Hillary vs. Obama

[lily]

Oh horsehit..........Novak has lost all credibility. If Hillary had some dirt, she wouldn't hesitate to use it. How desperate of Novak to try and get back in the spotlight. (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23467)

Hillary vs. Obama
by Robert Novak


Agents of Sen. Hillary Clinton are spreading the word in Democratic circles
that she has scandalous information about her principal opponent for the
party's presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, but has decided not to
use it. The nature of the alleged scandal was not disclosed.

This word-of-mouth among Democrats makes Obama look vulnerable and Clinton
look prudent. It comes during a dip for the front-running Clinton after she
refused to take a stand on New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer's now discarded plan
to give driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

Experienced Democratic political operatives believe Clinton wants to avoid a
repetition of 2004, when attacks on each other by presidential candidates
Howard Dean and Richard Gephardt were mutually destructive and facilitated
John Kerry's nomination.

[micfranklin]

If she's got dirt on my man (Obama) then make no mistake, she's gonna use it and if not her someone else and in the end, this would clinch the vote for her and leave Obama in the dust.

[lily]

Mic......I don't trust Novak as far as I could throw him. He wants back in the limelight so bad. He's become the story, instead of the "dirt".If he had the goods, he'd print it. Odd thing is......this worked just the opposite. Obama got a big bump in the polls and last I heard on the news today he's %30 over her %26.

[micfranklin]

Maybe this race isn't lost yet.....

[AlanC]

Robert Novak is a political gossip columnist. He needs to raise this kind of dust up to get anyone to read his tripe.

[Pookie]

I think that any and all political folks like Novak, O'Reilly, Moore, Ann Coulter, etc. follow their own agenda. Aside from views as theirs, it is my opinion that Hillary will not win. The reasons I have given have appeared elsewhere in this forum, but I will say that it is my opinion that we are not ready for a female President. Obama seems a little too experienced, but as far as Hillary goes, I, personally, would not vote for her. The reason? In my own mind, she, too, is quite inexperienced and I do not think that having a female in the White House who is an inexperienced senator who rode on the coattails of President Clinton and subsequently captured a Senate position in New York (which she has very little time there)-- will win at all.
But look at the Democrats they have running. I do not think Hillary will make it. I don't think Obama will, either, because of his inexperience politically.
What will be interesting will be the decision the Democrats make, and how they face against whoever the Republicans choose. Now, that is going to get fun!
Purrs,

[lily]

The reason? In my own mind, she, too, is quite inexperienced and I do not think that having a female in the White House who is an inexperienced senator who rode on the coattails of President Clinton and subsequently captured a Senate position in New York (which she has very little time there)-- will win at all.




Well, that may be Pookie. I would also think if an honest survey was made and they asked the question, do you think you're getting a twofer with Hillary, most would answer yes.....but then I also think that she had a hand in Bill's decisions too.

[ViolaLee]

Novak is a lowlife and an agent for treason. Who cares what this asshole says?

Not me.

[micfranklin]

I never would've suggested that Clinton is inexperienced when it comes to being a senator.

Personal story: A student in my poli sci class tonight asked why everyone was ganging up on Hilary and I responded with what I know: she flip-flops and is too inconsistent with her views. If you can't keep the same opinion going for even two minutes, then people will notice, it's like with wolves: if they smell fear in you they'll exploit it and attack. That, at least IMO is why Hilary won't win the election and even some of the students in my class agree.

[tony mitra]

Here is my own assessment of Hillary.

Whatever her core values might have been (they tell me she was a liberal) I believe she has sacrificed her core values, or is in the process of doing so, in order to satisfy all groups and tow the line for all campaign contributors. I know she made some comments as a Presidential first lady that pissed off the Israel Lobby, including her kissing the wife of Arafat on the cheek. The white house at the time distanced itself from Hillary, making a statement that her views were her alone, and that it did not reflect the views of either the white house, or the president.

Hillary has changed tack considerably since she developed presidential aspirations. While there are many issues of relevance to the American public, the Israel lobby would, if I bet correctly, force whoever gets to be the president, from whichever party, to go in for Iran's jugular, irrespective of the authenticity of the threat posed by Iran. That is why the lobby is now satisfied with her, and will back her financially in her presidential bid.

Also, one would be wise to understand that, even in a bitterly divided senate, over 70 senators will sign in a heartbeat, to defeat any attempt of any president, that does not promote a middle east policy that is partial to Israel. And all presidential aspirants know it, Hillary included.

At the end of the day, perhaps there is not much to chose between them, except of course one is white and a woman and the other is a mix blood that goes for a black man.

Cheers.
:)

[Buck Laser]

I confess to being continually puzzled by the radical hatred Senator Clinton inspires among so many people. I can think of some negative things myself, from her apparent weathervaning to her excessive caution with regard to Iraq. At the same time, I'll support her enthusiastically if she wins the nomination.

But there are people on this forum who swear she's a Marxist. Others "accuse" her of being a lesbian. And some conservatives love to babble on about how fat she is--or they call her ugly. Can anyone deny that this kind of behavior is utter insanity?

For the record (again), I'm an Obama supporter, and I'm tickled pink that he's moving ahead in some polls about the Iowa caucuses. I like his unflappable manner when other candidates try to catch him in contradictions. Doonesbury has been running a funny series on the emails floating around about Obama. Longer time posters will remember that Cheesy Muslim was trying to get some mileage from those canards from the day Obama announced his candidacy.

I s'pose no candidate is really immune from shit-slinging: Kucinich is short, Biden's hair transplants show, Richardson's fat and Hispanic, Edwards had the audacity to run while his wife has cancer, Dodd used to be a womanizer. I haven't heard anything about Gravel. I won't even bother with the crap about the republicans--they can attend to their own shitstorms.

[micfranklin]

Well I'll give you props for supporting Clinton should she win the election 'cause God knows I won't.

[preservanation]

Excerpts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501522_pf.html

In Iowa, Clinton Intensifies Attacks
With Race Close, Obama Stresses His Electability

By Anne E. Kornblut and Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, November 26, 2007; A06



PERRY, Iowa, Nov. 25 -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), her status as the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in jeopardy, stepped up attacks on her closest rival with fewer than six weeks until the first nominating contest.

Just weeks ago, Clinton chastised her opponents for "mudslinging." But she unapologetically pursued her main challenger, Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.), over the weekend, standing by her decision to mock Obama's foreign policy experience and attacking his health-care plan -- part of what her advisers described as a new phase of her campaign that will present voters with a "real choice."

"I think that there are differences among us on issues and on qualifications and on experience -- and voters are going to begin drawing those judgments," Clinton said in response to a question Sunday about whether Democrats should attack one other.
...Obama's campaign continues to voice increasing optimism about its chances in Iowa, seeing growth opportunities for him even among what was expected to be Clinton's core constituency. On Sunday morning in Des Moines, Obama held a health-care forum in which five of the six panelists were women, the heart of the Clinton voter base....Senior strategist Steve Hildebrand, who is organizing Iowa for Obama, said Clinton appeared to be boxed in with caucusgoers, still dominant with retirement-age and lower-income Democrats, but with few areas to advance.

Most glaring, Hildebrand said, was Clinton's 26 percent standing in last week's Washington Post-ABC News poll, particularly because she is so well-known. "She is barely getting one-fourth of the Democratic vote, and that number says more about her candidacy than any other number," Hildebrand said....To expand its Iowa support, the Obama campaign is also targeting the 10 to 15 percent of Iowa Democrats who remain undecided. Hildebrand said he believes Obama is already beginning to make inroads with two core Clinton groups, non-college-educated voters and older voters...."We're picking up a lot more on the ground on electability," Plouffe (Obama CM) said. "What voters are looking at is: Who's got the best chance to win the election . . . and second, who can govern."...The electability question continued to trouble even some committed Clinton supporters. Among them here on Sunday was Colleen Clopton, the Clinton chairwoman for Greene County, who said she worries about what Republicans will do to Clinton if she is the nominee.

As a result, Clopton said she is still debating whether to vote for Biden, who as a white male without the Clinton baggage might be a safer choice, she said.

"I'm so afraid of the Republicans against her," Clopton said....Clinton also appeared to have other persistent problems, particularly with her image as a Washington insider rather than as a fresh face.

At a Clinton event in Sioux City on Saturday, one undecided Democrat, Brenda Oehlerking, 54, a computer technician, said she is leaning toward Obama, because he "is about change."

"I think Obama is a little more exciting," Oehlerking said. She left halfway through the Clinton event.

Advisers to rival campaigns said they have seen signs of panic from the Clinton campaign...

He (Trippi) said he detected a "sense of foreboding" from the Clinton campaign after having failed to gain ground in recent weeks.

The campaigns of all three front-runners predict that as caucus day draws closer, the second-tier candidates will begin to lose support to the top three. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who has consistently polled in fourth place, packed in eight campaign stops on Saturday, four on Sunday and another three scheduled for Monday.

"I feel that Iowans are taking a second look at other candidates like myself because they're getting tired of the Washington media and the pollsters saying the race is over and Senator Clinton is the victor," Richardson said in an interview Sunday. "There's a real undercurrent here of shopping around."