Intolerance of Muslims in UK 'compares to Nazi Germany'

[December]

By Stephanie Kennedy

Muslims in Britain are warning that intolerance in the United Kingdom is reaching dangerous levels and they are drawing parallels with Nazi Germany.

The Muslim Council of Britain says perceptions of Islam are so negative there is now a danger people's minds will be poisoned against Muslims as they were against the Jews in Germany in the 1930s.

Last week the head of MI5 revealed that Britain's security organisations are tracking 2,000 people living in the UK who pose a security threat, and that teenagers aged 15 are being groomed to be suicide bombers.

A day later, the Brown Government unveiled details of its tough new anti-terrorism laws, which double the period of detention without charge to 56 days, allows for questioning suspects after they have been charged and a ban on foreign travel for convicted terrorists.

While it is never openly stated, there is little doubt that the majority of the possible terrorists in the UK are Muslims.

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[Scorpion]

When did Nazi Germany persecute the Muslims?

[December]

When did Nazi Germany persecute the Muslims?


This thread is about UK and not Nazis, goofy.

[Scorpion]

When did Nazi Germany persecute the Muslims?


This thread is about UK and not Nazis, goofy.


Ok, let's try this again.

How can the Muslims in the UK who claim persecution compare their lot to that of the Jews who were persecuted by Nazi Germany? There is no practical measure of comparison.

In light of the fact that many Muslims do not like Jews don't you find it ironic that Muslims want to equate their situation in the UK to the plight of the Jews at the hands of Nazi Germany?

Yer pal,

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[jafar00]

I don't know about others, but since I was subjected to a totally humiliating search and interrogation last time I took the Eurostar to London to visit friends, I try to avoid at all possible visiting my friends in the UK. I invite them to Paris instead as I'm treated like a human being here, not like a prison inmate as seems to be the custom in the UK.

[moses2792796]

@Jafar,

In all fairness you can see why they want to be careful.

[Scorpion]

I don't know about others, but since I was subjected to a totally humiliating search and interrogation last time I took the Eurostar to London to visit friends, I try to avoid at all possible visiting my friends in the UK. I invite them to Paris instead as I'm treated like a human being here, not like a prison inmate as seems to be the custom in the UK.


Having your infrastructure attacked by explosives, your citizens killed and maimed and your country invaded by cells of radical terrorists tends to make the country quite cautious.

It's unfortunate that you feel uncomfortable about visiting the UK but who put you in that position? The terrorists. So why blame the victim for protecting itself.

[moses2792796]

Terrorists are reactionary, not something usually associated with the villian. People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset. It is extremely difficult to fight a war when you are outnumbered and out-equipped to the extent that the muslims are, it's not surprising that they are forced to resort to distasteful tactics, but if you're going to get upset about the murder of civilians, then America and Israel should be the subject of all your hatred.

[Scorpion]

Terrorists are reactionary, not something usually associated with the villian. People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset. It is extremely difficult to fight a war when you are outnumbered and out-equipped to the extent that the muslims are, it's not surprising that they are forced to resort to distasteful tactics, but if you're going to get upset about the murder of civilians, then America and Israel should be the subject of all your hatred.


Who is maiming and killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan with IEDs? Terrorists. Who killed on 9-11? Terrorists. Who killed in London and Madrid? Terrorists. And you have the audacity to suggest that the US and Israel are somehow a greater threat then terrorists.

Terrorists reactionary? That's like saying a bank robber is just reacting the way he does because there's money in the bank. Terrorists are criminal sociopaths who go on the offense to further their fascist agenda cloaked in misguided religious fervor.

People who despise terrorists are victims of propaganda? Perhaps it should be called constructive propaganda. That propaganda espouses the destruction of criminal behavior by the terrorists and a return.

[preservanation]

People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset...or the families of the murdered civilians at the hands of Terrorists.
I doubt those families of the 911 victims have as much empathy for Terrorists as you seem to have.

[jafar00]

@Jafar,

In all fairness you can see why they want to be careful.


Careful of what? What threat do I pose? I've never been in trouble with the police in my life.[hr]

I don't know about others, but since I was subjected to a totally humiliating search and interrogation last time I took the Eurostar to London to visit friends, I try to avoid at all possible visiting my friends in the UK. I invite them to Paris instead as I'm treated like a human being here, not like a prison inmate as seems to be the custom in the UK.


Having your infrastructure attacked by explosives, your citizens killed and maimed and your country invaded by cells of radical terrorists tends to make the country quite cautious.

It's unfortunate that you feel uncomfortable about visiting the UK but who put you in that position? The terrorists. So why blame the victim for protecting itself.


So, why not target the terrorists? I'm not a terrorist, I've never been asssociated with terrorists. I don't even look like a terrorist! So why am I targeted for searches when I go there?

[crimzonsol]

So, why not target the terrorists?

Because these laws are nto about targeting terrorists, its about getting rid of "Undesriables". You know: Muslims, Jews, Gays and Blacks.


I'm not a terrorist, I've never been asssociated with terrorists. I don't even look like a terrorist! So why am I targeted for searches when I go there?

You are not christian.
Just you watch, somehow they will get Jews, Blacks and Gays into those laws.

[Scorpion]

So, why not target the terrorists? I'm not a terrorist, I've never been asssociated with terrorists. I don't even look like a terrorist! So why am I targeted for searches when I go there?


Most terrorists are of middle eastern descent and they don't outwardly identify themselves as terrorists. Persons of middle eastern descent are considered more likely to be a terrorist then, say, someone from Scandanavia or China.

It's unfortunate that you are inconvenienced and feel insulted but such is the effect caused by the actions of terrorists.

[moses2792796]

Terrorists are reactionary, not something usually associated with the villian. People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset. It is extremely difficult to fight a war when you are outnumbered and out-equipped to the extent that the muslims are, it's not surprising that they are forced to resort to distasteful tactics, but if you're going to get upset about the murder of civilians, then America and Israel should be the subject of all your hatred.


Who is maiming and killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan with IEDs? Terrorists. Who killed on 9-11? Terrorists. Who killed in London and Madrid? Terrorists. And you have the audacity to suggest that the US and Israel are somehow a greater threat then terrorists.

Terrorists reactionary? That's like saying a bank robber is just reacting the way he does because there's money in the bank. Terrorists are criminal sociopaths who go on the offense to further their fascist agenda cloaked in misguided religious fervor.

People who despise terrorists are victims of propaganda? Perhaps it should be called constructive propaganda. That propaganda espouses the destruction of criminal behavior by the terrorists and a return.


I'm sure the civilians in Lebanon who's city was bombed into the ground feel the same way.

Terrorists are reacting to the imperialistic western ideology, it has nothing in common with a criminal stealing for personal gain.[hr]
People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset...or the families of the murdered civilians at the hands of Terrorists.
I doubt those families of the 911 victims have as much empathy for Terrorists as you seem to have.


Typical humanism, emotional blather getting in the way of logic. This is a war, people die. The war is not with the American military, it is with America itself, and the materialistic western world. Anyone who participates in western society is involved.

[firefox]

You are not christian.
Just you watch, somehow they will get Jews, Blacks and Gays into those laws.


Na... to stereotypical. It's been done, and the public knows what that looks like (and doesn't like it) Instead, they will need new scapegoats. Muslims work, and I guess homosexuals could too. Why not libertarians too, just for fun?

[jafar00]

So, why not target the terrorists? I'm not a terrorist, I've never been asssociated with terrorists. I don't even look like a terrorist! So why am I targeted for searches when I go there?


Most terrorists are of middle eastern descent and they don't outwardly identify themselves as terrorists. Persons of middle eastern descent are considered more likely to be a terrorist then, say, someone from Scandanavia or China.

It's unfortunate that you are inconvenienced and feel insulted but such is the effect caused by the actions of terrorists.


I'm White, from Australia. I don't fit the racial profile/stereotype

[Truth_and_Power]

I'm White, from Australia. I don't fit the racial profile/stereotype


I would have thought you were middle eastern by looking at the picture you posted of you and your son.. i think it was in the pictures thread. I'm no race-e-ologist or anything, you could probably put a hispanic guy with a scraggly beard in a robe and I'd think he was middle eastern. The point is, you more or less look like a middle eastern person, and that's what they have to go on.

As soon as France starts talking tough about Iran and their nuclear ambitions maybe you guys can get some muslim extremist terrorist attacks in the place you hold dear. Perhaps then you can tell your neighbors about the horrible crime of being inconvenienced when you travel.[hr]


I'm sure the civilians in Lebanon who's city was bombed into the ground feel the same way.

Terrorists are reacting to the imperialistic western ideology, it has nothing in common with a criminal stealing for personal gain

Typical humanism, emotional blather getting in the way of logic. This is a war, people die. The war is not with the American military, it is with America itself, and the materialistic western world. Anyone who participates in western society is involved.


Okay so now you're in support of terrorists because americans have materialistic values? Unless you reject western society completely you deserve to die at the hands of a terrorist bomber?

Well if you feel that way and provide room & board to some iran-funded extremists like some people in lebanon did, don't be surprised when the bombs start dropping around your house. If you want to fight a war with bombs and guns against materialistic values it sounds like you value politics and religion more than human life, but I'm sure you've got a great existential justification for that.

[crimzonsol]

Na... to stereotypical. It's been done, and the public knows what that looks like (and doesn't like it) Instead, they will need new scapegoats. Muslims work, and I guess homosexuals could too. Why not libertarians too, just for fun?

Because nobody is stupid enough to throw a match into a wooden warehouse full of gunpowder while still inside. Better to ignore the people who will protest peacefully and quietly especially if those same people will make your life a living hell if you prevoke them.

[moses2792796]

I'm sure the civilians in Lebanon who's city was bombed into the ground feel the same way.

Terrorists are reacting to the imperialistic western ideology, it has nothing in common with a criminal stealing for personal gain

Typical humanism, emotional blather getting in the way of logic. This is a war, people die. The war is not with the American military, it is with America itself, and the materialistic western world. Anyone who participates in western society is involved.


Okay so now you're in support of terrorists because americans have materialistic values? Unless you reject western society completely you deserve to die at the hands of a terrorist bomber?

Well if you feel that way and provide room & board to some iran-funded extremists like some people in lebanon did, don't be surprised when the bombs start dropping around your house. If you want to fight a war with bombs and guns against materialistic values it sounds like you value politics and religion more than human life, but I'm sure you've got a great existential justification for that.


I suppose you have some logical foundation for valuing human life over the continuing spiritual and physical success of society and the health of natural ecosystems?

[Scorpion]

I suppose you have some logical foundation for valuing human life over the continuing spiritual and physical success of society and the health of natural ecosystems?


Logic would dictate that the spirituality and success of a society would hinge on a deep respect for the value of human life.[hr]


Terrorists are reactionary, not something usually associated with the villian. People who despise terrorists are victims of western propaganda and a western mindset. It is extremely difficult to fight a war when you are outnumbered and out-equipped to the extent that the muslims are, it's not surprising that they are forced to resort to distasteful tactics, but if you're going to get upset about the murder of civilians, then America and Israel should be the subject of all your hatred.


Who is maiming and killing civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan with IEDs? Terrorists. Who killed on 9-11? Terrorists. Who killed in London and Madrid? Terrorists. And you have the audacity to suggest that the US and Israel are somehow a greater threat then terrorists.

Terrorists reactionary? That's like saying a bank robber is just reacting the way he does because there's money in the bank. Terrorists are criminal sociopaths who go on the offense to further their fascist agenda cloaked in misguided religious fervor.

People who despise terrorists are victims of propaganda? Perhaps it should be called constructive propaganda. That propaganda espouses the destruction of criminal behavior by the terrorists and a return.


I'm sure the civilians in Lebanon who's city was bombed into the ground feel the same way.

Terrorists are reacting to the imperialistic western ideology, it has nothing in common with a criminal stealing for personal gain.[hr

It's a shame that so much was destroyed in Lebanon but who started that action? Syrian supported Hezbollah began firing rockets indiscriminately at civilian targets in Israel. Israel responded to protect itself.

Terrorists are criminals, the same as any other criminal.

[moses2792796]

"Logic would dictate that the spirituality and success of a society would hinge on a deep respect for the value of human life."

I'd say it's more spiritual to feel that the entire life process is more important than any of its components. How they contribute to that determines their value.

Terrorists are nothing like criminals, they are fighting for a cause, they are soldiers, whatever the idiot westerners would have you believe.

[Scorpion]

"Logic would dictate that the spirituality and success of a society would hinge on a deep respect for the value of human life."

I'd say it's more spiritual to feel that the entire life process is more important than any of its components. How they contribute to that determines their value.

Terrorists are nothing like criminals, they are fighting for a cause, they are soldiers, whatever the idiot westerners would have you believe.


Terrorists are fascist criminals. They are nothing like soldiers. They kill and maim innocent civilians specifically to spread fear.

[moses2792796]

And American's don't?

I have said before, the war of the terrorists is with the people of America, and how else would they fight a war when they are outnumbered about 1000:1, not to mention ridiculously out-equipped. Call them what you like but they would have to be retarded to fight a straight out military war with America. There's no point fighting a war you can't win, so they do what they have to.

[Scorpion]

And American's don't?

I have said before, the war of the terrorists is with the people of America, and how else would they fight a war when they are outnumbered about 1000:1, not to mention ridiculously out-equipped. Call them what you like but they would have to be retarded to fight a straight out military war with America. There's no point fighting a war you can't win, so they do what they have to.


If the terrorists war is with America then why have they killed in Britain, Spain, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Iraq and Afghanistan?

[moses2792796]

Does the word ally mean anything to you?

The war is against the western world, which America is the heart of.

[Scorpion]

Does the word ally mean anything to you?

The war is against the western world, which America is the heart of.


You originally stated that the terrorists war is with America. Now you're saying that it's with the entire western world. Which is it?

[jafar00]

And American's don't?

I have said before, the war of the terrorists is with the people of America, and how else would they fight a war when they are outnumbered about 1000:1, not to mention ridiculously out-equipped. Call them what you like but they would have to be retarded to fight a straight out military war with America. There's no point fighting a war you can't win, so they do what they have to.


If the terrorists war is with America then why have they killed in Britain, Spain, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Iraq and Afghanistan?


Well in Britain there is a lot of evidence that the secret services were involved in those attacks. False flag?

In Spain, it is ETA separatists who are the main problem

I don't know the details about Indonesia.

Philippines is having separatist troubles among several groups (Muslims, Marxists and communists) and has done for many years.

Iraq didn't have any terrorists until they were invaded unless you include the CIA backed terrorists led by Iyad Allawi.

Afghanistan was also peaceful until the CIA was used to create Al Qaeda to attack the communists.

There are different types of terrorist in the world. You left out Tamil Tigers, KKK, IRA, JDL, Maoists in Nepal, several terrorist groups in Israel, and the various groups like Jundullah and PKK being used by the US to attack Iran. Just to name a few.

Terrorists are attacking everybody. We are all victims, not just one group against the West. Its East vs West, West vs East, East vs East, West vs West.

[Truth_and_Power]

I suppose you have some logical foundation for valuing human life over the continuing spiritual and physical success of society and the health of natural ecosystems?


I have never seen nor heard of an instance where genocide or war has produced a better environment -- spiritual or natural. Logic like the kind you espouse has often produced genocide. We will not increase our respect for god or nature by decreasing our respect for the lives of our own kind.

The surest way to progress to a more sustainable society is to put an end to war and hate, and to develop all parts of the world along a path similar to america's. We have many faults, but if you zoom out a bit you will see that we are becoming more and more environmentally conscious, and developed societies have consistently seen a halting of the population explosion. If the money put toward the war on terror (both sides) had been put into education and green technologies the world would have taken a great step towards peace and harmony. Instead depleted uranium is sprinkled across iraq and much of the rest of the world is close to being drawn into this conflict.[hr]

Does the word ally mean anything to you?

The war is against the western world, which America is the heart of.


You originally stated that the terrorists war is with America. Now you're saying that it's with the entire western world. Which is it?


Witness the shifting sands of an unfounded argument. Moses hates all of western society, ironically using the internet to espouse his views.

[Lasher]

I don't know about others, but since I was subjected to a totally humiliating search and interrogation last time I took the Eurostar to London to visit friends, I try to avoid at all possible visiting my friends in the UK. I invite them to Paris instead as I'm treated like a human being here, not like a prison inmate as seems to be the custom in the UK.


I know what you mean. I was subjected to an abusive stop in Gadledge (sp?) Airport way before 9-11 happened, by two huge thugs claiming to be security. That will curtail my trips to London.

[moses2792796]

I suppose you have some logical foundation for valuing human life over the continuing spiritual and physical success of society and the health of natural ecosystems?


I have never seen nor heard of an instance where genocide or war has produced a better environment -- spiritual or natural. Logic like the kind you espouse has often produced genocide. We will not increase our respect for god or nature by decreasing our respect for the lives of our own kind.

The surest way to progress to a more sustainable society is to put an end to war and hate, and to develop all parts of the world along a path similar to america's. We have many faults, but if you zoom out a bit you will see that we are becoming more and more environmentally conscious, and developed societies have consistently seen a halting of the population explosion. If the money put toward the war on terror (both sides) had been put into education and green technologies the world would have taken a great step towards peace and harmony. Instead depleted uranium is sprinkled across iraq and much of the rest of the world is close to being drawn into this conflict.[hr]

Does the word ally mean anything to you?

The war is against the western world, which America is the heart of.


You originally stated that the terrorists war is with America. Now you're saying that it's with the entire western world. Which is it?


Witness the shifting sands of an unfounded argument. Moses hates all of western society, ironically using the internet to espouse his views.


So if all humans mysteriously died tommorow the environment would be better off?

We don't have to decrease repect for ourselves, just stop assuming we are more important than other parts of the system.

@Scorpion, in many ways, America is the western world, they are the force that keeps it growing.

The internet is a useful tool to access a large amount of people. Nothing better than using the enemy's own technology against them. :)

[Truth_and_Power]

So if all humans mysteriously died tommorow the environment would be better off?


How did you get that from what I said?


We don't have to decrease repect for ourselves, just stop assuming we are more important than other parts of the system.


Oh I thought you wanted to exterminate a bunch of humans because of their materialistic values.


The internet is a useful tool to access a large amount of people. Nothing better than using the enemy's own technology against them. :)


I guess you want all the perks of western society but you still find it in your big heart to hate western society and applaud anything that could lead to its fall. I would say that makes no sense, but that's par for the course with you.

[Scorpion]

And American's don't?

I have said before, the war of the terrorists is with the people of America, and how else would they fight a war when they are outnumbered about 1000:1, not to mention ridiculously out-equipped. Call them what you like but they would have to be retarded to fight a straight out military war with America. There's no point fighting a war you can't win, so they do what they have to.


If the terrorists war is with America then why have they killed in Britain, Spain, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Iraq and Afghanistan?


Well in Britain there is a lot of evidence that the secret services were involved in those attacks. False flag?

In Spain, it is ETA separatists who are the main problem

I don't know the details about Indonesia.

Philippines is having separatist troubles among several groups (Muslims, Marxists and communists) and has done for many years.

Iraq didn't have any terrorists until they were invaded unless you include the CIA backed terrorists led by Iyad Allawi.

Afghanistan was also peaceful until the CIA was used to create Al Qaeda to attack the communists.

There are different types of terrorist in the world. You left out Tamil Tigers, KKK, IRA, JDL, Maoists in Nepal, several terrorist groups in Israel, and the various groups like Jundullah and PKK being used by the US to attack Iran. Just to name a few.

Terrorists are attacking everybody. We are all victims, not just one group against the West. Its East vs West, West vs East, East vs East, West vs West.


Correct jafar. Terrorism is a worldwide problem and not confined to any race, religion or nationality. Indeed, Timothy MacVeigh and Ted Kazinsky were prime examples of homegrown American terrorists. It's the free worlds duty to address the terrorists and neutralize them. Unfortunately, as in any war, there will be collateral damage. That colateral damage is as a direct result of the terrorists initiating hostilities.

[moses2792796]

So if all humans mysteriously died tommorow the environment would be better off?


How did you get that from what I said?


We don't have to decrease repect for ourselves, just stop assuming we are more important than other parts of the system.


Oh I thought you wanted to exterminate a bunch of humans because of their materialistic values.


The internet is a useful tool to access a large amount of people. Nothing better than using the enemy's own technology against them. :)


I guess you want all the perks of western society but you still find it in your big heart to hate western society and applaud anything that could lead to its fall. I would say that makes no sense, but that's par for the course with you.


oh my bad, I meant to say "So if all humans mysteriously died tommorow the environment wouldN'T be better off?"

Now if I want to work against modern society, why on earth would I not use the internet, it's an available tool, there's a difference between trying to effect a change in values and mindlessly saying, western society is bad, therefore I will reject everything from it, even if it is useful, that would be pointless.