Iran and Russia may establish joint Navy in Caspian Sea

[December]

Iran and Russia may establish joint Navy in Caspian Sea

TEHRAN, October 15 (RIA Novosti) - Iran will join a Russian-proposed joint naval task force in the Caspian region only after the legal status of the Caspian Sea has been determined, an Iranian analyst said on Monday.

Moscow proposed setting up a joint naval force of Caspian Sea countries, to be named CasFor, in October 2005. According to the proposal, the five littoral states - Iran, Russia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan - will join efforts to prevent terrorism and trafficking in arms, narcotics and weapons of mass destruction in the Caspian Sea.

"It is necessary to determine the legal status of the Caspian Sea before successfully implementing the CasFor project," said Abbas Maleki, head of the International Institute for Caspian Studies in Tehran.
Leaders of the five Caspian states are expected to gather on October 16 for a summit in the Iranian capital to discuss how best to divide the resource-rich sea bed.

"If the [Caspian] sea is divided between the five coastal countries, Iran will no longer share a border with Russia and participation in a joint military grouping would be senseless for Tehran," the analyst said.

READ MORE -

http://en.rian.ru/world/20071015/83957021.html

http://www.worldpress.org/images/20060620-Ahmadinejad.jpg

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspian_natural_gas_pipelines.jpg

Caspian Sea Region: Natural Gas Export Options
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/caspgase.html

Caspian Sea Leaders Summit
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,2480,00.html

[Scorpion]

Sounds like a reasonable and intelligent idea.

[December]

Sounds like a reasonable and intelligent idea.


Scorpion, you think just like Ayatollah Khamenei - :clapper:

Islamic Revolution Leader Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei told the visiting Turkmenistan President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov Tuesday evening that the Caspian Sea littoral states could strengthen their position by broadening their mutual ties.

Ayatollah Khamenei touched on the historical and geographical commonalities of the two countries of Iran and Turkmenistan, adding that the grounds are more prepared than before for the two countries to broaden their relations, especially in gas sector and trade.

"Cooperation of the five Caspian Sea littoral states can help transform the region into an active and profitable zone for all these countries," Ayatollah Khamenei urged.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was also attending the meeting.

http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php?p=news&id=3692

[Scorpion]

Scorpion, you think just like Ayatollah Khamenei - :clapper:




No, I could never share the thoughts and opinions of an Islamic radical fundamentalist.

I agree with the arrangement simply because it makes sense from a cost standpoint and allows member countries to solidify diplomatic relations.

[December]

No, I could never share the thoughts and opinions of an Islamic radical fundamentalist.

Well, OK... But he is the best friend of Russia... :D

US created plenty of enemies in Middle East, so they became Russia's friends...
See how it worked out...

Iran testing anti-ship missile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ7Y-lKd4co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5W1WAkQYzHg

[bobbylien]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[December]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


It is not the case here.

Russia and Iran simply want to protect their intrests in that area from aggressive Americans...
That's all....

Will US do the same thing if Russia invades countries in Central America to set up the pro-Russian governments while telling everyone that they actually want to spread democracy and freedom?

_________________________

Russia threatens to build up troops on western borders over CFE

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20071107/86936203.html


Putin says missile tests were response to NATO's actions
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=5415

Putin compares U.S. missile defense plans with 1962 Cuban crisis
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=8876

US-Russia missile defense talks fail
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=8602

U.S. refusal to prolong START-1 fatal mistake
http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=6736

[December]

Caspian states can strengthen position by further cooperation
16/10/2007

Islamic Revolution Leader Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei told the visiting Turkmenistan President Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov Tuesday evening that the Caspian Sea littoral states could strengthen their position by broadening their mutual ties.

Ayatollah Khamenei touched on the historical and geographical commonalities of the two countries of Iran and Turkmenistan, adding that the grounds are more prepared than before for the two countries to broaden their relations, especially in gas sector and trade.

"Cooperation of the five Caspian Sea littoral states can help transform the region into an active and profitable zone for all these countries," Ayatollah Khamenei urged.

Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov for his part recalled recommendations of the Islamic Revolution Leader for further relations between the two countries during a meeting held a few months ago, adding that since then Turkmenistan Government had undertook all efforts to deepen the bilateral relations.

Berdymukhamedov praised a letter of cooperation signed earlier in the day to build a railroad connecting Iran, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan as indicative of a serious resolve on the part of the two countries to expand relations in different spheres.

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was also attending the meeting.

http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php?p=news&id=3692

http://www.khamenei.ir/Data/Media/Photo/86/07/24C/smpl.jpg

"Iranians have a fine image from Russians in mind" - Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei

http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php?p=news&id=3693


Russian President Meets the Leader
http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/News/detail.jsp?id=20071016C

[Scorpion]

Will US do the same thing if Russia invades countries in Central America to set up the pro-Russian governments while telling everyone that they actually want to spread democracy and freedom?


I believe that's what they did in Afghanistan and they got their asses soundly kicked for it by the Taliban.

[Truth_and_Power]

Will US do the same thing if Russia invades countries in Central America to set up the pro-Russian governments while telling everyone that they actually want to spread democracy and freedom?


I believe that's what they did in Afghanistan and they got their asses soundly kicked for it by the Taliban.


Good thing they're not already doing that in Venezuela.

[December]

Iranian Navy receives stealth-capable submarine - national TV
28/ 11/ 2007


TEHRAN, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - Iran's Navy commissioned Wednesday a domestically designed and produced light submarine featuring extended stealth capability and strong firepower, state television reported.

The submarine, dubbed Ghadir, is reportedly fitted with noise-reduction features and is capable of firing missiles and torpedoes simultaneously.

"This submarine is equipped with advanced weapons and electronics systems. It has been developed in the last decade by scientists and engineers," a TV program quoted Navy commander, Admiral Habib Sayyari, as saying.

The admiral also said the Navy commissioned a destroyer and a missile boat.

According to various intelligence reports, Iran has been spending a considerable share of its defense budget on modernizing its naval forces over the last decade.

"The Iranian Navy - surface ships, submarines and naval bases - is equipped with all the necessary modern weaponry, including missiles," Sayyari said. "Their [the missiles] range is sufficient to protect effectively our southern flank in the Persian Gulf."

In a separate development, Iran, which received no invitation to the Mideast peace conference in Annapolis, announced on Tuesday that it had produced a ballistic missile with a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,240 miles). The missile's range would allow it to reach Israel, as well as United States military bases in the Middle East.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20071128/89970209.html


http://www.khamenei.ir/Data/Media/Photo/86/07/24C/smpl.jpg

[i]"Iranians have a fine image from Russians in mind" - Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei

http://www.leader.ir/langs/EN/index.php?p=news&id=3693


Russian President Meets the Leader
http://www.khamenei.ir/EN/News/detail.jsp?id=20071016C

[December]

Russia to showcase new-generation subs at maritime exhibition
03/ 12/ 2007

MOSCOW, December 3 (RIA Novosti) - Russia will present its new-generation Amur-1650 class submarine at an international maritime exhibition in Malaysia, Russia's state-controlled arms exporter said on Monday.

The Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) 2007 exhibition will take place on December 4-8 at the Mahsuri International Exhibition Center (MIEC).

"The submarines will include Project 636 [submarines] with an integrated missile complex, Club-S, and the next-generation Amur-1650 submarine," Rosoboronexport said in a press release.

The Project 677 or Lada-class submarines have been designed to engage surface ships and submarines as well as to perform surveillance, mine laying, and special operation forces deployment missions.

Long range anti-ship missiles, rockets, torpedoes and mines can be fired from the torpedo tubes at the bow.

The ninth edition of the biennial LIMA is expected to be the biggest ever with more than 250 companies from 26 countries taking part in the aerospace exhibition alone.

They include Australia, Brazil, the United Kingdom, France, Hong Kong, India, Germany, Italy, Japan, Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore and Spain.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20071203/90765627.html

Russia launches new nuclear submarine

http://img.rian.ru/images/6369/77/63697732.jpg

A fourth-generation strategic nuclear submarine was launched during a special ceremony at a shipbuilding yard in northern Russia.
The Yury Dolgoruky, a Borey-class nuclear missile submarine, was built at the Sevmash plant in the northern Arkhangelsk Region. It will be equipped with the Bulava ballistic missile, which is adapted from the Topol-M (SS-27).

The submarine has a length of 170 meters (580 feet), a body diameter around 13 meters (42 feet), and a submerged speed of about 29 knots. It can carry up to 16 ballistic missiles.

http://img.rian.ru/images/6369/72/63697240.jpg

Left to right: Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov, Russian Deputy Defense Minister General Alexei Moskovsky, First Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov and Pavel Nychko, chief representative of the Defense Ministry in Severodvinsk, signing the work-completion act before the launch ceremony for the new nuclear missile submarine Yury Dolgoruky.

Welcome to LIMA2007 Maritime

http://www.limamaritime.com.my

[BillyPilgrim]

It's moot. We've nuke subs that could turn Iran into a glass parking lot. Not that we have the stones for it. Damn you Jimmy Carter. Putin is just Mafiya and will allow the continuation of the thugocracy. His Sammy the Bull will replace him. Sucks for the Russian people, it's back to bread lines and no toilet paper.

[December]

It's moot. We've nuke subs that could turn Iran into a glass parking lot. Not that we have the stones for it.

When you say We do you mean the American government?
Nobody is (and was) asking American people.
But if you think that US has the best army in the world (according to Bush) than how come US didn't invade Iran already?

[BillyPilgrim]

"When you say We do you mean the American government?"

Well. yes of course.

"Nobody is (and was) asking American people."

DO we not elect out officials? Vote whom you want into office.

"But if you think that US has the best army in the world (according to Bush) than how come US didn't invade Iran already?"

Well, clearly we do have even if it seems to run by incompetents. I don't see the connection between having the best army and invading Iran. That's your straw man.

[December]

Hello, BillyPilgrim.

Well. yes of course.

So you work for the government. OK.
Well, it explains your thinking than...


DO we not elect out officials? Vote whom you want into office.

No. The regular folks do NOT elect "their" officials. The system is rigged.
There is NO WAY the Elite will allow the commoners to put in the office their man. JUST NO WAY.
Elections were, are and will be an illusion (for the working poor that is).

Besides, to become a candidate you need to have some connections.
JFK was elected thanks to his father connections, and the same can be said about todays president, of course.


I don't see the connection between having the best army and invading Iran. That's your straw man.

The US wanted to bomb Iran. Correct?
But it didn't do it because people in Pentagon know that Iran in return can wipe out Israel alone with American troops based in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bush refuses to rule out military action against Iran
04/ 12/ 2007

WASHINGTON, December 4 (RIA Novosti) - U.S. President George Bush said on Tuesday that the U.S. was not ruling out military action against Iran, despite a report saying the Islamic Republic may have no plans to build nuclear weapons.
http://en.rian.ru/world/20071204/90907765.html


I just hope that one day the USA will return to 1776 for a new fresh start without the influence of foreign bankers (interests).

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." - Thomas Jefferson

http://www.fdrs.org/thomas_jefferson_quotes.html

Cheers

:)

[BillyPilgrim]

"So you work for the government. OK.
Well, it explains your thinking than..."

Wow, that's a long and stupid jump. I'm a museum teacher.

"The US wanted to bomb Iran. Correct?"

Incorrect. The willingness to do so does not equate desire.

"I just hope that one day the USA will return to 1776 for a new fresh start without the influence of foreign bankers (interests)."

As my father used to say,"Shit in one hand and wish in the other and see which gets filled the fastest."

"But it didn't do it because people in Pentagon know that Iran in return can wipe out Israel alone with American troops based in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Silly. Can you say mutually assured destruction?

[Scorpion]

[b]No. The regular folks do NOT elect "their" officials. The system is rigged.
There is NO WAY the Elite will allow the commoners to put in the office their man. JUST NO WAY.
Elections were, are and will be an illusion (for the working poor that is).



Thanks for a very accurate description of rigged Russian elections.

[December]

Thanks for a very accurate description of rigged Russian elections.


Bourne, quit trolling in my threads. :)

[Scorpion]

Thanks for a very accurate description of rigged Russian elections.


Bourne, quit trolling in my threads. :)


I'm just offering a comparative observation relative to your remarks. Aren't you open to a bit of discussion about election fraud in Russia?

[Operation_Revamp]

When you say We do you mean the American government?
Nobody is (and was) asking American people.
But if you think that US has the best army in the world (according to Bush) than how come US didn't invade Iran already?


Ok, well you have obviously established how you feel about the American People, but I am little confused on your views? You continue to bash America or anyone that poses your views instead of truly debating the issue with an open heart. I find the way to peace is through peaceful debate, but I don’t get that from you. It sounds to me your already gearing up for war. Maybe I’m wrong and if I am, I do apologize, I don't mean to make any sort of misjudgment. I am just attempting to understand.

[December]

Ok, well you have obviously established how you feel about the American People...

Hello, Operation_Revamp.

The spirit of 1776 is gone. I feel sorry for the American people whose country has been hijacked by the international bankers in 1913, the year when the Federal Reserve was created.
Americans, however, still believe that they live in a free contry.

Well, thanks to Internet and some books many people are waking up.


....but I am little confused on your views? You continue to bash America or anyone that poses your views instead of truly debating the issue with an open heart.

Operation_Revamp, you are NEW member of this forum. You need to read the threads to get the picture... Actually it is other forum members who like to bash me. :D

If my posts "sound" different from the CNN articles than all it means is that I disagree with the CNN pro-big business agenda.
That's all.


I find the way to peace is through peaceful debate, but I don’t get that from you....

When I open new thread or post a message (offer a peaceful debate that is) I am INSULTED and labeled by the admin of this forum and oher forum members:

Labrocca (27) - Last updated Today, 06:22 PM
Negative: Everything is a conspiracy to this person.


ttriber (5) - Last updated 11-02-2007, 08:36 PM
Negative: A fool who believes conspiracy theories Im gonna keep it short and simple this guy is blatant idiot.

http://democracyforums.com/reputation.php?uid=733

Jesus H. Christ, you talk as though you're on some weird fuc***g physcotropic drugs. Are you? Why am I even asking?

My advice. Rehab my friend.


http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=9531&page=1

I can give you more quotes of the same nature.
I assume to be popular on this forum the one needs to post Everything is fine... Let's kill Osama Bin Laden! BUSH ALL THE WAY... and USA #1 kind of posts.

Correct?

:)

[Operation_Revamp]

Hello December, maybe I misjudged you, I suppose only time will tell. :)

As for the rest of the comments, I don’t necessarily think America still holds true to 1776. I think like any country, we definitely have our issues, hell maybe even more than some.

I also think the vast majority of American people don’t think highly of Bush, if you look at the poles most Americans dislike him. Even I have my issues with the guy; I don’t share his views at all. There are a few things I am not happy about. First and foremost, are 9 trillion dollar deficit.

And why were at war, I have no idea. I am of the mind set of supporting the troops, but not the war. I thought I knew, but it is beyond me how we went from Afghanistan to Iraq all in about two weeks. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t support terrorism or any murdering of innocent people. I just question if that’s the real reason we’re over there.

Well enough said, being the new guy, I think I’ll take some time to read some posts before I say to much more.

[December]

Iran hopes for broader cooperation with Russia - Foreign Ministry

30/ 12/ 2007

TEHRAN, December 30 (RIA Novosti) - Iran's foreign minister said Sunday he hopes for expansion of cooperation with Russia.
"A positive time has come in relations between Russia and Iran, and economic cooperation of our countries is positively developing," Manouchehr Mottaki told journalists, adding that trade turnover in 2007 grew 100%.

Mottaki said the Bushehr nuclear power plant Russia is building in southern Iran will work to 50% of its capacity by summer 2008.

The Russian contractor for the $1 billion project, state-controlled Atomstroyexport, said earlier the plant will not be commissioned before the end of 2008.

The United States and other Western powers suspect Iran of secret plans to build nuclear weapons and have pushed for measures to force Tehran to halt uranium enrichment, which can be used in both electricity generation and weapons production, but Iran insists its nuclear program is purely civilian.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20071230/94940122.html

http://www.kremlin.ru/dyn_images/img148446.jpg

October 16, 2007
TEHRAN.
Vladimir Putin the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/images/148447.shtml