What percentage of Americans are anti-American?

[AlonzoMourning23]

The repeated claims of anti-Americanism got me wondering, what percentage of the American population do people believe are anti-american?

[sbannon]

I don't think there's really much true anti-Americanism among the American population. I think there's a real difference of opinions among many on what America is--and should or could be--that often gets confused as anti-American.

It's easy for folks on opposite sides of a debate to each feel that their side is right so that means the other side must be wrong. When it's a political issue then it's also easy to say the side you feel is wrong is anti-American or unpatriotic.

What's harder to do, and truly the American way, is to recognize that those who oppose your views have the free right to do so, regardless of how wrong you may believe their opinions to be; and to be willing to defend their right to have those opposing opinions, not attack them as anti-American.

The freedoms and liberties of America aren't something we the people won or inherited, they're something we must continue to work to maintain each and every day. To quote our President, "It's hard work."

[bobbylien]

Looks like chesswars has voted.

[Mayberry]

There are some truly anti- Americans in this country. Anyone who would burn the flag, those that have been protesting at fallen soldier's funerals, people who subscribe to the "New World Order", far, far left crackpots who can't find ANYTHING good to say about our country or our president......

[AlonzoMourning23]

Mayberry, what did you like about Clinton?

[Mayberry]

Mayberry, what did you like about Clinton? He is a snappy dresser.:D

[rodeojones903]

Mayberry, what did you like about Clinton? He is a snappy dresser.:D



and he could kinda play the sax!

[BoogyMan]

and he could kinda play the sax!



ROFL, He could play the sax, but only just.

[Nathan Brazil]

Given that about 30% of the voters don't vote, we've got 70% of the people voting, and 90% of those vote for either a Republican or a Democrat, and 5% vote for some other leftist gangster, so 95% of 70% is 67%.

67% of the American public is anti-American, at a minimum.

Anyone who thinks a law should be passed to prevent the burning of someone's personal property that poses no threat to others is anti-American, too.

[dsanthony]

The repeated claims of anti-Americanism got me wondering, what percentage of the American population do people believe are anti-american?


You've asked the wrong question. YOu should have asked what percentage of the Democratic/Socilialist intelligentsia (lol) is anti-American. Then the number would have gone up to about 80%.

[lily]

I had to go with the 0-3%. This anti-American bullshit was started when those that opposed the war started to speak out and grew to who ever speaks against this government or this president is anti-American. I can't remember a time in history when a "label" was thrown around so much, except for the McCarthy era. Some people can't get it straight. Those of us that are speaking out, don't hate America.......we just hate what the "Uniter" has done to it.

[Nathan Brazil]

No, the Democrats have been enemies of the state since at least the Vietnam War. Actually, FDR was an enemy of the Constitution, and the tradition in that party has continued ever since. The Republicans have earned the label because they joined the same band.

[lily]

Well.......if you say so, Nathan........it must be true.:rolleyes:

[Nathan Brazil]

It's settled, then. It's always been a toss-up about which president was the worst. FDR, for trashing the Constitution and saddling the country with the world's biggest ponzi scheme, as well as making the Depression worse, or Wilson, for dragging us into WWI for no reason at all, except he wanted to play adventurer, and creating the Federal Reserve and imposing Prohibition on us, as a result of which we got stuck with two boobs, one named JFK, and one Drunken Teddy.

No single Republican ever did as much damage as Wilson and FDR each managed to do.

[lily]

You really are a hoot Nathan! Wilson is the cause of JFK becoming president and Teddy being alcholic.

No single Republican ever did as much damage as Wilson and FDR each managed to do.
......until your boy Bush came into the picture!

[Mayberry]

......until your boy Bush came into the picture! Now commence the Bush bashing. It's always the last resort of a liberal who's failed to prove their point. Look, I'm no Republican, but cut the guy some slack. I doubt you would have done any better were you in Bush's shoes.

[lily]

Mayberry....I was responding to a ridiculous post, I promise that won't happen again. As for cutting Bush some slack......you know I did, when I believed him. Now that the truth is coming out, he's got enough slack in that rope to hang himself all by himself, with no help from me.

[Mayberry]

Now that the truth is coming out And what truth would that be? The "truth" regurgitated every night on Chicken Noodle News? The fact is, there were WMDs found in Iraq, enriched uranium was found in Iraq, Saddam was a pig who needed to be ousted, and we must stay and finish the job we started. Americans aren't quitters.

[lily]

Now that the truth is coming out And what truth would that be? The "truth" regurgitated every night on Chicken Noodle News? The fact is, there were WMDs found in Iraq, enriched uranium was found in Iraq, Saddam was a pig who needed to be ousted, and we must stay and finish the job we started. Americans aren't quitters.


You do know that it's now ok to say there weren't any WMD.......Bush himself admitted it. Now before you pull out that old article where some weapons were found buried, like they were worthwhile or the small amount of uranium.......not enriched, that doesn't amount to a hill of beans, let alone an all out war, don't bother. I'm sure that discussion was already had and de-bunked.

Now for your statement of we must stay and finish the job.....well that's another obvious. Can you show me where I stated otherwise? I can show you where Bush said just 6 weeks ago, there would be a major pullout and yesterday he said just the opposite. But then I'd have to throw in Cheney's we're in the last thoes and Bush's it's the next president's decision........much like the rest of the mess he's created in his time in office and much like the rest of his life........someone's always got to bail the man out.

Shall I go on?

[Nathan Brazil]

You really are a hoot Nathan! Wilson is the cause ofÂ*Â*JFK becoming president and Teddy being alcholic.

No single Republican ever did as much damage as Wilson and FDR each managed to do.
......until your boy Bush came into the picture!


No, I'm quite sure that Teddy was intended to be a drunk from conception. That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

And no, Bush is distinctly minor-league in everything.

[Buck Laser]

You really are a hoot Nathan! Wilson is the cause of JFK becoming president and Teddy being alcholic.

No single Republican ever did as much damage as Wilson and FDR each managed to do.
......until your boy Bush came into the picture!


No, I'm quite sure that Teddy was intended to be a drunk from conception. That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

And no, Bush is distinctly minor-league in everything.

Looks like you got well indoctrinated in your history "education," Nathan.

[kanyon40]

There are a few things going on in this thread. First is the issue of Bush bashing and how deserved it is. I am a hardcore conservative who voted for Bush twice. I don't think he is the best president this country has ever had. But I don't think he is near as bad as the left make him out to be. (The treatment of Bush is 10 times worse than it was on Bill Clinton, and while there are legitimate issues, most of it isn't deserved.) Before I go any deeper on this point, let me say something nice about Clinton to quiet the critics: I was happy with his welfare reform, which cut the rolls of welfare by 50% and (gasp) people didn't die in the streets of hunger. Now, back to Bush. He has done some good and done some bad. But it is undeniable that the democrats and the media have waged an all out war on him, making sure that he isn't a likeable guy. Where he truly comes off weak is that he agrees with too much that is said because he thinks that it will make him more popular, but it only gives them more fire power. But if he were anywhere near as bad as people claim (and this claim started more like 2002) then he would never have gotten re-elected. One of the saddest points is that he is ridiculed as the "uniter" but it is the left who won't accept his hand of kindness. For example, Ted Kennedy writes the education bill, everyone knows it, then he goes out less than a week later and bashes the "Bush" education bill that he authored and that was wayyyy too liberal for us conservatives. When this happens, it proves that the left refuses to accept the middle ground when it is offered (so they are the ones who aren't uniters) and it also serves to piss off the conservative base who thinks that letting Ted Kennedy do anything when the Republicans are in power is asinine.

OK, now that we are past all that mess, on to the real issue. There are truly anti-American people in this country. I didn't vote because I don't think the % is as high as it appears so I have no basis to come up with a figure. But anyone who would blame America for the 9/11 attacks is anti-American. I think it is that simple. Anyone who says that we need to talk to Bin laden and find out what we did to upset him so we can make it right is anti-American. The UN, by and large, is anti-American. Any American who would join Al Qaeda or would join the military (American or their enemy) for the purpose of killing American troops (both have happened) is anti-American. I wouldn't go so far as to say that people who oppose a war are anti-American, but there certainly are some that are. There are others who truly feel that this war is unjust (and though we disagree) I respect their opinions on the issue. So there are clear examples of people who are anti-American. I think it is irresponsible to say that a liberal democrat is anti-American just because they are a liberal democrat (which seems to be the popular way the phrase is used). However, I would go as far as saying that a liberal democrat may well have a mental illness. (Wonders if people will get that he is joking?)

[Nathan Brazil]

Hint to the staunch conservative:

It wasn't Clinton's welfare reform, it was the Republicans. I'd let the Rapist take credit for it, but he'd vetoed two nearly identical bills and he signed the one he did merely because it was June of an election year.

[kanyon40]

I replied to this post, but accidentally sent it as a private message I think so I am going to repost it.

It is a shame, Nathan, that though we agree on so much politically, you make no hesitation to belittle me as some kind of stooge. Yes, I am aware that the "Clinton" welfare reform bill was a republican bill. But Clinton took credit for it. The leftists give him credit for it. Nothing you or I say will convince them otherwise. So I was throwing a bone to those who wouldn't have listened to anything I said without hearing me say something good about Clinton.

[lily]

kanyon40

(The treatment of Bush is 10 times worse than it was on Bill Clinton, and while there are legitimate issues, most of it isn't deserved.)
You know, Kanyon......while I was watching the news this morning, I was thinking to myself........I wish the biggest problem this country had, was a blow job..........man those were the days!
Â*Â*Now, back to Bush.Â*Â*He has done some good and done some bad.Â*Â*But it is undeniable that the democrats and the media have waged an all out war on him, making sure that he isn't a likeable guy.
I don't know where you Republicans come up with this latest, tale of woe. It's the Democrat's fault Bush isn't liked. It's the media's fault Bush isn't liked..........Have you ever stopped and thought, that if it wasn't for Bush doing these things, there wouldn't be any thing to complain about. As I said, we love this country as much as anyone......we just can't stand what is being done to it.

Now, I'm not saying you did...........but the mantra of the Republicans. before the war started was...........well, why don't these people just overthrow this tyrant. After the war started, it was the same thing.....we wouldn't be there, if the citizens of Iraq spoke up and did something about Iraq........yet you and other Republicans expect the citizens of this country to just sit back and not say anything. If you haven't noticed, "Stay the course", is not working.........not that a slogan ever worked, an actual battle plan would have been nice.
Â*Â*Where he truly comes off weak is that he agrees with too much that is said because he thinks that it will make him more popular, but it only gives them more fire power. Â*
Well then........he's not much of a leader, is he? I mean if he's making decisions, just to be popular? I also have to say, the polls don't back up your statement.

But if he were anywhere near as bad as people claim (and this claim started more like 2002) then he would never have gotten re-elected.Â*
He got re-elected on fear.
Â*One of the saddest points is that he is ridiculed as the "uniter" but it is the left who won't accept his hand of kindness.Â*
If he'd stop giving himself these ridulous titles, then we wouldn't have anything to dispute. He's the one that campaigned on he's a uniter, not a divider, yet in all my years, I've never seen a country more divided.

But anyone who would blame America for the 9/11 attacks is anti-American.Â*Â*I think it is that simple.
All out blame for the 911 attacks, no. Totally ignoring and then going on vacation, after being told, and not taking the time to read a PDB stating Bin Laden plans attack...........um........that one I'll blame him for.

Anyone who says that we need to talk to Bin laden and find out what we did to upset him so we can make it right is anti-American.
Nobody has to ask bin Laden why he is so upset. He wants Americans off of Muslim soil.......mostly Saudi Arabia.........could be why 13 of the 19 hyjackers were from there.

Â*

[Cobra]

He got re-elected on fear.
It was some of that but even you have to admit John Kerry wasen't the best candidate/choice to begin with. He really lost that election for the dems.

[kanyon40]

Thank you Lily for proving my point about the left's hate for Bush. Based on your last post, I really needn't say anything more about it.

[lily]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Kanyon. I put a lot of thought into it......guess there's nothing to debate. I must be correct.

[lily]

He got re-elected on fear.
It was some of that but even you have to admit John Kerry wasen't the best candidate/choice to begin with. He really lost that election for the dems.

Well, you know Cobra........I was going to dis-agree with you and say that Kerry spoke to intelligently as opposed to Bush's foot in mouth, but after seeing how he acted at Bush's first State of the Union, and pretty much every minute there after.......I'm just going to have to swallow my pride and agree with you, since you agreed with me about the fear part!

[Nathan Brazil]

I replied to this post, but accidentally sent it as a private message I think so I am going to repost it.Â*Â*

It is a shame, Nathan, that though we agree on so much politically, you make no hesitation to belittle me as some kind of stooge.Â*Â*Yes, I am aware that the "Clinton" welfare reform bill was a republican bill.Â*Â*But Clinton took credit for it.Â*Â*The leftists give him credit for it.Â*Â*Nothing you or I say will convince them otherwise.Â*Â*So I was throwing a bone to those who wouldn't have listened to anything I said without hearing me say something good about Clinton.


If you're going to throw the enemy a bone, it should be sharp and jagged, yet with meat hiding the threat, so they either choke on it or it punctures their bowels.

Otherwise, let 'em starve.

[kanyon40]

Nathan, you are right about the bone. There is no point throwing a dog a bone when that dog is so foaming at the mouth crazy as these liberals are anyway. Best thing to do is just have the dog put to sleep (or use it for animal testing medication instead).

[Mayberry]

If you haven't noticed, "Stay the course", is not working In case you slept through history class, wars usually last 4 or 5 years, and that's all out, unrestricted warfare. Picking and choosing as we are in Iraq, takes longer to weed out the enemy. Patience. He got re-elected on fear. Huh? Nobody came to my door with a loaded gun and said "Vote Bush or die." More left wing media driven nonsense. Unless you meant fear of what John Kerry would have done to us, in that case, I agree.

[lily]

Mayberry

In case you slept through history class, wars usually last 4 or 5 years, and that's all out, unrestricted warfare. Picking and choosing as we are in Iraq, takes longer to weed out the enemy. Patience. The difference between previous wars and this war, is we weren't sold a particular bill of goods, that later found out to be un-true. Let me just post the classics.

We will be greeted as liberators.

Iraqi's oil will pay for this war.

We're in the last throes.

Now as I've said, I'm not naive' enough to think that a war can be fought and won in a year, but other than the three things stated off the top of my head, as I stated in my original post, "stay the course" is not a battle plan. It's a slogan. Much like 'when the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down." Now I ask you........how long does it take to train a military and how long are we going to stay over there and hold their hand, instead of letting them stand up? How can a country thrive and take pride in their country, unless they are defending it?

When training a child to ride a bike, there is a time that you take off the training wheels, run along side them and hold on to the seat, to keep their balance..........but sooner or later, you let go.

You know as well as I do, as long as you have someone to do the dirty work for you.......you sure as hell ain't going to do it. We promised them three elections. They had those elections. We promised them we'd get rid of Sadaam. He's having his trial and he's having it in Iraq. Hell.....we even threw in killing Zarchari for them, for free!

We are not making milestones, we're not even holding on to Baghdad, the city we needed to conquer in order to win this mess. Rumsfailed has made a complete and utter mess of this whole thing. It is still winable.....but not as long as he's running the show. Sad part is, I think even Bush realizes this now, but firing him would also mean that Bush made a huge mistake and he's never going to do that.

Huh? Nobody came to my door with a loaded gun and said "Vote Bush or die." More left wing media driven nonsense.
Nobody had to come to your door.........your memory can't be that short, to forget the ads.......hell even now Bush says he's the only one that can protect this country. Sadly, come election time, if the Republicans again pull this tactic out, it wll backfire.

Unless you meant fear of what John Kerry would have done to us, in that case, I agree.
You must have missed my Kerry post to Cobra.

[Mayberry]

how long does it take to train a military Years. You can train a soldier in a year, but the command structure takes much longer. There's a lot more to it than just putting your rifle together blindfolded. how long are we going to stay over there and hold their hand, instead of letting them stand up? How can a country thrive and take pride in their country, unless they are defending it? These two are answered by question 1. your memory can't be that short, to forget the ads TV ads do not equate fear. If you are influenced that deeply by TV ads, perhaps you should not be voting. You must have missed my Kerry post to Cobra. No, I didn't. That was just a general comment not directed at you per se.

[lily]

Mayberry



[quote]Years. You can train a soldier in a year, but the command structure takes much longer. There's a lot more to it than just putting your rifle together blindfolded.
Then we don't need thousands of soldiers deployed.

I'm not totally unreasonable. Terrorists have infiltrated both the military and the police, as we have seen with this latest bombing. Mistakes have been made, as in other wars, but this one really takes the cake!

If you are influenced that deeply by TV ads, perhaps you should not be voting.
That answer would work, if the quotes I quoted, weren't taken from TV ads.

[Technocrat]

Most charges of anti-americanism are propagandistic attempts at demonizing those who disagree, thus not really anti-american at all. It's merely a clever Ad Hominem of those whom the dominant groups find dismissable. It's the universal boogyman.


People all throughout history have attacked dissidents, when those in power really don't quite understand the history of their own country like they pretend they do. That's a significant problem. Anti-Americanism claims are as old as the country itself.

There might be some who genuinely hate America, but few hate the concept of the country or all the people, even the "socialist" ones.

[firefox]

This thread is old, but since I just recenly got here, I'll put in my two cents. Depending on what youre definition of "American" is (this alone makes this poll somewhat irrelevant), I would say that I'm both "pro" and "anti" American. I'm pro freedom, pro liberty, pro peace, and pro free markets. On the other hand, I'm anti war, anti state, and anti coersion.