Christman under attack 2008

[Labrocca]

Well let the games begin.

http://www.charlotte.com/business/breaking_news/story/363958.html

Lowe's advertisements calling Christmas Trees.."Family Trees".

Lowe's apologizes for `family trees'
NICHOLE MONROE BELL
nbell@charlotteobserver.com

Mooresville-based Lowe's Companies Inc. apologized this week after becoming ensnared in what has become an annual debate over whether retailers should specifically refer to Christmas in their advertisements.

The home improvement retailer's 2007 holiday catalog triggered an outcry from the American Family Association, a conservative advocacy group, because Christmas trees were on a page entitled "Family Trees."

Over the years, the association has led boycotts against Wal-Mart and other retailers for using the catchall "happy holidays" in its advertisements and greetings instead of "Merry Christmas."

This year the association posted an "action alert" on its Web site, asking readers to e-mail Lowe's about the trees.

"Lowe's evidently did not want to offend any non-Christians, therefore they replaced `Christmas Tree' with `Family Tree,'" the association's Web site said. "Of course, if Christians are offended, that is evidently ok."

Lowe's spokeswoman Karen Cobb said the page's title was an error and inconsistent with the company's practice of referring to the trees as Christmas trees. She said the intention was to convey that family traditions often begin with a Christmas tree.

Cobb said the company is redoubling its efforts to proof its catalogs.

"We've apologized for the confusion we created," Cobb said. "It was not our intention to offend anyone."

I personally thing O'Reilly is right about this in his Culture Warrior book. Christmas is under attack by secular progressives.

[Alonzo]

So if someone doesn't affirm your holiday its offensive, if someone doesn't deny anothers it's not offensive?

I grew up with hindu's who had trees at christmas but didn't care one bit about christmas itself. One family didn't even give gifts.

I'd think christians would be more offended to have muslims, jews and hindu's having "christmas" without knowing or caring about the religious basis of it.

[PatrickHenry]

Might wanta correct the thread title, Lab.

[Saigio]

Oh no! The poor Christians are being oppressed!
For crying out loud, who gives a rats ass if it's called a Christmas tree or not in an add. It's not an attack on Christmas. It's market sense. They'll sell more trees to more people if it is promoted as being non-exclusive to Christmas. It's just a damn name. Get over yourself.

[AnnEsthesia]

Exactly, Saigo. Wah! They call it a holiday tree! My religion is ruined!

[PatrickHenry]

That said, the forces of secularism are at work, undermining the religious joy of Christmas, which is the Advent of God himself entering our world...

[AnnEsthesia]

PH, how can anyone else take away *your* join in a religious event? If you want it to be purely religious, then take away the Christmas federal holiday and give everyone a certain number of personal days that they can use for whatever religious (or not) observations they may choose to participate in. Then the Christians can take off Christmas, the Jews can take off Passover, the Hindus their celebration days, etc.

Them minute the government gives everyone the day off, the religious aspect is lessened.

[Elrathin]

I personally thing O'Reilly is right about this in his Culture Warrior book. Christmas is under attack by secular progressives.


No more so than the religious loonies that boycott stores that call it anything but Christmas trees.

Besides I don't know what they are complaining about, Christmas stopped being a religious holiday when they marketed Santa Clause.

If you really want to consider Christmas under attack it isn't by secularists, it is by capitalists.

[moses2792796]

Oh come on, renaming Christmas for religious reason is retarded, it's not even a religious ceremony these days. Atheists celebrate it just as much as christians do. All this renaming business is horrendeously stupid, it's the worst thing about the left, they like to show their power by using poltical correctness to control everyone. In my city the Santas in shopping malls aren't allowed to say 'ho ho ho' anymore because it's derogatory to women!?!

Poltical correctness should never have existed, the moment we let this construct into our lives we lost any ability to control it, don't cow to this kind of bullcrap.

[Buck Laser]

By God, complaints about "the attack on Christmas" are just as regular as the season itself. How about we just throw the whole commercial aspect away, and do it all on July 4? If we could gather up all the energy wasted on whining either about the commercialization of Xmas or the attack on Xmas, we probably could quite worrying about the energy crisis.:clapper:

[AnnEsthesia]

Yea, it is the liberals forcing the corporations to use the all inclusive Happy Holidays in advertisements so that they can attract the business and make $$ from the people who do not celebrate Christmas but do celebrate another holiday at the same time of year.

Damned capitalist liberals! Damn their clever marketing genius!

[underdawg]

I think the renaming is stupid as well. Christmas trees have nothing to do with Christ anyway, it is a pagan thing.

[AnnEsthesia]

Yep! Happy Yule everyone! ;)

[lily]

I personally thing O'Reilly is right about this in his Culture Warrior book. Christmas is under attack by secular progressives.


Tee Hee.........look (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/06/AR2005120601900.html) who's leading the attack.:nana:

[Elrathin]

I think the renaming is stupid as well. Christmas trees have nothing to do with Christ anyway, it is a pagan thing.


What difference does it make what the stores call it? I mean that for both sides for and against calling them "Christmas Tree". Although I'm not losing any sleep over the stores calling it "Family Trees" or whatever. The important thing to me is that I call them Christmas Trees, I could care less what anyone else calls them.

[AnnEsthesia]

Elrathin, I do not know anybody personally who is upset if a store calls them "Christmas Trees." I do, however, know many people who are very upset if a store dares to "rename" them to anything other than Christmas Trees.

[Elrathin]

Elrathin, I do not know anybody personally who is upset if a store calls them "Christmas Trees." I do, however, know many people who are very upset if a store dares to "rename" them to anything other than Christmas Trees.


Actually I know some people that do mind if the stores call them Christmas Trees and went apeshit last year over some store (I think it was Wal-Mart) that said Merry Christmas and tried to get me to do a boycott with them.

They are like cockroaches, you typically never see them, but they are in greater numbers than you think.

[AnnEsthesia]

I was speaking for myself personally. Hell, my in-laws live in a retirement community down in Florida for the winter and they get mad if anyone puts out anything that says "Happy Holidays" and so the other neighbors will put up all these gaudy things saying "Merry Christmas" in response.

You want some fun... you go to my mother in law and wish her a happy holidays. She goes batshit. Muahaha. Just wait until she gets the holiday card this year. ;)

[moses2792796]

Yea, it is the liberals forcing the corporations to use the all inclusive Happy Holidays in advertisements so that they can attract the business and make $$ from the people who do not celebrate Christmas but do celebrate another holiday at the same time of year.

Damned capitalist liberals! Damn their clever marketing genius!


It's the PC leftist censorship that I have a problem with.

[AnnEsthesia]

As opposed to the un-pc rightist censorship that happens every year at this time of year? WAH WAH! We will boycott unless you use Christmas in all your advertising and signage! WAH!

[Alonzo]

This makes me wonder, how many prayers are made by these "evil secularists are out to get us" christians each year asking Jesus to smite their enemies?

[PatrickHenry]

This makes me wonder, how many prayers are made by these "evil secularists are out to get us" christians each year asking Jesus to smite their enemies?
The enemies of christians are not other people. Our enemies are evil spirits, consequently we should pray consistently for them to be smitten. :shock:

[AnnEsthesia]

Smitten? With whom?

[PatrickHenry]

I could send 'em to your house Ann!

Joke, joke...

Seriously, I don't mind if a company thinks it may bring better revenues to call their Christmas trees something else.

I got a nice fake one anyhow...

Actually, harvesting millions of trees for a few weeks of fire hazard in our houses, then throwing them in the landfill isn't the smartest thing to do now is it?

[moses2792796]

As opposed to the un-pc rightist censorship that happens every year at this time of year? WAH WAH! We will boycott unless you use Christmas in all your advertising and signage! WAH!


It's the reasoning behind renaming them that bothers me.

[jafar00]

I was speaking for myself personally. Hell, my in-laws live in a retirement community down in Florida for the winter and they get mad if anyone puts out anything that says "Happy Holidays" and so the other neighbors will put up all these gaudy things saying "Merry Christmas" in response.


Even I get fed up with the condescending "Happy Holidays" and I'm a Muslim who totally avoids the Christmas celebration (but I'll take the holiday thanks :dork:)

[AnnEsthesia]

As opposed to the un-pc rightist censorship that happens every year at this time of year? WAH WAH! We will boycott unless you use Christmas in all your advertising and signage! WAH!


It's the reasoning behind renaming them that bothers me.


You mean you are against capitalism and marketing to everyone in your customer base rather than just some of them? :)[hr]

I was speaking for myself personally. Hell, my in-laws live in a retirement community down in Florida for the winter and they get mad if anyone puts out anything that says "Happy Holidays" and so the other neighbors will put up all these gaudy things saying "Merry Christmas" in response.


Even I get fed up with the condescending "Happy Holidays" and I'm a Muslim who totally avoids the Christmas celebration (but I'll take the holiday thanks :dork:)


See, I do not think it as condescending. :) I like Happy Holidays. I say it to people I do not know because I do not know what they celebrate.

[preservanation]

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Learn it, love it, live it!

[Truth_and_Power]

Frosty is the hit-man:

http://pics.uglychristmaslights.com/2003/deadsanta.jpg[hr]
Exactly, Saigo. Wah! They call it a holiday tree! My religion is ruined!


Anyone see the irony in the fact that most of the "christmas" traditions are rooted in "pagan" holidays?[hr]

As opposed to the un-pc rightist censorship that happens every year at this time of year? WAH WAH! We will boycott unless you use Christmas in all your advertising and signage! WAH!


It's the reasoning behind renaming them that bothers me.


You mean the renaming of pagan symbols of the winter holiday to christian names?

[preservanation]

"Why did Frosty drop his pants?"

"He heard the snow blower was coming down the road."

[AnnEsthesia]

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Learn it, love it, live it!


How does being wished a Happy Holiday or having a tree called a holiday tree prohibit your exercise of religion??

[preservanation]

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Learn it, love it, live it!


How does being wished a Happy Holiday or having a tree called a holiday tree prohibit your exercise of religion??
Incrementalism.
This is just a symptom of the larger attack on religion and more specifically Christianity. For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called “God” of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. http://www.evilbible.com/

Once upon a time, years ago, it seemed that the only major fire for atheism burned from the anti-Christian work of Madelyn Murray O'Hair and the American Atheist organization, whose claim to fame was the banning of prayer and Bible reading in public schools in 1963.

Today many more antagonist groups and individuals to theism abound, and they are using every means possible for global proliferation – from local government to the World Wide Web. Such secular progressives include the Institute for Humanist Studies, Secular Coalition of America, American Atheists, American Humanist Association, Internet Infidels, the Atheist Alliance International, Secular Student Alliance, Society for Humanistic Judaism, Freedom From Religion Foundation, Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers, etc. Of course no list of atheistic advocates would be complete without mentioning the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, as well as the anti-God militancy of men like Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris.

Though the U.S. Constitution outlaws religious discrimination, these organizations and individuals would love nothing more than to help society look with distain upon Christianity and, ultimately, make its components illegal. In fact, right now, they are coalescing and rallying at least 5 million of their troops to mount counter offensives to Christianity.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55668
WASHINGTON, D.C.- In a difficult 5-4 decision, the United States Supreme Court ruled on Monday that judges can no longer display religious artifacts such as the Ten Commandments in their courtrooms. By manipulating a loophole in the Constitution, lawyers managed to convince the court to invalidate centuries of federal sponsorship for the nation's most popular religion. The end result is that Christianity as we have known it has been effectively outlawed in America. http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?id=1355
Christianity Under Attack
by Michael Nevin, Jr.
16 March 2004

State-sponsored discrimination and hostility toward Christians is reaching epidemic proportions.


A federal judge ruled that the New York City Department of Education could continue to ban the display of the Christian Nativity during Christmas. Remarkably, the judge found that the display of the Jewish Menorah during Hanukkah and the Islamic Star and Crescent during Ramadan were allowable since these symbols are “secular.” Ostensibly, state-sponsored discrimination against Christians is permissible because it provides “parity” for other religions.

Not to be outdone, another federal judge in Kansas ruled that Washburn University has every right to display a sculpture mocking the Catholic faith. The oxymoronic Campus Beautification Committee selected the display, entitled “Holier than Thou,” portraying a Catholic bishop with a morbid facial expression wearing a miter resembling a penis. The judge did not find hostility toward Catholics, but rather a display that will “increase the intellectual capacities of Washburn’s students.”

The Thomas More Law Center, a public-interest law firm, brought suit in the aforementioned cases. Richard Thompson, President and Chief Counsel of the Law Center, commented, “Unfortunately, this and several other recent decisions by federal judges have demonstrated that there is a double standard when it comes to applying the Establishment Clause. The Ten Commandments and the Christian Nativity scene are out, but an anti-Catholic display of a bishop wearing a miter that resembles a phallus is permissible because it allegedly enhances aesthetics. Apparently, the religion clauses protect atheists but afford no comparable protection for Christians.”

Catholic Charities is one of America’s largest social service organizations providing assistance to people regardless of religious affiliation. Catholic Charities is an arm of the Roman Catholic Church, but the California Supreme Court does not seem to agree with this assessment. The organization did not meet the narrowly defined religious employer exemption in a law requiring California employers to provide birth control coverage in health plans. Thus, the court ruled that Catholic Charities must ignore its moral opposition to contraception. This is a great example of how government-mandated health insurance works when it becomes a “right.”

State-sponsored discrimination and hostility toward Christians is reaching epidemic proportions in a country rooted in Judeo-Christian principles. Our Founders could never have envisioned how far we would travel off the beaten path. This disturbing trend is no anomaly. It’s a highly organized and well-financed campaign by secular humanists and atheists who have found sympathetic legislators and jurists. The agenda is simple -- drive organized religion underground in order for nihilism and moral relativism to metastasize.

French historian and American observer Alexis de Tocqueville opined, “liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.” Americans of all faiths must stand together with the understanding that no religion is safe when even one comes under attack. Josef Stalin disclosed an ominous plot many years ago: “America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within.” We’ve stood by as Christianity takes a beating in the town square. It’s high time we turn the tide. Our very liberty depends on it.
http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article3227.html

[AnnEsthesia]

Um. No. Sorry. Happy Holidays has NOTHING to do with Christianity. I will say it again. If you want Christmas to only be for christians, legislate that it cannot be a secular holiday that everything closes for and make it a purely religious one where people can choose to take a day off for it or not. Otherwise, quit bitching. ;)

[preservanation]

OK,;)

[lily]

Actually, harvesting millions of trees for a few weeks of fire hazard in our houses, then throwing them in the landfill isn't the smartest thing to do now is it?


I think the days of going into the forrest to cut down your Christmas tree is long past, Patrick. There are Christmas tree farms, just like there are farms for vegetables. Some people depend on this for their paycheck. As for throwing them in a landfill, they degrade and make great mulch........better than diapers. Also I don't know about where you live, but the week after New Years we have those mulching truck thingies come by and chip them all up.

Now getting back to the topic....seriously does anyone really care what stores put in their ads or how sales people greet you> I don't know about anyone else, but in the ads, I'm looking at the prices and when I'm in the store.......I just want to get out!

Either way, in the total scheme of things, this isn't really high on my priorities to worry about. It's just another way to make the divide between left and right bigger.

Bah Humbug!

[AnnEsthesia]

I am with you, Lily. Someone could wish me a happy Festivus and I could care less, so long as it is heart-felt and said with a smile. I go to the store for a sale or because they carry what I want, not because they will say what I want them to say. And if Christians boycott someplace because they say Happy Holidays, well... good. That means shorter lines for the rest of us. :)

[PatrickHenry]

My local K-Mart is calling them "holiday trees" in their ads, too.

But I ain't boycotting them over it...doesn't faze me.

[Elrathin]

Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; Learn it, love it, live it!


And when congress tries to pass a law saying that Stores have to say Happy Holidays, you may have a point. Until then in regards with the stores deciding what they want it is their own damn business and if you don't like it don't shop there.[hr]
Incrementalism.
This is just a symptom of the larger attack on religion and more specifically Christianity.


So now Happy Holidays is an attack on Christianity? Tinfoil Hat quality if I ever read it. :lmao:

[preservanation]

I prefere "hintoil fat".
But that's just me.

El, you can't deny the secularists have stepped up their efforts to purge Christianity and everything associated with it from our society in the past ten years.
If you can't see this....stay clear of three card monte.

[Alonzo]

Pres is right about liberals. And I for one believe that we must launch all out war on Christmas before it's too late:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmJGPdd899o

[Elrathin]

I prefere "hintoil fat".
But that's just me.

El, you can't deny the secularists have stepped up their efforts to purge Christianity and everything associated with it from our society in the past ten years.
If you can't see this....stay clear of three card monte.


No more than you can deny that Christian fanatics have stepped up their efforts to put religion in everything. IF a store doesn't say Merry Christmas, look for the fanatics to come out and boycott the store.

[preservanation]

No, we are just perpetuating the religious tradition which founded this great nation.
Defending what is established is not an attack.

But nice to see you El,
How's the campaign going?

[AnnEsthesia]

Really? You are defending Christianity by making sure the pagan symbol is called a Christmas tree? Your religious conviction is that weak?

[preservanation]

Human beings' relation to that which they regard as holy, sacred, spiritual, or divine. Religion is commonly regarded as consisting of a person's relation to God or to gods or spirits.

To argue against this... according to our Bill of Rights is unconstitutional, and in my opinion....exceedingly intolerant.

[AnnEsthesia]

And a Christmas tree has what to do with your religion, again?

[preservanation]

The thread is Christians under attack, not arbors.
BTW....Oh, never mind.

[Elrathin]

No, we are just perpetuating the religious tradition which founded this great nation.
Defending what is established is not an attack.


Too bad the Founding fathers weren't about establishing Christianity as the American Religion.


But nice to see you El,
How's the campaign going?


What Campaign? I am about letting business owners, you know the people that run their stores, put whatever they want. I could care less. Unlike Christian Fanatics that boycott stores that don't say Merry Christmas. But hows your campaign going to make everyone recognize Christianity?

[AnnEsthesia]

The thread is Christians under attack, not arbors.
BTW....Oh, never mind.


Aw... you were trying so hard. Too bad you are completely wrong.

From the OP.

Well let the games begin.

http://www.charlotte.com/business/breaki...63958.html

Lowe's advertisements calling Christmas Trees.."Family Trees".


Better luck next time.

[preservanation]

I am not wrong.
You are just confused.[hr]El...look at the founding documents.
It will nullify your belief that Jefferson was proponent of Buddhism.

[Elrathin]

I am not wrong.
You are just confused.[hr]El...look at the founding documents.
It will nullify your belief that Jefferson was proponent of Buddhism.


It's Deism look it up sometime, there is a reason why CHRISTIANITY wasn't this nations NATIONAL religion.

Tell me if ALL the founding father were Christian, why isn't Christianity the Nations religion in the constitution? Oh that's right, because they didn't want that.

[AnnEsthesia]

No, I am not confused, but thanks for playing. You seem to feel that Christmas trees = Christianity. I disagree. I celebrate Christmas, but I am not a practicing Christian. Christmas trees do not = Christianity.

[preservanation]

OK, let them grow.
Big deal[hr]this is deeper.
sorry you can't get out of your pine box...before you get into it.

[AnnEsthesia]

It is only deeper in your own head. Wah... a tree is called a holiday tree... people are oppressing the majority. Please. It is marketing pure and simple.

[preservanation]

Where's Labrocca when you need him?
Turkeyfeathers.




Happy Thanksgiving, Miss AnnE![hr]I chop trees.
I hope you don't think less of me.
Sometimes, burn then and call them names...like OAK!
Is that a hate crime?

[AnnEsthesia]

What? Are you not man enough to deal with me alone? :dork:

Right back atcha, pres. ;)

[Professor]

I don't see the big deal. It's a business. If it bothers people then don't shop there. That is how to make your voice heard in the business world.

[bobbylien]

Over the years, the association has led boycotts against Wal-Mart and other retailers for using the catchall "happy holidays" in its advertisements and greetings instead of "Merry Christmas."
What about the other religious groups? Almost every family gives gifts on or around Christmas and if saying happy holidays makes them feel more inclined to buy from Wal-Mart then you'd better believe that they're going to say it. Wal-Mart is a huge multi-national corporation and they would surely sell the future of this country away if it meant more profits.

Maybe this should be a chance for christians to distance themselves from these traditions all together and focus on the birth of jesus over spending money.

[Buck Laser]

No, we are just perpetuating the religious tradition which founded this great nation.
Defending what is established is not an attack.

Too bad the Founding fathers weren't about establishing Christianity as the American Religion.

I wonder every once in a while if Preserves will have something germane to add to the discussion. Then I see one of his posts quoted, and I see that my decision to put him on ignore made great good sense.

The ironic thing about this post is that most eighteeth century Christians regarded Christmas as a pagan celebration. The Puritans would have NOTHING to do with it, as would Calvinists generally. Of course the high church people from the south celebrated it, but there was a pretty strong "minimalist" tradition there, too.

Christmas didn't come to the the celebration it's become until fairly late in the 19th century. Of course, if one has no sense of history, the 19th century prolly seems like a thousand years ago. It's really pretty amazing to see people get all worked up about a "war on Christman" (whatever that means), just because it isn't being done exactly the same way it was when they were kids, ten years ago. :lmao:

Me, I'm getting pissed because there's a radio station here in Austin already playing Christmas music 24/7--and not even good Christmas music--i.e., the kind I like.

[preservanation]

Me, I'm getting pissed because there's a radio station here in Austin already playing Christmas music 24/7--and not even good Christmas music--i.e., the kind I like. I didn't know Marlyn Manson did a version of "Silent Night", or is it Tool's "Come All Ye Faithful"?

[Truth_and_Power]

[quote]Tool's "Come All Ye Faithful"?


Pretty sure that's a Paris Hilton single.

[preservanation]

Oh, yeah...my bad.
Paris Hilton also covered Elvis' "Crossbar Hotel".

[ViolaLee]

The Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol. It's a PAGAN symbol for winter solstice.

Jesus Christ the Christians are annoying and stupid.

IMHO.


LOL!

[AnnEsthesia]

But they made it theirs... they own it now. Tough noogies to the pagans. ;)

[Buck Laser]

The Christmas tree is not a Christian symbol. It's a PAGAN symbol for winter solstice.

Jesus Christ the Christians are annoying and stupid.

IMHO.

LOL!

Yeah, some of them certainly are. I went to a Lutheran parochial school in the second grade, and the teacher, who was also pastor of the rural church, told us in great detail how Martin Luther invented the Christmas Tree. He also invented the march in 4/4 time: teach said Luther and all the other monks kept tripping over themselves as they tried to march in 3/4 time.

Now that I think of it, that last bit may have been a bit of humor that just flew right over the head of a second grader. :madlaugh:

But this thread is just a vehicle for a bunch of people with too much time on their hands and a desperate need to bitch about something

[ViolaLee]

O'Reilly is leading the charge and the Christian sheep are following because they don't want to address the murder and lies and war and corruption and constitutional violations of their evangelical cult following leader, Dubya.

[preservanation]

VoilaLee....
"That is a bold statement"
-John Travolta, Pulp Fiction

[PatrickHenry]

Will somebody fix the damn title? It looks ignorant...

[preservanation]

Nobody seemed to care about that before.
What's changed now?[hr]
O'Reilly is leading the charge and the Christian sheep are following because they don't want to address the murder and lies and war and corruption and constitutional violations of their evangelical cult following leader, Dubya.
Besides blatant prejudice...what else do you have to back up your claim?

[AnnEsthesia]

Will somebody fix the damn title? It looks ignorant...


Do you mean the Christman - Christmas or the fact that it is only 2007?

[PatrickHenry]

Will somebody fix the damn title? It looks ignorant...


Do you mean the Christman - Christmas or the fact that it is only 2007?
uhhh...both?

[ViolaLee]

Maybe the Christ-man will be under attack next year. Maybe this is a Labrocca prophesy!