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preservanation
11-28-2007, 11:24 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11272007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/how_hillary_will_go_negative_793613.htm?page=2
HOW HILLARY WILL GO NEGATIVE Clinton: By Dick Morris
Needs to stress Obama's flaws. November 27, 2007 -- AS her once-formidable lead in national polls dwindles and Barack Obama moves ahead of her in the all-important Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses, Hillary Clinton will likely intensify her negative campaign against her rivals.

The Clintons' political MO has always had a good dose of negative campaigning, especially when the going gets rough. There's no reason to assume that they will alter their game plan now.

I remember Bill's race for re-election as Arkansas governor back in 1990, when he found himself falling behind Hal McCrae, his unknown Democratic primary opponent. After Clinton's 10 years as governor, McCrae's attacks - featuring Daliesque stretched-out clocks tolling the time for him to go - were hitting home. Hillary decided to attend McCrae's next press conference and engage him in a public, impromptu debate about his attacks on her husband. She gave as good as she got - and her foray marked the start of a four-week campaign of negative ads that brought McCrae down.

The Clintons used negative ads and attacks in each gubernatorial campaign - and, of course, in Bill's two races for president.

Until now, the '08 Democratic contest has been a referendum on Hillary: The basic decision facing voters has been: Would you vote for her? The Clintons need to get people thinking about whether they like her rivals any better.

Negative ads would do the trick - but at a price: By attacking an opponent, they'd concede that Hillary isn't inevitable. That would give Obama (or John Edwards, should they decide to aim at him instead) added credibility - and perhaps more access to funding and contributions.

Historically, such considerations have never deterred the Clintons - who are always ones to anticipate their adversaries' strength rather than to belittle it.

How will they do it?

Their favored method of getting out negative material about their foes is to hire private investigators to dig up dirt, which they then release through feeds to friendly journalists.

Consider the Lewinsky scandal. When Linda Tripp got to be a danger, the Clinton people released her Pentagon personnel file to Jane Mayer (then a reporter for The New Yorker). A federal judge later reprimanded two Clinton operatives for this violation, and the government had to pay Tripp more than $600,000 - but the damage was still done.

Meanwhile, Clinton staffer (and Hil- lary favorite) Sidney Blumenthal peddled the line that Monica was a stalker to journalist Christopher Hitchens. And White House operatives told ABC News' Linda Douglas of incoming House Speaker Bob Livingstone's infidelity scandal before it was made public.

In the '92 presidential campaign, the Clintons openly disclosed their use of private detectives to dig up ammunition on women who had accused the presidential candidate of having affairs with them, disclosing that they paid detective Richard Palladino over $100,000 in campaign funds. But, of late, they avoid such embarrassing disclosures by hiding their detective bills in their legal expenses.

The likeliest theme of the Clinton attack will be Obama's inexperience. They'll seek to portray him as naive and way over his head in a world of terrorists and threats. But the risk here is that a woman is normally seen as weakest in the military/national security arena, so Hillary might find it difficult to make the issue work for her.

A better choice might be to argue that her political experience (i.e. in defeating the GOP "attack machine") makes her the better candidate for the November election. With the Democrats anxious for victory, using Obama's politeness and gentility against him could be an effective strategy.

She would, in effect, suggest that he is too nice to beat the Republicans - an accusation she can be confident nobody will ever make about her.

lily
11-28-2007, 03:31 PM
When she starts accusing Obama of secretly having a white love child, wake me up.

With that said.......I'm really keeping a close eye on Obama. So far he has kept up his promise not to run a smear campaign.

ViolaLee
11-28-2007, 04:03 PM
Isn't it funny? They have nothing on Hillary so they have to make up stories about what she is GOING to do and it turns out to be the same thing ALL of them do.

Lame.

AnnEsthesia
11-28-2007, 04:19 PM
Guess it is ok to say what a candidate is *going* to do... just don't try and estimate what the war will cost, etc...

micfranklin
11-28-2007, 04:24 PM
When she starts accusing Obama of secretly having a white love child, wake me up.

With that said.......I'm really keeping a close eye on Obama. So far he has kept up his promise not to run a smear campaign.


For real. He's one of the few politicians who doesn't sink to making commercials for the sole purpose of embarassing others.

preservanation
11-28-2007, 09:44 PM
When she starts accusing Obama of secretly having a white love child, wake me up.

With that said.......I'm really keeping a close eye on Obama. So far he has kept up his promise not to run a smear campaign.


For real. He's one of the few politicians who doesn't sink to making commercials for the sole purpose of embarassing others.
I like Obama and would feel more comfortable about the future of America if he actually won the White House over Hillary.

At least he seems honest and seems to think he has the best interest of America and heart. Unlike Hillary, who has the best interest of Hillary at heart.

Needless to say, I will vote GOP no matter who our nominee is.
Surprise![hr]All this is moot, BTW, Hillary WILL be the Dem nominee.
All you libs better get used to it and start revving up your collective talking points to defend her and defame her opponents on the right...your going to need them.

Scorpion
11-28-2007, 10:02 PM
When she starts accusing Obama of secretly having a white love child, wake me up.

With that said.......I'm really keeping a close eye on Obama. So far he has kept up his promise not to run a smear campaign.


For real. He's one of the few politicians who doesn't sink to making commercials for the sole purpose of embarassing others.
I like Obama and would feel more comfortable about the future of America if he actually won the White House over Hillary.

At least he seems honest and seems to think he has the best interest of America and heart. Unlike Hillary, who has the best interest of Hillary at heart.

Needless to say, I will vote GOP no matter who our nominee is.
Surprise![hr]All this is moot, BTW, Hillary WILL be the Dem nominee.
All you libs better get used to it and start revving up your collective talking points to defend her and defame her opponents on the right...your going to need them.


I think that Obama realizes that the Clintons are masters of the smear campaign and he'll improve his image by having none of it. I'm voting Reublican but if I had to vote for a Democratic candidate given all that's happened to date, my choice would be either Obama or Biden.

preservanation
11-28-2007, 10:13 PM
You got it scorp.
I think Obama's admission to his high school drinking and drug use to a high school crowd was preempting an attack by Hillary Inc which was in the works and coming down the pipe.
smart move.

The Clinton Machine will eventually smash this poor man, Obama, even if he does win Iowa and New Hampshire. This is way too important for her to let some neophyte punk get in her way.
"I'm Hillary, for Christs sake, now get out of my way! I deserve this for putting up with Bill for all these years! it is owed to me!"
Yikes!

Scorpion
11-28-2007, 10:27 PM
You got it scorp.
I think Obama's admission to his high school drinking and drug use to a high school crowd was preempting an attack by Hillary Inc which was in the works and coming down the pipe.
smart move.

The Clinton Machine will eventually smash this poor man, Obama, even if he does win Iowa and New Hampshire. This is way too important for her to let some neophyte punk get in her way.
"I'm Hillary, for Christs sake, now get out of my way! I deserve this for putting up with Bill for all these years! it is owed to me!"
Yikes!


I too agree that Obama's admissions to past indicretions leaves the impression of honesty and integrity. I also agree that the Clinton mafia won't leave any stone unturned to defeat Obama in the primary.

What will be interesting is how women, in particular black women will vote. All the indicators are that Obama is slowly but steadily closing the gap with Clinton for the female vote. He has Oprah's endorsement and active support. Indeed, S. Carolina will be pivotal.

preservanation
11-28-2007, 10:58 PM
Clinton's female vote is her ace in the hole, according to most (including Morris, who knows her strategy better than anyone in the media), and if Obama starts chipping away at that...Hooo BOY!
"Fire all of your guns at once and, explode into space...!"

lily
11-29-2007, 02:08 AM
Needless to say, I will vote GOP no matter who our nominee is.

I'll never understand just voting the party line.

All this is moot, BTW, Hillary WILL be the Dem nominee.
All you libs better get used to it and start revving up your collective talking points to defend her and defame her opponents on the right...your going to need them.

If this happens it's going to feel weird argeeing with you and not arguing with you.:lmao:

She hasn't sold me one bit.......I honestly don't know where her poll numbers are coming from.

Scorpion
11-29-2007, 02:21 AM
Needless to say, I will vote GOP no matter who our nominee is.

I'll never understand just voting the party line.

All this is moot, BTW, Hillary WILL be the Dem nominee.
All you libs better get used to it and start revving up your collective talking points to defend her and defame her opponents on the right...your going to need them.

If this happens it's going to feel weird argeeing with you and not arguing with you.:lmao:

She hasn't sold me one bit.......I honestly don't know where her poll numbers are coming from.


For one, her husband is quite popular among blacks in the Mid-Atlantic states, particularly the Carolinas. He's been successfully stumping for her.

lily
11-29-2007, 02:48 AM
Well.....that's true Scorpion, but not just among blacks in the Mid-Atlantic states, particularly the Carolinas. Like him or not the man has charisma. I also think that people will be voting more for him and his influence than Hillary. Time will tell.