and stormfront offer them.

Scorpion

11-28-2007, 09:39 PM

Wow. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

When he gets his blimp perhaps he'll call it the Hindenburg II and put a swastika on the tail.

:madlaugh:

micfranklin

11-29-2007, 12:24 AM

Haven't we been over the "He didn't write that paper, a ghostwriter did" phase already?

As for the racists that's dirty money and it seems like he's already got enough.

Labrocca

11-29-2007, 12:53 AM

And if Gays rally around a candidate does that make the candidate gay?

It would be obvious that any candidate talking less government control would attract some fringe groups. Ron Paul is not a liberal. He is not a candidate that will take our tax money and redistribute it to the poor. Instead he will tell the poor...get a job. The NAACP and other liberal groups should greatly fear Pau.

AlonzoMourning23

11-29-2007, 01:04 AM

micfranklin

11-29-2007, 01:22 AM

Well in my POV they should reject it because like I said, it's dirty money and they have quite a lot as it is. But then again, they might wanna keep some of it because they might need it later, especially since I heard Obama only raised like $4500 last time.

Oh, and forgive me Zo but I can't help but notice that every time you make a thread in the Ron Paul section it always has some kind of negativity to it.

AlonzoMourning23

11-29-2007, 01:25 AM

Oh, and forgive me Zo but I can't help but notice that every time you make a thread in the Ron Paul section it always has some kind of negativity to it.

Well, I don't like Ron Paul. But these sections are to discuss the candidate, not necessarily to support them.

qwerty

11-29-2007, 07:22 AM

Hey, Zo ?

You should ask why BLACKS, HISPANICS AND WHITE SUPREAMCISTS RALLY BEHIND SAME MESSAGE ?

Why don´t you take some time off and think WHY PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PERSONAL IDEOLOGIES SUPPORT SAME CANDIDATE ?

I really hate your kind, you are just doing EVERYTHING to defame somebody instead of support someone else....

:clapper:[hr]
Wow. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

When he gets his blimp perhaps he'll call it the Hindenburg II and put a swastika on the tail.

:madlaugh:

He shouldn´t do ANYTHING...

Are you saying that he should start choosing people who can support his message and who can´t and stand behind individual freedom ?

That freedom contains freedom of speech too...

I have seen never a message like his which brings together people from ALL THE IDEOLOGIES.

United states are now much more united than before!

ViolaLee

11-29-2007, 03:59 PM

micfranklin

11-29-2007, 04:25 PM

No bias. I'm sure white supremacists get behind Giuliani or McCain as much as feminists get behind Clinton or black nationalists behind Obama.

This spreads through the whole presidential race.

AlonzoMourning23

11-29-2007, 05:12 PM

I'm not sure how feminists fit into that group mic.

Is criticizm off limits for your idol Ron Paul?

Idol was soooo last month. He's God now.

Are you saying that he should start choosing people who can support his message and who can´t and stand behind individual freedom ?

That freedom contains freedom of speech too...

I have seen never a message like his which brings together people from ALL THE IDEOLOGIES.

He should repudiate those that he finds reprehensible. If you want to make your name as an honest politician you probably shouldn't ally yourself, or fail to denounce those who ally themselves with you, that you think are completely and utterly wrong.

I have seen never a message like his which brings together people from ALL THE IDEOLOGIES.

United states are now much more united than before!

I have to conclude that, if you really believe this, it's only because you aren't actually seeing the U.S. up close.

Deadshot

11-29-2007, 05:28 PM

Well beyond Lab comparing Gay's to racists, there really isn't much to say except to explain something to people.

Racism is illegal in the work place.
It is illegal to deny someone food, shelter, medical treatment, etc. based on their race.
Going into an area and proclaiming that you are a Nazi or hate all Blacks/Hispanics/etc. is more then a simple social faux pas in most of the Country.

Most people would rather be referred to as Gay then be labeled a racist, assuming you could only choose one or the other.

So when Ron Paul takes money from racists he allies himself with their cause. That doesn't mean that he, personally, is a racist. Only that he'll accept their money and is willing to ally himself with them.

Ask yourself this people, why would no one accept a campaign contribution from NAMBLA (a pedophilic organizaition, aka the North American Man Boy Love Assoc.)? If Hillary were to take it, for example, no one could claim she was part of the Organization, she's not a man. Yet if one is willing to take money from those type of people, you are allying yourself with those type of people. Ergo, even though Hillary could not, by definition of her sex, be part of thier organization she wouldn't take their money.

IMHO, Paul will not win the GOP nomination, and at worst will run as a third party candidate sucking off votes like Nader did to Gore in 2000 only damaging the GOP! Paul's just to desperate, as his campaign contributions prove.

PatrickHenry

11-29-2007, 05:31 PM

To be consistent, this topic better be closed, like the one on Jews spitting on Christians on Israel...

The actions of a few are unworthy of comment on DF...

Scorpion

11-29-2007, 06:02 PM

To be consistent, this topic better be closed, like the one on Jews spitting on Christians on Israel...

The actions of a few are unworthy of comment on DF...

It's a relevant and interesting topic which regards a major candidate in the presidential race which makes it an appropriate topic for discussion.

It's no less as important a topic as Clinton using a wanted felon as a campaign employee involved in contribution solicitations.

Uncle

11-29-2007, 06:24 PM

Bring a "racist" myself, I support Ron Paul above all the other candidates, not because he too is "racist", or a "White supremacist" or even because he is White, but because he is the only candidate who supports the Constitution and wants to put the U.S. back on track. He alone of the candidates wants to harness the Federal Reserve Bank, do something about illegal immigration and put an end to NAFTA as well as other ventures that are wrecking this country.

What is going on here, (in the types of articles as pasted in the opening comment), is nothing but a smear campaign by those who fear Ron Paul. To align him with Nazis and the like is the easiest way to discredit his candidacy. Ron Paul is a moving force that represents the majority of the voters, (White supremacist or not), who are fed up with the liberal/p.c. bullshit that has taken control of government. He is not sucking hind teat in the polls and election contributions because he is not sucking ass like the other candidates are; He is not pandering to special interest groups. Instead he is working to revitalize a country that is on the brink of ruin.

Here is an entire list of jews for Ron Paul: http://www.jews4ronpaul.org/advisors.html
Does that make him jewish? No more than it make him a Nazi.

Ron Paul "is the top Republican presidential candidate among African-American voters." according to this site: http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/15/
ron-paul-is-highest-polling-republican-among-black-voters
Does that make him black? No more than it makes him a Klansman.

You know who doesn't support Ron Paul? AIPAC, ADL, and every other Israel before the U.S. hate group and communist you can name = People who want to continue the Bush legacy of destroying the Constitution by eroding every freedom it guarantees us.

Want Bush in panties? Vote Hillary.
Want him in black face? Vote Obama.
Want him in panties again? Vote Guilliani.
The list goes on.
If you want a replacement for Bush, (and not a copy of him) vote Ron Paul.

Truth_and_Power

11-29-2007, 06:28 PM

Wow I agree with Uncle.. *choke* it huurrrrrts.

Want him with a nice complexion and hair? Vote Romney

Tsky

11-29-2007, 06:41 PM

Paul also accepted money from the Bunny "Prostitution" Ranch.

"“Now I don’t know much about him, but I don’t screen anyone who wants to send me money,'' he said on Fox today. "If they believe in freedom and want to endorse it and they want to give me money, what they do with their freedom is their business, but I don’t screen people."" Ron Paul

Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. He might as well take money from the pedophile association. He doesn't care who you are or what you stand for, he wants the money.

Now we all know he won't win the election. I wonder what he'll do with all this money after the elections are over. Maybe he'll go visit the Bunny Ranch...

micfranklin

11-29-2007, 11:23 PM

I'm not sure how feminists fit into that group mic.

My point is that racists/extremists of any sort (KKK, Nazis, Black Panthers, etc) will support whoever for the given reason of race.

As for Uncle.....*gasp* I gotta agree with him, particularly about the parts with following the Constitution and putting it back on track and aligning him with Nazis being a good way to kill your own credibility.

Oh God I might have to poison myself now.

Labrocca

11-30-2007, 12:14 AM

Well beyond Lab comparing Gay's to racists, there really isn't much to say except to explain something to people.

I made an analogy not a comparison....understand the difference.

qwerty

11-30-2007, 07:30 AM

Don't hate.

Is criticizm off limits for your idol Ron Paul?

No, why don´t you critize HIS POSITIONS, not his supporters, it´s something he can´t control. That´s why it´s a LOW strike...

You know, FREEDOM OF SPEECH is part of FREEDOM.

Idol was soooo last month. He's God now.

This shows clearly, that your only intention is defame, not to have conversation...

He should repudiate those that he finds reprehensible. If you want to make your name as an honest politician you probably shouldn't ally yourself, or fail to denounce those who ally themselves with you, that you think are completely and utterly wrong.

ARE YOU BLIND ? ARE YOU ? OMFG!

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

Does it say, i´m racist and i support white supremacism ?

Oh, let´s see what a black guy has to say about this issue,

Ron Paul and his Nazi Connections
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VY2oyjAWejU

I have to conclude that, if you really believe this, it's only because you aren't actually seeing the U.S. up close.

Freedom brings together, all you have to do is take a look at the Ron Paul rallies...

So when Ron Paul takes money from racists he allies himself with their cause. That doesn't mean that he, personally, is a racist. Only that he'll accept their money and is willing to ally himself with them.

That´s the most stupid thing so far here...

LOL, a presidential campaign should ask every individual what are their personal ideologies and then start choosing individuals who can vote for him.

What makes you afraid that you have message in front of you which bring people together. I mean racists and blacks standing side by side and working for the campaign.

Do you mean that a presindential candidate MUST agree on anything what his supporters believe ?

Ask yourself this people, why would no one accept a campaign contribution from NAMBLA (a pedophilic organizaition, aka the North American Man Boy Love Assoc.)?

OMG, cause it´s ILLEGAL!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH/CONSTITUTION PROTECTS WHITE SUPREMACISTS...

Paul's just to desperate, as his campaign contributions prove.

Yes, you see that also from this donations...

That´s SO bullshit...

Desperate when he soon has raised 10 million is this quarter and have over 80.000 non-paid individuals working for him around the USA...

BTW, Rudy said Ron in Florida this week that, "you have lot of support" Ron said that "it´s only beginning"

:ecstatic:

Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess. He might as well take money from the pedophile association. He doesn't care who you are or what you stand for, he wants the money.

Bullshit.

That´s illegal...Having a brothel in Nevada is legal, i think...How low can a hit-piece go ?

This is so pathetic...

He has raised 10 million soon in this quarter so what makes him desperate ?

Actually he must figure, how to spend it cause he never expected that kind of money!

Pookie

11-30-2007, 08:20 AM

qwerty

11-30-2007, 08:42 AM

Oh geez, I think I agree with most of what Uncle says, too. I don't think any candidate can really help who backs him/her and supports his/her campaign. I say take the money, say thank you, don't look a gift horse in the mouth and if a candidate hates what the person or organization stands for, donate that money to a good cause.
No candidate can or should "screen" every single supporter. What a waste of time!
Purrs,
Pookie

So, true.

Or should we make a law that you can´t vote anyone if you are white supremacist ?

So of the people in this board are just so pathetic...

:clapper:

:ecstatic:

Drocket

11-30-2007, 08:43 AM

I'd generally agree with the sentiment that a candidate can't really help who supports them or donates to them. At the same time, lets be honest: their support isn't exactly coming out of the blue. Yeah, yeah, I know - he didn't write the article himself. He merely paid someone to write it, then published it under his name in a magazine he both owned and operated. *Clearly* he has no responsibility there. (/sarcasm)

Beyond that, though, the man throws out racist 'dog whistle' phrases right and left: from the whole 'North American Union' craziness to the federal reserve craziness. These are part-and-parcel of the white supremacist movement. He's even more blatant than Reagan giving a 'state's rights' speech on the site of the murder of civil rights workers.

And depressingly, he's STILL not as bad as the other Republican candidates...

Tsky

11-30-2007, 01:18 PM

If any of the other candidates took money from the Bunny Ranch they'd be laughed out of the election. He can get away with it b/c only a few people actually take him seriously and he's this election's version of Ross Perot. It will be nice if his supporters acknowledge that they like what he has to say but realize voting for him would be a waste of time because a black man has a better shot at winning the presidency than he does. (I can get away with saying that and I'll let you all guess why.)

And besides, most of his supporters seem bitter and angry.

AlonzoMourning23

11-30-2007, 08:11 PM

PatrickHenry

11-30-2007, 08:26 PM

Tsky, what do you have against bunnies?

or ranchers?

Are you some kind of elitist?

Tsky

11-30-2007, 09:05 PM

Tsky, what do you have against bunnies? Yes. They have shifty eyes and give me the impression that they cannot be trusted around my vegetables.

or ranchers? Yes. They smell of Moonshine, Colt 45 and hay.

Are you some kind of elitist? Yes. At least my friends in the Order of Skull and Bones fraternity seem to think so.

:dork:

micfranklin

11-30-2007, 09:13 PM

Order of Skull and Bones. That pretty much says it all.

Tsky

11-30-2007, 09:26 PM

Does anyone have a sense of humor around here?

Just sayin.

Pookie

12-01-2007, 06:26 AM

I thought it was funny. I'm a charter member. JUST KIDDING!!
But I still think he can't really help who backs him. Until we see David Duke coming forward to announce his support, I wouldn't worry about it.
Purrs,
Pookie

Drocket

12-01-2007, 06:35 AM

Until we see David Duke coming forward to announce his support...

You appear to be several months behind the times. David Duke is VERY much a Ron Paul supporter, and has been rooting/campaigning/fundraising for Ron Paul since at least this past summer. I'd link you to Duke's website, where you read about how the Jew-controlled media is conspiring to keep Ron Paul out of office, but I'd prefer to not give him any traffic...

Uncle

12-01-2007, 08:14 AM

I'd link you to Duke's website, where you read about how the Jew-controlled media is conspiring to keep Ron Paul out of office, but I'd prefer to not give him any traffic...

I'll gladly do it for you: http://www.davidduke.com/

Pookie

12-01-2007, 09:17 AM

LOL!! Geez, you would have to wade through a LOT of David Duke sewage to get to the blurb about Ron Paul, which, by the way, was on November 28. CNN, ABC, Fox, MSNBC and the rest of the mainstream news outlets haven't said anything about it.
I still wouldn't worry about it. David Duke is a bigot and an a$$hole, and the way he's begging for money, he's about as popular as a case of hemorrhoids.
Purrs,
Pookie

AlanC

12-01-2007, 12:26 PM

The point of the whole thing is this.

When a candidate accepts money from anyone they are at least offering the appearance of an alignment of views with that person. Now its true that no candidate can monitor every dollar as it comes in and be aware of who may have written the check.

But this is a bit more involved than that. Certainly by now, Ron Paul is very aware that he is recieving cash donations from some really disreputable sources. He is also aware that he is being supported by many white supremicist groups on their web sites. He obviously is aware of racist statements made with his name attached to them.

And yet, he has done nothing to publicly denounce these groups, reject their money, reject their messages of hate, or politely refuse their support.

Seems like he doesn't mind being alined with them. And if that is the case, he deserves a much harder look for such alliances.

If candidates can be as excoriated as they were for accepting money from Abramoff, well Republicans anyway, then surely Ron Paul should not get a pass on this. If everyone was so eager to demand that anyone invovled with Abramoff return funds, then should anything less be demanded of Ron Paul?

Pookie

12-01-2007, 12:48 PM

Good points, Alan. Check out that website, too. This David Duke is begging for money, yet he's giving money to Ron Paul. What's up with that?
Purrs,
Pookie

AlanC

12-01-2007, 01:05 PM

Well, to tell you the truth, I would not grace that ass with a pop on his web site. But, that is a marvelous observation and question. Makes you wonder.

qwerty

12-01-2007, 05:52 PM

Americans are funny. They generally like their candidates distancing themselves from, and denouncing, nazi's and skinheads, not give taking the money and telling them to "keep it coming".

CAN YOU READ ?

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

Racism

A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty. [hr]But this is a bit more involved than that. Certainly by now, Ron Paul is very aware that he is recieving cash donations from some really disreputable sources. He is also aware that he is being supported by many white supremicist groups on their web sites. He obviously is aware of racist statements made with his name attached to them.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

There is it, Ron Paul´s position on Racism...

You don´t need more...

So these racists must have some other reason to support Ron, OMG, they support him, cause of the same things that his african-american supporters...

See, that´s why it´s called revolution, people defending same message, not matter what their personal belifs are.

And yet, he has done nothing to publicly denounce these groups, reject their money, reject their messages of hate, or politely refuse their support.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

Can you read ?

Seems like he doesn't mind being alined with them. And if that is the case, he deserves a much harder look for such alliances.

This campaign is about individual rights, no matter what you believe on. One right is freedom of speech...Constitution seems to protect EVERYONE!

December

12-01-2007, 06:19 PM

AlanC

12-01-2007, 06:32 PM

There is it, Ron Paul´s position on Racism...

You don´t need more...

Actually, yes, I do. You see, anyone can and does make statements all the time. But if he really believed what this position espouses, he would back that up by his actions.

Actions such as telling the David Dukes of the world that they are indeed pathetic racists and sending his money back to him in the most public manner possible. The fact that he keeps the money and remains silent speaks volumns about the man himself.

The longer he does this, the less anyone will believe that letter with his name at the bottom was really written by someone else. And no, the constitution does not protect everyone.

There are several types of speech that fall outside the free speech protection.

But, it is no matter. He's your candidate. As long as you are happy and don't care why no one else is going to vote for the man, its no skin off my nose either.

qwerty

12-01-2007, 06:44 PM

Actually, yes, I do. You see, anyone can and does make statements all the time. But if he really believed what this position espouses, he would back that up by his actions.

Show me one white supremacist saying that he supports Ron, cause his is racist ?

Yes, you can´t find one, cause Ron isn´t...

:clapper:

If his OFFICIAL HOMEPAGE MAKES A STATEMENT, WHAT ELSE DO YOU NEED ? :rolleyes:

Actions such as telling the David Dukes of the world that they are indeed pathetic racists and sending his money back to him in the most public manner possible. The fact that he keeps the money and remains silent speaks volumns about the man himself.

Why they can´t support his message, since they support it by the same reasons that african-americans do ?

The longer he does this, the less anyone will believe that letter with his name at the bottom was really written by someone else. And no, the constitution does not protect everyone.

There are several types of speech that fall outside the free speech protection.

Yes, i know that your goverment are taking even your freedom of speech away.

It seems to protect Stormfront since they have their site up...

But, it is no matter. He's your candidate. As long as you are happy and don't care why no one else is going to vote for the man, its no skin off my nose either.

I´m not american...

Maybe this Black man can talk you some sense,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2oyjAWejU&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY2oyjAWejU&eurl=

AlanC

12-01-2007, 07:01 PM

No, that won't do it either. If you need You Tube to make your argument, you have already lost.

So, you are not an American? Can I assume that means you are not a registered Republican as well? He's still your candidate, the one you are supporting for whatever reason.

Uncle

12-01-2007, 08:55 PM

Alan C, you insinuate that Ron Paul should return contributions he has received from the David Duke types. Let's say that he is a racist and is keeping the money for that reason, (not a bad thing or reason in my opinion). Should he then return the donations he has received from the many non-White groups? Or should he, (as I would) use his enemies monies against them?

I personally don't think Ron Paul is any more racist than the average White American, but even if he is, it doesn't matter. You see it is his ideals, his desires, his commitments to this country that have attracted White Nationalist to him - just as it has a wide variety of people of different racial origins. Whites, blacks, jews, asians, mestizos, amerindians, etcetera, find in Ron Paul a message that is not in any other candidate: Restore the United States of America. Bring back to this country dignity, hope, self respect, honor, the Constitution as something to live by and not just some "gd piece of paper" as G.W. Bush called it. He brings promise to everyone regardless of race, creed or gender. The people who support Ron Paul are the people who are informed on the issues, who know the enemies of our country are the ones in control of it. Ron Paul is a candidate who has served this country for decades. The changes he plans to implement are the changes he/we know need to be done in order to make this country self reliant and prosperous once again.

Regardless who Ron Paul takes his money from does not bother me at all. I am what you would term a "racist" and I am proud of all White "racist" who are donating to Pauls candidacy. I am not concerned about rather Paul is going to send negros back to Africa, (I know he is not); I don't expect him to grant Whites favors above all other races, (again, I know he wont). I do not back Ron Paul for racialist reasons; I back Ron Paul because he is the patriot that this country needs to bring it back into moral and global standings; He is the one candidate who is not bowing down before certain groups or making promises to certain groups to work their will. And these are the reasons other White Nationalist support him as well. He is strong and he is committed to the same things we White Nationalist have been committed to for decades. But people who don't visit our sites don't know that. They have these preconceived notions that all we do is sit around building nooses and shaking up spray cans for painting Swazis on synagogues.

Aside from all that Ron Paul claims he will do if elected, there is only one other thing I would ask of him: Lock up all liberals in loony bins!

AlanC

12-01-2007, 10:39 PM

Uncle,

As long as you are happy with him. I won't be voting for the man.

Uncle

12-02-2007, 06:39 AM

Uncle,

As long as you are happy with him. I won't be voting for the man.

Of course you wont. It requires a degree of intelligence and an ability to reason to vote for what is best for ones country and not what is best for ones bigoted, perverted self.

qwerty

12-02-2007, 07:25 AM

No, that won't do it either. If you need You Tube to make your argument, you have already lost.

I send you a video, where black man is talking about this thing to show you that african-americans don´t actually care about this.

So, you are not an American? Can I assume that means you are not a registered Republican as well? He's still your candidate, the one you are supporting for whatever reason.

Yes, i´m not American! i can´t vote Ron Paul![hr]
Uncle,

As long as you are happy with him. I won't be voting for the man.

So your point is that you don´t take a look at candidates issues, you just look who supports him and then choose your candidate.

What a logic you have... :ecstatic:

Here´s the biggest reason why people from all kinds of backrounds support him,

Brief Overview of Congressman Paul’s Record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

Thank you for sending that message and expsoing your motivation!

AlonzoMourning23

12-02-2007, 11:43 AM

I send you a video, where black man is talking about this thing to show you that african-americans don´t actually care about this.

Do you have a video of a Jew as well? I need to know what all Jew's think of him.

qwerty

12-02-2007, 11:48 AM

I send you a video, where black man is talking about this thing to show you that african-americans don´t actually care about this.

David Duke would be proud.

Do you have a video of a Jew as well? I need to know what all Jew's think of him.

Who cares what David Duke thinks ?

This revolution is about Ron issues, not David Dukes issues. See If David Duke agrees with Ron, it doesn´t mean that Ron agrees with David in every issue...

You don´t have nothing agaist RonPaul, so you try to attack few of his supporters...

What about the millions of other supporters, why aren´t you talking about them ?

You really are pathetic...People can see your motivation...

:madlaugh:

AlanC

12-02-2007, 09:39 PM

qwerty,

Anyone can and does SAY a list of aims, goals and positions. What a candidate says is of far less importance than what they have actually done. It is also necessary to look at the past for evidence of what a candidate will actually do if they are elected.

You have made a list of what he has not done. But what has he done. What significant legislation has he both proposed and seen actually enacted? What have you seen him do that gives you faith he will accomplish what he has promised or talked about?

]You don´t have nothing agaist RonPaul, so you try to attack few of his supporters

Actually, its very important to know who supports any candidate and who is attempting to buy influence with them. You see, once elected, the candidate will be making hundreds of appointments to White House staff, heads of agencies, judges, US attorneys, ambassadors, etc.. All candidates tend to make at least some of these appointments from within their circle of staunch supporters.

The more money one person gives and the more money they are able to pull together from other sources, the more likely that person is going have influence and an active part in the coming administration.

Since Ron Paul has no intention of distancing himself publicly from white supremicists, it is safe to assume that their is a likely hood of those people or others known to them will be playing significant roles in a Paul adminstration. These roles may be background or they may be up front and public.

I see nothing in his past performance to indicate he can do much of anything to enact any of his promises. I do not want to find out that David Duke or anyone recommended by him occupies promenent positions in government. As such, I won't be voting for Ron Paul. I'm glad you find him so engaging.

And your young man on the you tube video is reading a script. Perhaps he believes and perhaps he doesn't. Its of little consequence because I doubt seriously those statements would find support from even a significant proportion of the Black population. They don't often exhibit tolerance of White Power advocates.

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 12:05 AM

You don´t have nothing agaist RonPaul, so you try to attack few of his supporters...

You are trying to take one black guy and claim that he represents black people as a whole.

Well how about this, I represent the white guys opinion on Paul. I can say your opinions worthless because, according to your logic, one guy represents a race.

What about the millions of other supporters, why aren´t you talking about them ?

3 million people would amount to 1% of the u.s. population.

You really are pathetic...People can see your motivation...

:madlaugh:

Come on, no racist, bigot etc?

qwerty

12-03-2007, 06:49 AM

Anyone can and does SAY a list of aims, goals and positions. What a candidate says is of far less importance than what they have actually done. It is also necessary to look at the past for evidence of what a candidate will actually do if they are elected.

Do you want to see a video which is from 1988 and hear that Ron Paul is talking same things back then...

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

Congressman Paul introduces numerous pieces of substantive legislation each year, probably more than any single member of Congress.

There is a word you ignore, NEVER...It´s pretty amusing that you attack against Ron Paul record when the other candidates are KNOWN FLIP-FLOPPERS...

Are you trying to say that Ron could became a racist when elected, cause he has white supremacist suppoters...? If you are, you really must...never mind..

You have made a list of what he has not done. But what has he done. What significant legislation has he both proposed and seen actually enacted? What have you seen him do that gives you faith he will accomplish what he has promised or talked about?

There you go, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

Just ask, i give some material for you, i know you won´t read it but i still give...

And voting agaisnt something is NOT DOING ANYTHING ? LOL...

That´s the first thing to do, to put the America back on the right track...

Actually, its very important to know who supports any candidate and who is attempting to buy influence with them. You see, once elected, the candidate will be making hundreds of appointments to White House staff, heads of agencies, judges, US attorneys, ambassadors, etc.. All candidates tend to make at least some of these appointments from within their circle of staunch supporters.

OMG, now you trying to say that Ron will became racist, cause he has white supremacist supporters... You must be joking...

He will have pretty busy time there if he tries to agree with every supporter in everything...

It´s not important to see who supports a candidate, it´s more important to take a look at candidates issues, there you can find reasons WHY HE GET SUPPORT FROM ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE...Actually these people are standing side by side in the meetup groups working for the cause.

You are so lost...

The more money one person gives and the more money they are able to pull together from other sources, the more likely that person is going have influence and an active part in the coming administration.

So, you are saying that Ron tracks down every donor and ask him/her his personal positions and then make a list. Then he looks at the list and changes his positions. :rolleyes:

Yeah, Don Black 500$ and David Duke 500$ is crusial for the campaign which has raised over 10 million is this quarter so far! :rolleyes:

You should see that the Status Quo doesn´t donate to Ron Paul, ordianry americans do.

How old are you ? You told you that if candidate receives few thousands from white supremacists, he must then agree with them... Would Obama have to do the same ?

:ecstatic:

Since Ron Paul has no intention of distancing himself publicly from white supremicists, it is safe to assume that their is a likely hood of those people or others known to them will be playing significant roles in a Paul adminstration. These roles may be background or they may be up front and public.

Is his homepage some kind private place ? There´s a STRAIGHT statement about this thing, http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

This is so pathetic... Yes, they have donated few thousands dollars, they are crusial for the campaign...he had over 38.000 donors alone in Nov 5th...Are you serious man, you must be laughing there to yourself.

:madlaugh:

I see nothing in his past performance to indicate he can do much of anything to enact any of his promises. I do not want to find out that David Duke or anyone recommended by him occupies promenent positions in government. As such, I won't be voting for Ron Paul. I'm glad you find him so engaging.

He actually can do awful lot. If you want me to elaborate, ask...

And your young man on the you tube video is reading a script. Perhaps he believes and perhaps he doesn't. Its of little consequence because I doubt seriously those statements would find support from even a significant proportion of the Black population. They don't often exhibit tolerance of White Power advocates.

Where they see racism on Ron Paul´s platform..?

See, Ron Paul sees people as INDIVIDUALS, not as a groups like others.

Ron Paul believes on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, OTHER BELIEVE THAT IF YOU BELONG TO SOME GROUP WHO GET DIFFERENT RIGHTS... That kind of thinking is the ONLY way to end racism, we must think that ALL ARE INDIVIDUALS, even now we are just talking about blacks/whites etc etc...

Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/15/ron-paul-is-highest-polling-republican-among-black-voters/

You are trying to take one black guy and claim that he represents black people as a whole.

Well how about this, I represent the white guys opinion on Paul. I can say your opinions worthless because, according to your logic, one guy represents a race.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/15/ron-paul-is-highest-polling-republican-among-black-voters/

Here´s another for you, http://youtube.com/watch?v=5EuNgqIiz60

3 million people would amount to 1% of the u.s. population.

So ?

:rolleyes:

Come on, no racist, bigot etc?

Like i said Ron Paul is the only candidate who could actually end racism, he believes on individuals not groups.

And actually he would like to end the war on drugs which is pretty BIG thing for blacks...

Take a look at,

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5EuNgqIiz60[hr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryshRJKVpPQ&feature=related

Take a look at,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryshRJKVpPQ&feature=related

Ron Paul talking to african-american, HUGE !

Check this DEBATE! Where are the "front-runners" ?

He is actually BEST candidate for African Americans!

Voluntary

12-03-2007, 08:16 AM

Lab, are you telling me that Rudy, Hillary, Romney or Obama taking money from racist organizations, and doing nothing but continue to take money when they find out, wouldn't be news? Shouldn't they refuse and/or return the money due to its origins?

Ron Paul should not refuse, like he should not refuse any money against his primary ideology. Rudy, Hilary, Romney, and Obama are all bigots. What makes you think they are pure?

Paul will not back down; small government and less interference.

Are you afraid of KKK taking over? This is sad, if you think it mandates government. Can you not stick up as an individual to oppose KKK or do you breast feed off the government?

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 11:27 AM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5EuNgqIiz60

Woohoo! You're up to two blacks!

He is actually BEST candidate for African Americans!

Na, these people are the best ones for African Americans:

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/

Seriously though, posting a video or two of black people and saying "Blacks love Ron Paul!" is as absurd as posting a video or two of a couple of white people and saying the same.

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 11:28 AM

qwerty

12-03-2007, 03:28 PM

Woohoo! You're up to two blacks!

Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/15/ron-paul-is-highest-polling-republican-among-black-voters/

You failed to see this article ? Oh, make a claim now that they lie on web-site...

Seriously though, posting a video or two of black people and saying "Blacks love Ron Paul!" is as absurd as posting a video or two of a couple of white people and saying the same.

And posting a article about few white supremacist supporters isn´t absurd, you are trying to make him look like a KKK member here and that´s not arsurd to you.

What i wanted to show you that individuals supports him for the same reasons no matter of their presonal belifs.

Freedom is popular!

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 03:39 PM

Ron Paul is Highest-Polling Republican Among Black Voters

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-release...ck-voters/

You failed to see this article ? Oh, make a claim now that they lie on web-site...

Not as impressive when you consider only about 10% of blacks vote republican.

According to the article, Obama and Hillary both get about 70% of the vote when faced directly with Paul. Not very good for your argument.

And posting a article about few white supremacist supporters isn´t absurd, you are trying to make him look like a KKK member here and that´s not arsurd to you.

I'm trying to point out that he'll work with anyone if they give him money and claim to support his campaign. Most people would be bothered by the thought of getting sizable campaign contributions from prominent racist groups. They certainly would want to clarify that they want nothing to do with such bigots.

AlanC

12-03-2007, 04:32 PM

Let's say that he is a racist and is keeping the money for that reason, (not a bad thing or reason in my opinion)

You don’t think it’s a bad thing if he is a racist? Okay.

I personally don't think Ron Paul is any more racist than the average White American, but even if he is, it doesn't matter.

Again, if he is a racist, you don’t think that matters? Okay.

Regardless who Ron Paul takes his money from does not bother me at all. I am what you would term a "racist" and I am proud of all White "racist" who are donating to Pauls candidacy.

You describe yourself as a racist? Okay.

[quote=AlanC]
Uncle,

As long as you are happy with him. I won't be voting for the man.

Of course you wont. It requires a degree of intelligence and an ability to reason to vote for what is best for ones country and not what is best for ones bigoted, perverted self.

Okay, now this all makes sense. You are saying that since you are a racist, you don’t have the intelligence to vote for what’s best for your country? Thanks, I can appreciate your honesty. It does make things a bit clearer.

qwerty

12-03-2007, 04:53 PM

Not as impressive when you consider only about 10% of blacks vote republican.

According to the article, Obama and Hillary both get about 70% of the vote when faced directly with Paul. Not very good for your argument.

There are a thing called PRIMARIES first, so let´s compare him to other GOP members, ok ?

If he gets the nomination, let´s then compare him to the democract nominee, ok ?

You know things change, Do you remember where Ron was when this campaign started...

I'm trying to point out that he'll work with anyone if they give him money and claim to support his campaign. Most people would be bothered by the thought of getting sizable campaign contributions from prominent racist groups. They certainly would want to clarify that they want nothing to do with such bigots.

Most people, don´t care SHIT about it!

Most people can take a look at the CANDIDATES PLATFORM and vote him if they like it.

Who really cares if White Supremacists donate 0.00001% from the whole donations ? :ecstatic:

Who do you think that the Black Panthers support...Clinton seems to have something to do with La Raza...

You see the world so differently, you see people as groups... White supremacists, blacks, whites, homosexuals etc etc.

AlanC

12-03-2007, 05:01 PM

Qwerty,

You are just not getting it. All politicians need money, lots of it, to get elected. Those groups that you think Ron Paul ignores are necessary to any campaign. If one man sends him $500 they will be recognized by staff, and of course invited to give more. If one man arranges for the candidate to recieve $500,000 by organizing other donars and groups, that man will have access to the candidate themselves and of course be encouraged to find even more money.

At the end of the day, those individuals and groups that produced the most money for the campaign will have access to the candidate and the ability to influence policy or offer advice. They will have the ability to suggest people for appointments and posts. It is the nature of the thing. It is how politics works.

When David Duke tried to run for office as a registered Republican, then President Bush denounced him in the most emphatic of terms stating that the Republican Party did not endorse him, his policies, his beliefs or his presence in the party. Whether its right or wrong, all politicians will be judged by those they associate with and accept support from. Its the way things are.

As to his record, I admire his principled voting record and I admire most of his policy stands. He has offered some very principled bills for consideration, but few if any of them have ever been enacted.

So you need to ask yourself, if he is going to matter, what is he going to do to get his agenda passed? How is he going to get those who have never supported him before to now suddenly pass all these things he is proposing? Who will he select to get this done? Who will his closest policiy advisors be? If you could vote for him, these are things you would need to know before you made that decision.

I admire your passion and I wish you luck.

qwerty

12-03-2007, 05:24 PM

You are just not getting it. All politicians need money, lots of it, to get elected. Those groups that you think Ron Paul ignores are necessary to any campaign. If one man sends him $500 they will be recognized by staff, and of course invited to give more. If one man arranges for the candidate to recieve $500,000 by organizing other donars and groups, that man will have access to the candidate themselves and of course be encouraged to find even more money.

Now, let´s see... HOW MUCH MONEY YOU CAN VERIFY THAT IS COMING FROM WN PEOPLE TO RON PAUL ? :madlaugh:

Let´s talk about the amount of money here for a while...That´s pretty important when you are trying to make such a statement...

How much does the "front-runners" take money from corporations, that´s what you should pay attention on, cause when they accept money from big corporations they will not give you ANY change...

They don´t give money to Ron Paul and it´s a great signal to me!

At the end of the day, those individuals and groups that produced the most money for the campaign will have access to the candidate and the ability to influence policy or offer advice. They will have the ability to suggest people for appointments and posts. It is the nature of the thing. It is how politics works.

nd now you are making a claim that WN gives most money to the campaign... Please, tell us how much WN´s have given to Ron Paul ?

I´m want to know that cause you seem to know it so well.

I would be very suprised if it was more than few thousands...Very powerfull! Ron MUST listen them, are you serious man...

You should take a look at the other candidates if youa re worrying about these things...

When David Duke tried to run for office as a registered Republican, then President Bush denounced him in the most emphatic of terms stating that the Republican Party did not endorse him, his policies, his beliefs or his presence in the party. Whether its right or wrong, all politicians will be judged by those they associate with and accept support from. Its the way things are.

I have said this THOUSAND times...

Ron Paul see us as INDIVIDUALS who should have same rights no matter what you personal belifs are, no matter are you black or white, no matter are you a woman or man.

When other politicians sees people as groups and treats people differently when they belong to other group, it will only make people more divided.

As to his record, I admire his principled voting record and I admire most of his policy stands. He has offered some very principled bills for consideration, but few if any of them have ever been enacted.

True, maybe he would been more succesfull so far if, there was more Ron Paul´s in congress... Maybe the WN people agree with you on this one too, how horrible...;)

So you need to ask yourself, if he is going to matter, what is he going to do to get his agenda passed? How is he going to get those who have never supported him before to now suddenly pass all these things he is proposing? Who will he select to get this done? Who will his closest policiy advisors be? If you could vote for him, these are things you would need to know before you made that decision.

I´m pretty sure that Black Panthers endorse OBAMA.

Clinton seems to have some connection to LA RAZA.

Why aren´t we talking about these things ?

I see it pretty unfair that you claim that Ron will be soon member or KKK when elected, cause he has like few thousands donated from white supremacists...

Why aren´t we talking about the 9.999.000 what he has allready received from other donors, why not ?

Even the Main stream media isn´t paying attention on it, cause they know that it would be only blowback, they tried it when they heard about that 911 truthers supported Ron Paul, They asked RON, "do you believe that 911 was inside job" Ron said, "NO"....

I can provide you a link.

AlanC

12-03-2007, 05:39 PM

now you are making a claim that WN gives most money to the campaign... Please, tell us how much WN´s have given to Ron Paul ?

Read my post again as I never stated that anywhere on this thread. The point that you seemed to miss just about entirely is that ... yes, you need to look at who supports a candidate, any candidate.

It seems we will have to agree to disagree about Ron Paul. There is little point in saying the same things over and over. Have a good day.

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 06:11 PM

There are a thing called PRIMARIES first, so let´s compare him to other GOP members, ok ?

Very few blacks vote in the GOP primaries relative to other races. Only about 1 in 10 vote republican.

Besides, blacks don't even make up 15% of the population.

If he gets the nomination, let´s then compare him to the democract nominee, ok ?

Your poll compared him and he lost in a landslide with 70% going to the democrats.

You know things change, Do you remember where Ron was when this campaign started...

I don't know, but I hear they've reserved a spot for him down on the funny farm for when he loses.

qwerty

12-03-2007, 06:53 PM

Read my post again as I never stated that anywhere on this thread. The point that you seemed to miss just about entirely is that ...

You are trying to say that WN play a big role in RP´s donations which is total BS, you know it yourself.

We are talking about few thousands here...That kind of money doesn´t have any influence on anything...

yes, you need to look at who supports a candidate, any candidate.

LOL, how can a candidate choose his supporters ?

That´s logic is pure maddness!

Thank god most people don´t think like that, it would be too easy to defame all the candidates...

It seems we will have to agree to disagree about Ron Paul. There is little point in saying the same things over and over. Have a good day.

True, but you left awful many questions un-answered...[hr]Very few blacks vote in the GOP primaries relative to other races. Only about 1 in 10 vote republican.

Besides, blacks don't even make up 15% of the population.

First, it´s fine when the 1 in 10 vote for Ron...

That other thing is totally irrelevant, cause we are talking here how these "neo-nazi connection" (OMG) are influencing on Ron Paul´s support among black people...

Your poll compared him and he lost in a landslide with 70% going to the democrats.

You didn´t read the headline of the link ?

I can provide you polls which compares Ron and Hillary...

"I don't know, but I hear they've reserved a spot for him down on the funny farm for when he loses."

You know, i sometimes lost my faith on democracy when i see that people like you can also vote...

BTW, who do you support ?

Elrathin

12-03-2007, 06:59 PM

We are talking about few thousands here...That kind of money doesn´t have any influence on anything...

If it is not that much, what harm is it for Ron Paul to return it then? Not only does he send the message then that he does not condone the KKK, but he will not accept money from them.

Sounds like a win-win situation to me, unless of course the amounts are significant. Which is it?

qwerty

12-03-2007, 07:18 PM

If it is not that much, what harm is it for Ron Paul to return it then? Not only does he send the message then that he does not condone the KKK, but he will not accept money from them.

Sounds like a win-win situation to me, unless of course the amounts are significant. Which is it?

First i don´t know the amount, but i don´t really think it´s influencial when he has allready raised over 10 million in this quarter ?

What he would win ?

He has a official statement on his web-site about racism, what else he needs to do ?

Ron Paul see us as INDIVIDUALS who should have same rights no matter what you personal belifs are, no matter are you black or white, no matter are you a woman or man.

When other politicians sees people as groups and treats people differently when they belong to other group, it will only make people more divided.

AlonzoMourning23

12-03-2007, 07:34 PM

First, it´s fine when the 1 in 10 vote for Ron...

That other thing is totally irrelevant, cause we are talking here how these "neo-nazi connection" (OMG) are influencing on Ron Paul´s support among black people...

No we weren't. At least I wasn't.

You didn´t read the headline of the link ?

I can provide you polls which compares Ron and Hillary...

The poll you provided did that, Ron lost 70 to 30.

You know, i sometimes lost my faith on democracy when i see that people like you can also vote...

:madlaugh:

So Mr. JimBob Redneck, the Grand Wizard of the Inbred Heights, Alabama chapter of the KKK, if he voted then you're fine with that. But my voting makes you lose faith in democracy. Ok.......:dizzy:

BTW, who do you support ?

Hillary Clinton.

qwerty

12-04-2007, 01:21 AM

No we weren't. At least I wasn't.

I thought it was the whole purpose of the thread...Talking about these "connections" (LOL) and how they affect to his campaign... :rolleyes:

The poll you provided did that, Ron lost 70 to 30.

Take a look at this one,

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/articles/ron-paul-general-election-vs-hillary-clinton.html

It´s from October....

So Mr. JimBob Redneck, the Grand Wizard of the Inbred Heights, Alabama chapter of the KKK, if he voted then you're fine with that. But my voting makes you lose faith in democracy. Ok......

You are not the only one who makes me lost my faith on Democracy ? Did i say so..?

Hillary Clinton.

All i can say, OMG.... :clapper:

How i didn´t know... You should first take a look at your own candidate... :rolleyes:

I still can´t stop laughing to she´s big time FLIP-FLOPS on the debates, for example in IRAQ-issue. :clapper:

Google, hillary clinton+la raza , take a look at that first and then come back to arguw with me about Ron Paul´s "connections".

Omg, what a HYPOCRITE you are! Supporting probably the most corrupted candidate and have guts come here to attack against the most honest one(according his voting record)...

You just lost your last credibility...Sorry....

AlonzoMourning23

12-04-2007, 02:27 AM

I thought it was the whole purpose of the thread...Talking about these "connections" (LOL) and how they affect to his campaign... Rolleyes

He doesn't have a credible campaign. It's a sideshow backed largely by the laziest, least likely to vote population out there, college kids. It has no shot, he's just a curiosity.

But the topic is about his integrity, his morals, and his honesty. Which of those three depends on his reasons for not denouncing these donors.

Take a look at this one,

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/art...inton.html

It´s from October....

I have no idea how it was calculated. But Hillary is a known commodity, Paul isn't. The "anybody but hillary" crowd is just that. There aren't many in the "anybody but ron" crowd.

I still can´t stop laughing to she´s big time FLIP-FLOPS on the debates, for example in IRAQ-issue.

And she's the least likely of the Democrats to try to made a quick withdrawal from Iraq.

Google, hillary clinton+la raza , take a look at that first and then come back to arguw with me about Ron Paul´s "connections".

She supports a Latino civil rights group. That BITCH! Who the hell does she think she is, trying to tell us that Latino's are people.

Omg, what a HYPOCRITE you are! Supporting probably the most corrupted candidate and have guts come here to attack against the most honest one(according his voting record)...

If you want to see the biggest liar and flip flopper take a look at Romney. But, whatever. I'd take 50% honest over 100% crackpot any day. Much harder to clean up after the second one.

You just lost your last credibility...Sorry....

Do you think I care? Really? Do you?

davo

12-04-2007, 05:24 AM

Google, hillary clinton+la raza , take a look at that first and then come back to arguw with me about Ron Paul´s "connections".

She supports a Latino civil rights group. That BITCH! Who the hell does she think she is, trying to tell us that Latino's are people.

Just why are you okay with a Latino "civil rights" group, but not any "pro-white" group? For me, I'm okay with both participating in the political process. You obviously have a problem with it though.

***Note: I just might add I consider latinos of Spanish, Portugese or other European descent to be "white" as well.

qwerty

12-04-2007, 04:03 PM

He doesn't have a credible campaign. It's a sideshow backed largely by the laziest, least likely to vote population out there, college kids. It has no shot, he's just a curiosity.

Save that bullshit for someone else.

We both know that he has a chance no matter how much you hate him.

I think he will raise 15-20 million in this quarter, pretty good for a candidate who has no chance. Now he´s at 10.5 million...

But the topic is about his integrity, his morals, and his honesty. Which of those three depends on his reasons for not denouncing these donors.

Actually he is being HONEST, he advocates INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM!

See, your kind neo-cons just want to have different groups with different rights, but that ain´t AMERICA!

I have no idea how it was calculated. But Hillary is a known commodity, Paul isn't. The "anybody but hillary" crowd is just that. There aren't many in the "anybody but ron" crowd.

If you don´t understand that, i can provise you another ?

I can continue as long as you want to ?

Your bullshit doesn´t take away the fact that Ron has a great chance against Hillary...

And she's the least likely of the Democrats to try to made a quick withdrawal from Iraq.

She takes BOTH SIDES ON IRAQ, TAKE A LOOK YOURSELF,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo&eurl=

She supports a Latino civil rights group. That BITCH! Who the hell does she think she is, trying to tell us that Latino's are people.

What´s the difference between White Nationalist or Mexican Nationalist ?

You should take a look at LA RAZA closer...

:rolleyes:

If you want to see the biggest liar and flip flopper take a look at Romney. But, whatever. I'd take 50% honest over 100% crackpot any day. Much harder to clean up after the second one.

I agree but your candidate does it well too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTRh1m-BuMs&eurl=

Did you know about this ?

http://democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=9241

NOW I ASK YOU TO POST SAME KIND OF STUFF ABOUT RON PAUL ?

LET´S SEE WHAT KIND OF HYPOCRITE YOU ARE, SUPPORTING HILLARY AND SAYING THAT RON ISN´T HONEST...

Do you think I care? Really? Do you?

No, but i care about America!

AnnEsthesia

12-04-2007, 10:03 PM

AlonzoMourning23

12-04-2007, 10:40 PM

qwerty, you need to calm down and stop getting so pissed off. This is a discussion forum and Ron Paul is not above criticism and discussion. I think you are getting way too upset and you are making a lot of personal comments that do not need to be made. This is a politician, not your father, so no need to take the comments personally.

Now everyone, take a deep breath. The tension in this thread is ridiculous.

I'd listen to anne qwerty. You throw out this many insults to anyone but me and all those posts would have been sent to fools paradise.

He doesn't have a credible campaign. It's a sideshow backed largely by the laziest, least likely to vote population out there, college kids. It has no shot, he's just a curiosity.

Save that bullshit for someone else.

We both know that he has a chance no matter how much you hate him.

I think he will raise 15-20 million in this quarter, pretty good for a candidate who has no chance. Now he´s at 10.5 million...

Qwerty, maybe this is due to you not being American, but most of his most ardent supporters IN THE U.S. realize he has no shot at winning.

Actually he is being HONEST, he advocates INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM!

See, your kind neo-cons just want to have different groups with different rights, but that ain´t AMERICA!

And his morals allow taking the support of hate groups and racists. He's shown that he has no qualms with working with all sorts of scum.

Your bullshit doesn´t take away the fact that Ron has a great chance against Hillary...

:madlaugh:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7345/tinfoilhatrj9.jpg

Foil hat man wants to know what would make you think a crazy thing like that.

She takes BOTH SIDES ON IRAQ, TAKE A LOOK YOURSELF,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo&eurl=

So she's advocating ending the war itself but keeping some troops there for strategic purposes, but not to continue engaging in a war. More like peace keepers.

And because something makes sense doesn't mean you necessarily agree. I think a lot of things make sense even if I don't support them.

What´s the difference between White Nationalist or Mexican Nationalist ?

You should take a look at LA RAZA closer...

:rolleyes:

Bit of a difference between advocating equal rights and advocating that whites are better than everyone else.

I agree but your candidate does it well too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggO5yY7RAo&eurl=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTRh1m-BuMs&eurl=

Did you know about this ?

http://democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=9241

Did you hear the one about Clinton having dozens of people killed? PM nevadamedic to learn more.

NOW I ASK YOU TO POST SAME KIND OF STUFF ABOUT RON PAUL ?

I already said I'd take 50% liar over 100% crackpot. Honestly I'm hoping that hillary is as liberal as her past indicates, which be definition means she's not being 100% straightforward at this point.

Besides, I asked you many times to show me a reason to vote for paul, and you never show me a single end result that I'd support. The world is filled with honest crackpots and screwups. Hell, the paranoid schizophrenic at the local hospital may be the most honest man you'll ever meet, though I hope you wouldn't vote for him.

LET´S SEE WHAT KIND OF HYPOCRITE YOU ARE, SUPPORTING HILLARY AND SAYING THAT RON ISN´T HONEST...

Rons gneerally honest. He's also crazy and content to work with racists. He hasn't said or done anything to the contrary.

No, but i care about America!

That's why I say vote for someone competent and someone who will leave the country in a better spot than it was before their term. Hillary is very liberal, a strong supporter of civil rights and the environment, opposes a complete withdrawal from Iraq, is the most likely democrat to win, and the one who knows how to get the most things done.

Buck Laser

12-05-2007, 12:19 AM

Zo, thanks for a much-needed response to the Ron Paul hype that's going on. It's very much like the Ross Perot fever back in 1992, which is why a lot of people who remember those days will be very cautious about Paul's practical chances.

I find some of the things he's saying very appealing, much in the same way that Jesse Jackson made some extremely valid points during his candidacy. What Jackson and Paul have to say needs to be heard clearly by the majority, and taken into account. But pragmatically speaking, none of the people on the fringes have any real chance to be elected.

qwerty

12-05-2007, 01:12 AM

AnnEsthesia

12-05-2007, 01:15 AM

Candidates have a responsibility to know who they are taking money from. Look at what happened with Clinton taking money from someone who was shady. Why should Ron Paul be above criticism? He should refuse to take money from known violent and hate groups. If he does not, he will be tarnished by that fact. If that is wrong to you, oh well. :)

qwerty

12-05-2007, 01:08 PM

I'd listen to anne qwerty. You throw out this many insults to anyone but me and all those posts would have been sent to fools paradise.

I think your accusations against Ron are in the fool paradise ALL THE WAY!

Even MSM wouldn´t make such a claim about RON...

And you don´t insult anyone here, of course. You are insulting for example me for claiming that Ron Paul is white supremacist, without ANY proof...You started this one...

Qwerty, maybe this is due to you not being American, but most of his most ardent supporters IN THE U.S. realize he has no shot at winning.

Of course you say that, but i will tell you that IN EVERY DEBATE someone is trying to attack him, they attack front-runners that´s for sure.

Why don´t you save that BS to yourself and wait for elections ?

And his morals allow taking the support of hate groups and racists. He's shown that he has no qualms with working with all sorts of scum.

How does he work with them ?

Donations ALLOW RON TO SPREAD RON PAULS PLATFORM ?

Let´s have some quotes what they say about Ron Paul maybe ?

What kind scum would be found behind Hillary... :ecstatic:

Foil hat man wants to know what would make you think a crazy thing like that.

Hmmmm, cause you are not the only votes out there ? You don´t choose the president yourself ? That makes you in-capable to make such a statement about a candidate who have out-raised other GOP candidates and whos poll numbers are raising...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/opinion/polls/main589167.shtml

Check where Kerry was at this time on 2003!

So she's advocating ending the war itself but keeping some troops there for strategic purposes, but not to continue engaging in a war. More like peace keepers.

And because something makes sense doesn't mean you necessarily agree. I think a lot of things make sense even if I don't support them.

Hillary is very good on taking the BOTH SIDES on the issues!

Bit of a difference between advocating equal rights and advocating that whites are better than everyone else.

WTF ? :clapper:

So White nationalism is racism and Mexican Nationalist is not ?

I see, it must be the difference on skin colour ? whites can only be racist ?

:ponder:

I already said I'd take 50% liar over 100% crackpot. Honestly I'm hoping that hillary is as liberal as her past indicates, which be definition means she's not being 100% straightforward at this point.

Besides, I asked you many times to show me a reason to vote for paul, and you never show me a single end result that I'd support. The world is filled with honest crackpots and screwups. Hell, the paranoid schizophrenic at the local hospital may be the most honest man you'll ever meet, though I hope you wouldn't vote for him.

I really can tell you things why to support him, but i only start with the most important one.

He understands that you´re going BROKE, you can´t afford what you are currently doing anymore. Dollar is going down all the time and your your ecomony will crash when China stops borrowing money to USA.

Second important thing is that he acvocates INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, you must see that they are taking away your freedoms all the time, patriot act and now some "home-grown terrorist law" or something like that. I found those things very disturbing...

Rons gneerally honest. He's also crazy and content to work with racists. He hasn't said or done anything to the contrary.

How does he work with them ?

That's why I say vote for someone competent and someone who will leave the country in a better spot than it was before their term. Hillary is very liberal, a strong supporter of civil rights and the environment, opposes a complete withdrawal from Iraq, is the most likely democrat to win, and the one who knows how to get the most things done.

Are you serious ? You just said she was 50 % liar, so how can you know even about those things ? Are you a flip-flopper ?

She´s a neo-con which will probably take you next to Iran and will bankrupt your country.

It seems that you will only wake up when your economy is totally crashed...[hr]Candidates have a responsibility to know who they are taking money from.

Sorry, but that´s impossible...

Why should Ron Paul be above criticism?

No...

He should refuse to take money from known violent and hate groups. If he does not, he will be tarnished by that fact. If that is wrong to you, oh well. Smile

Let´s see, here´s why you disagree with Ron in this issue. You see people as groups, you say if you are white nationalist (or whatever) you are part of the group which is violent etc etc, but that´s not true. Having an ideology doesn´t make you a criminal, that´s part of the invidual freedoms...

What Ron sees is INDIVIDUALS, not whites/blacks/racist/woman/men, but inviduals who should share same invidual freedoms. I think that´s the only way to STOP racism, people must see each other as individuals not as groups.When people see each other as groups people will form groups that protects their own groups, like white nationalists/black panthers/La Raza etc etc.

Really, what´s the difference between a donation made by a black man or a donation made by White Nationalist ?

Both allows RON PAUL to promote RON PAULS platform and both people must agree with RON PAULS platform...Where´s the difference ?

People who try defame Ron Paul see this, that´s why they are trying to spread lies that "Ron works with white nationalists" without ANY proof.

You know, freedom is popular and it brings people together no matter of their personal ideologies...And that´s what MSM scares, cause a candidate who can do that will win!

AnnEsthesia

12-05-2007, 03:55 PM

Let´s see, here´s why you disagree with Ron in this issue. You see people as groups, you say if you are white nationalist (or whatever) you are part of the group which is violent etc etc, but that´s not true. Having an ideology doesn´t make you a criminal, that´s part of the invidual freedoms...

What Ron sees is INDIVIDUALS, not whites/blacks/racist/woman/men, but inviduals who should share same invidual freedoms. I think that´s the only way to STOP racism, people must see each other as individuals not as groups.When people see each other as groups people will form groups that protects their own groups, like white nationalists/black panthers/La Raza etc etc.

Really, what´s the difference between a donation made by a black man or a donation made by White Nationalist ?

Both allows RON PAUL to promote RON PAULS platform and both people must agree with RON PAULS platform...Where´s the difference ?

People who try defame Ron Paul see this, that´s why they are trying to spread lies that "Ron works with white nationalists" without ANY proof.

You know, freedom is popular and it brings people together no matter of their personal ideologies...And that´s what MSM scares, cause a candidate who can do that will win!

Yea, thanks for telling me what I think. You are wrong, but why should that stop you. Sorry, but if you take money from the KKK, you are tainted by that. You can claim that KKK members are just peaceful people, but that is wrong. They have a long history of violence and if you choose to ignore that, that is your own issue, not mine.

There is a difference between an individual making a donation and stormfront leading the charge and actively supporting him. So yes, I do see individuals, but I also see an organization. It is far from wrong for me to see them that way since.. gee.. they ARE an organization.

And you know what? If Ron Paul is such a strong candidate, you would be able to get his message out there without the need to be a bully, rude and nasty. You are just turning people off to him since, quite honestly, why would I want to support a candidate who cannot answer criticism without all the BS?

PatrickHenry

12-05-2007, 04:38 PM

Sorry, but if you take money from the KKK, you are tainted by that.
I didn't see that the Klan had given Paul contributions.

David Duke is all right.

Stormfront is over the top.

National Vanguard has been disbanded.

For all you liberals who are so shocked, I have two words...Robert Byrd.

Racism will always be an issue with people of Rep. Paul's generation. It's subconscious.

But White Pride isn't racism unless you are willing to label all others who proudly walk in their heritage as racists.

AnnEsthesia

12-05-2007, 05:32 PM

KKK was an example, PH. stormfront is not a pacifist organization, unless there are two groups out there.

There is nothing wrong with being proud. When you try to suppress people in order to be 'proud', then there is a problem.

qwerty

12-05-2007, 05:50 PM

Yea, thanks for telling me what I think. You are wrong, but why should that stop you. Sorry, but if you take money from the KKK, you are tainted by that. You can claim that KKK members are just peaceful people, but that is wrong. They have a long history of violence and if you choose to ignore that, that is your own issue, not mine.

What has KKK to do with Ron Paul ?

And when you talked about their violence, so have David Duke or Don Black (two confirmed donors) committed any violent crime ? I didn´t find anything on them, so you are being pretty unfair there too...You talk about groups, i talk about individuals...

Why you talk about KKK and Ron Paul in a same sentence since they have nothing common ?

I´m not here defending KKK or any white nationalist, i´m here to defend Ron Paul...So don´t claim anything about me please...

There is a difference between an individual making a donation and stormfront leading the charge and actively supporting him.

I did some research and you´re DEAD WRONG here, STORMFRONT ISN`T ORGANISATION...IT`S A DISCUSSION BOARD OWNED BY ONE GUY... IS DEMOCRACY FORUMS AN ORGANISATION TO YOU ?

So yes, I do see individuals, but I also see an organization. It is far from wrong for me to see them that way since.. gee.. they ARE an organization.

LOL, stormfront ISN`T ORGANISATION...It´s a discussion forum...

Please, could you jsut stop these pointless attacks ? :rolleyes:

And you know what? If Ron Paul is such a strong candidate, you would be able to get his message out there without the need to be a bully, rude and nasty. You are just turning people off to him since, quite honestly, why would I want to support a candidate who cannot answer criticism without all the BS?

Hey, i didn´t start this one...Somebody else throw out these low attacks on Ron Paul. I MEAN LOW, and what makes it even lower is that a HILLARY CLINTON-supporter make these claims.

There is huge difference between critisism and throwing out attacks and i won´t pay any respect for people who are just trying to defame not to have conversation. Hypocricy is what i hate.

You should see that i can only make my mind about these post you make here and i won´t pay any respect for people who are just trying to defame. It´s pretty obvious that topic-starter would NEVER EVER vote for Ron Paul, if he would consider, he wouldn´t make such a under-rated statements...

i don´t mean to be rude, i just say what i think...

BTW, I DID SOME RESEARCH ON STORMFRONT AN I DIDN´T FIND EVEN ONE POST WHICH CLAIMED THAT RON WAS ONE THEM...NOT A SINGLE ONE, SO IF THEY REALISIZE THAT, HOW IT COULD BE SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT ?

PatrickHenry

12-05-2007, 05:53 PM

I find Stormfront distasteful.

Racism sucks.

I disagree with white separatism.

And Jewish separatism.

And black separatism.

Campaign contributions are an issue, but a much bigger issue is: what are we gonna do with this out-of-control government...

AnnEsthesia

12-05-2007, 06:14 PM

qwerty, you clearly have no interest in debating. Your only interest is forcing everyone to say how wonderful Ron Paul is and in trying to attack anyone who has anything less that glowing to say about him. It is supporters such as yourself that give him such a bad smell, even beyond his own actions. Perhaps you should think about what you are doing here and how you are representing yourself and the candidate you admire so much.

Really, if you are an indication of Ron Paul supporters... no thanks. Even if I found him interesting or believed any of what he said, I would be turned off by your attitude.[hr]
I find Stormfront distasteful.

Racism sucks.

I disagree with white separatism.

And Jewish separatism.

And black separatism.

Campaign contributions are an issue, but a much bigger issue is: what are we gonna do with this out-of-control government...

And I agree with you. Pride in one's heritage is admirable. Separatism is not.

qwerty

12-05-2007, 06:32 PM

qwerty, you clearly have no interest in debating.

:ponder:

When we stay on facts, i will debate ANY TIME. Before that i must correct any mistake you do...

You are claiming that Stormfront is organisation etc etc...

I´m sorry but you´re wrong...

How can we have a conversation when you don´t answer my questions...

Your only interest is forcing everyone to say how wonderful Ron Paul is and in trying to attack anyone who has anything less that glowing to say about him.

My only intrest is to defend Ron against these low attacks.

I don´t have force anyone, trust me there are several people who sees that,

- Ron has been talking about same things all the time( we are talking about honesty here)

- you can allways tell where he stands

-he is the only candidate who sees the dollar crisis out there and talking about it.

-he is only one who´s talking about individual freedom, making america more equal

etc etc etc, the list could continue forever...Believe me, i dont´have force anyone...

It is supporters such as yourself that give him such a bad smell, even beyond his own actions. Perhaps you should think about what you are doing here and how you are representing yourself and the candidate you admire so much.

I really don´t see why we talk about me here at Ron Paul sub-forum ?

I´m his supporter living in Europe...whatever...

Really, if you are an indication of Ron Paul supporters... no thanks. Even if I found him interesting or believed any of what he said, I would be turned off by your attitude.

If you choose your candidate like that i can´t help, i usually take a look at his issues.

And remember that you are now talking with an european guy with bad english.

And trust me i would react like this if the attack wouldn´t be so LOW!

:love:

AlonzoMourning23

12-05-2007, 08:04 PM

What has KKK to do with Ron Paul ?

David Duke is a former leader of a KKK organization. He tried to increase the klans respectability but has since gone on to form his own racist organizations.

I think your accusations against Ron are in the fool paradise ALL THE WAY!

Do you know even know what we use fools paradise for? It's for personal attacks and off topic posts.

Even MSM wouldn´t make such a claim about RON...

Here's a MSM article: http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A36863

And you don´t insult anyone here, of course. You are insulting for example me for claiming that Ron Paul is white supremacist, without ANY proof...You started this one...

Qwerty I thought you already knew, but apparently you don't. I really hate to be the one to tell you this but you're not Ron Paul. I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but one day you'll thank me.

Of course you say that, but i will tell you that IN EVERY DEBATE someone is trying to attack him, they attack front-runners that´s for sure.

Why don´t you save that BS to yourself and wait for elections ?

Oh god how I wish you'd bet me that Ron Paul won't win the Republican nomination.

Hmmmm, cause you are not the only votes out there ? You don´t choose the president yourself ? That makes you in-capable to make such a statement about a candidate who have out-raised other GOP candidates and whos poll numbers are raising...

I'm not even sure what that means.

Check where Kerry was at this time on 2003!

Check were Nader was at this time in 03. Fringe extremists like Paul and Nader are very different than mainstream, entrenched politicians like Kerry.

WTF ? :clapper:

So White nationalism is racism and Mexican Nationalist is not ?

I see, it must be the difference on skin colour ? whites can only be racist ?

:ponder:

So Mexican Nationalists advocating equal rights is on the same level as racist pro white organizations that view themselves as superior to everyone else? And since when did Latino civil rights equal mexican nationalist?

I really can tell you things why to support him, but i only start with the most important one.

He understands that you´re going BROKE, you can´t afford what you are currently doing anymore. Dollar is going down all the time and your your ecomony will crash when China stops borrowing money to USA.

That's a bit extreme, but practically all candidates realize there's an issue. The difference being that Paul would destroy any and all safeguards and regulations if he had the opportunity.

Second important thing is that he acvocates INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS, you must see that they are taking away your freedoms all the time, patriot act and now some "home-grown terrorist law" or something like that. I found those things very disturbing...

Wow, in the last few years homosexuals have got the right to marry and many more people have health insurance in my state. Paul would do away with those things if he could, especially with his bill he introduced to deny the courts the right to rule on certain issues of civil rights such as marriage.

How does he work with them ?

When someone helps you fund your campaign then you are, even if indirectly, working with them.

Are you serious ? You just said she was 50 % liar, so how can you know even about those things ? Are you a flip-flopper ?

I said even if she was a 50% liar. You honestly think I'm going to vote for someone who has ideals but no solid solutions, and the methods he advocates, when he does advocate them, are polar opposites to what I think should be done?

Besides, Hillary has a history of being much more liberal. Even now she's a good candidate, but if anything she'll likely be more liberal than she lets on and she seems to possess the ability to accomplish what she wants as she's an excellent politician.

She´s a neo-con which will probably take you next to Iran and will bankrupt your country.

Do you even know what a neo-con is?

Sorry, but that´s impossible...

How is it impossible? Are you saying Paul is so ignorant that he doesn't know he's receiving money from racist organizations when he is told he's receiving money from racist organizations? Even I don't think Paul is that detached from reality.

What Ron sees is INDIVIDUALS, not whites/blacks/racist/woman/men, but inviduals who should share same invidual freedoms. I think that´s the only way to STOP racism, people must see each other as individuals not as groups.When people see each other as groups people will form groups that protects their own groups, like white nationalists/black panthers/La Raza etc etc.

So giving people the right not to hire someone because they're black is a way to stop racism? After all, that's one of the so called freedoms Paul advocates. Last time I checked freedom isn't something that only the government can restrict.

Really, what´s the difference between a donation made by a black man or a donation made by White Nationalist ?

Well, a white nationalist, or racist trash as I call them, advocates the superiority of whites. Black man tells me nothing more about the person than if I were to say a donation by a white man. Most likely the white man is not part of such a reprehensible organization, and does not support their views.

qwerty

12-05-2007, 08:38 PM

David Duke is a former leader of a KKK organization. He tried to increase the klans respectability but has since gone on to form his own racist organizations.

So he´s FORMER leader, so where´s the connection ?

:ponder:

Here's a MSM article: http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/gyrob...id%3A36863

Thanks, his campaign handled it very well !

That wasn´t even close to what you are saying here. So, i´m still waiting...

Qwerty I thought you already knew, but apparently you don't. I really hate to be the one to tell you this but you're not Ron Paul. I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but one day you'll thank me.

Hmmmm, i know my english sucks, since it´s not my first language.

But i still i could understand that sentence also this way.

You are insulting me, cause you are claiming these things about him, things which i don´t support. You are saying that i support a racist candidate and i take it as an insult.

I'm not even sure what that means.

That means that, you have ONLY ONE vote, so you should only talk about your vote.

Check were Nader was at this time in 03. Fringe extremists like Paul and Nader are very different than mainstream, entrenched politicians like Kerry.

Check the time, you failed in IRAQ, your economy is crashing and here you have man who has been talking about these things long before these things happened...That´s pretty scary indeed...

So Mexican Nationalists advocating equal rights is on the same level as racist pro white organizations that view themselves as superior to everyone else? And since when did Latino civil rights equal mexican nationalist?

LA RAZA = "The Race"

It is used to denote the people of Latin America and the Hispanic world, who share the cultural and political legacies of Spanish colonialism, including the Spanish language and culture. The term La Raza is mostly used by patriotic Mexicans and Mexican Americans. The term may also refer to a racial significance associated with mestizo (mixed race).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Raza

Sounds pretty familiar...You really have pretty biased view about these groups.

Racist Mexican Gangs "Ethnic Cleansing" Blacks In L.A.

Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren't even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm

Only white can be racist ?

That's a bit extreme, but practically all candidates realize there's an issue. The difference being that Paul would destroy any and all safeguards and regulations if he had the opportunity.

Do you want to see a video, where monetary people say taht Ron Paul is the only one who understands and talks about this issue ? Since you don´t believe my word i need to use some else...

Wow, in the last few years homosexuals have got the right to marry and many more people have health insurance in my state. Paul would do away with those things if he could, especially with his bill he introduced to deny the courts the right to rule on certain issues of civil rights such as marriage.

I think he belives that it should be states issue and that´s VERY vice!

You can´t choose from Washington what best for ALL THE STATES...

Hey, he´s ONLY professional out there when it comes to health care...

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/health-care/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/health-freedom/
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/articles/?tag=Health%20Care

I really hope that you will read something! He´s a professional...

When someone helps you fund your campaign then you are, even if indirectly, working with them.

No, i don´t have agree with him on anything, he gives his money to me that i can spread my platform not else. I don´t have to do anything with him, it wasn´t like he was ASKING HIS donation...

I said even if she was a 50% liar. You honestly think I'm going to vote for someone who has ideals but no solid solutions, and the methods he advocates, when he does advocate them, are polar opposites to what I think should be done?

Besides, Hillary has a history of being much more liberal. Even now she's a good candidate, but if anything she'll likely be more liberal than she lets on and she seems to possess the ability to accomplish what she wants as she's an excellent politician.

I saw that one debate where she flip-flopped on allmost every questions, either she took both sides or other candidates couldn´t know where she stands, even cafferty asked in his show "why can´t hillary give straight answers?" That´s most scary thing i know in a candidate, i don´t know where he/she really stands...

How is it impossible? Are you saying Paul is so ignorant that he doesn't know he's receiving money from racist organizations when he is told he's receiving money from racist organizations? Even I don't think Paul is that detached from reality.

Stormfront isn´t ORGANISATION.....

You jsut don´t have time to track down every supporter and ask them about their personal ideologies...

So giving people the right not to hire someone because they're black is a way to stop racism? After all, that's one of the so called freedoms Paul advocates. Last time I checked freedom isn't something that only the government can restrict.

Could you be more specific ? I don´t know what are you talking about ?

Well, a white nationalist, or racist trash as I call them, advocates the superiority of whites. Black man tells me nothing more about the person than if I were to say a donation by a white man. Most likely the white man is not part of such a reprehensible organization, and does not support their views.

The donors personal belifs are IRRELEVANT, the point is that that a black man and a white nationalist support same man...why is that ? Tell me ?