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Fritz
11-06-2007, 09:15 PM
The politicians refuse to acknowledge the 800-pound gorilla in this election. Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt.

The reason for Social Security was never to give people money so they can retire and play 18 rounds of golf with their grandchildren’s money.

Social Security was established as a safety net for when you are no longer able to provide for yourself. It started off with two main parts.
1. Social Security Survivors Insurance was set up to provide for your dependants if you died. This is simple life insurance. Three guys in my college dorm were receiving Survivors payments.
2. Social Security Disability Insurance was set up to provide for you and your dependants if you were no longer able to work. I had a boss who had brain damage in a car crash. He could no longer work. A Physician had to certify him disabled.
3. Some IDIOT decided when Social Security started that it would be easier to “simply declare all people over the age of 65 disabled”. Social Security is paid to people who are too old to work. They are considered disabled. It would be too costly to have each person certified as no longer able to work. The foolish reason they chose 65 was because at the time it was the average life expectancy. Many people would never qualify under the age clause because they would be dead already. Those who did would die after a very few years. Most work was hard labor. Driving a mule drawn plow was hard work. Very few people could do it past the age of 65. Now the average life expectancy is 78. Today most work is sedentary. Most people are able to work long past 78-let alone 65. People collect Social Security for 13 years longer than they NEED it. This is bankrupting our grandchildren. If a coal miner has black lung disease at the age of 55, he is entitled to Social Security. If you want to retire at the age of 55 and play golf all day, you are free to do it-with YOUR savings. You should be ashamed to saddle your grandchildren with debt for your leisure just because you are 65. Can you imagine a 65-year-old man taking out a loan with his two year old grandson as cosigner? Should the kid be responsible to repay the loan when grandpa dies?

Alexis de Tocqueville said: “Democracy will last until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesses from the public purse”. We have figured out we can vote ourselves money from our grandchildren. The Federal debt is staggering. It is not only the official 9 trillion dollars. It is the promissory notes for entitlements. The unaccounted liabilities are very much greater. Some say more than 30 trillion dollars. We are bankrupt. We have bankrupted our grandchildren. You can’t force your grandchildren to pay for your retirement. They could not vote on it. Talk about taxation without representation! It is a house of cards. China holds enormous quantities of our debt. They use it to blackmail us. So do the Arabs. We are no longer free. We have sold our grandchildren into slavery. You think that working eight months of the year for the government is freedom? We endure a 35% federal tax rate, an 11 % state income tax rate, a 15 % FICA tax, 8% sales tax, property taxes and countless other fees. 69% and growing.

Almost all of the money we have paid into Social Security has been spent already. It was paid for SS Survivors and Disability payments. The money is gone. The lieyer politicians spent it. In 25 years there will only be two workers supporting each retired person. These workers can’t pay the staggering Social Security payments to retirees. They can’t pay the interest on the Federal debt. Who will pay the Social Security retirement checks if young workers can opt out of Social Security? It is a Ponzi scheme. It will collapse. This will be the end of the United States. Our government will collapse. For more see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme “As a political metaphor” ¾ of the way down.

Let us be practical. I am not opposed to life insurance. I am not opposed to disability insurance. I am opposed to a “retirement age” of 65. We can fix Social Security simply by raising the “retirement age” to 78. This may be phased-in over 20 or 30 years. Doing it abruptly would never be politically practical. Eliminating the age altogether would be better.

lily
11-06-2007, 11:45 PM
I agree, the age limit should be raised slowly over time, but I do not agree that the retirees are the ones that are "breaking the bank". Politicians using it as their personal slush fund is.

Yes, it's going to put a strain on SS when all the baby boomers retire, but you also have to remember that 401s and the like were not around when we were paying into SS. This is our 401k and there are a lot of people out there that expected to retire on their pension that was stolen from a lot of them.

What I find surprising is, you're upset about people collecting at 65, but seem just fine with Social Security Survivors Insurance. One parent died, not two.....we're not giving out this money for single parents and it seems if you're old enough to go to college, then you're old enough to work.

preservanation
11-06-2007, 11:47 PM
I think we should privatise a portion of our SS contributions, Make it voluntary, of course.

Interrested
11-07-2007, 12:03 AM
Perhaps the retirement age needs to be raised, but certainly not to 78. The average lifespan for a human is still 76 I believe. So most people will die before they can get to the Social Security they have worked for their entire lives? No, 78 is too high.

If the government screwed up, the retirees should not have to pay for it. Personally I think it's bad enough walking into WalMart and finding half the staff over the age of 60.

Cobra
11-07-2007, 12:03 AM
I don't, your likely to be sick or dead by 78. Not still capble of working with your usual income.

ViolaLee
11-07-2007, 01:38 AM
78 is too high. 65 is the right age for retirement.

Lift the cap off and make EVERYONE pay for social security on ALL of their income.

Lock the box and stop stealing from the social security fund.

And don't pay social security to people who have a net worth of a million or more.

Easy peasy.

gemosological
11-07-2007, 05:10 AM
Quoting Fritz, post #1:

We endure a 35% federal tax rate, an 11 % state income tax rate, a 15 % FICA tax, 8% sales tax, property taxes and countless other fees. 69% and growing.

So what you're saying is that at $7.00 an hour for a forty hour workweek the employee is only bringing home $86.80 a week out of a gross pay of $280.00 a week? If we go by your figures that means that everyone who works at a service industry job is homeless- you can't pay the rent, much less the utilities and the other necessities of life, on $86.80 a week.

The most recent housing statistics from the Census Bureau appear to bear that out. After a few years of modest increases in average rents - from $589 in 2003 to $605 in 2005 - they've taken off. In the second quarter of 2007, the average rental cost was $665.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/29/real_estate/housing_costs_strangling_low_income_Americans/index.htm

Think there might be something wrong with the way you're figuring this, Fritz?

RRD

preservanation
11-08-2007, 05:01 AM
Screw that noise.

I am investing in my own retirement, no matter how financially onerous it is now, and it is.
I will not rely on the gov to fulfill any of their promises.
Congress has been stealing from SS for as long as I can remember. Writing IOUs they never intended to honor.
Thieves
If I could have opted out when I started working and put all that $ into a mutual fund...Hell, a money market fund, I could have already retired a rich man. So could have you. It's OUR money for Christ's sakes!
What a friggin ponzi scheme.
Why Bush didn't push harder for that 3%, voluntary privatisation of our SS contributions money is beyond me. It would have made a big difference. Oh well.

potter
11-09-2007, 01:21 AM
Screw that noise.

I am investing in my own retirement, no matter how financially onerous it is now, and it is.
I will not rely on the gov to fulfill any of their promises.
Congress has been stealing from SS for as long as I can remember. Writing IOUs they never intended to honor.
Thieves
If I could have opted out when I started working and put all that $ into a mutual fund...Hell, a money market fund, I could have already retired a rich man. So could have you. It's OUR money for Christ's sakes!
What a friggin ponzi scheme.
Why Bush didn't push harder for that 3%, voluntary privatisation of our SS contributions money is beyond me. It would have made a big difference. Oh well.


Yup...can't argue with a word of that.

Why push harder when you've got a cash cow? Keep raiding the fund and you can pay for yer tax cuts...sorta.....