Even Pelosi is disappointed in Congress

[lily]

Well, she's aware of it......what's she going to do about it? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_co/congress_pelosi_2)

Even Pelosi is disappointed in Congress
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 1, 4:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Add House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the list of Americans who
think Congress is doing a lousy job.

Hours after touting the Democratic-controlled Congress' achievements at a
ceremony on the Capitol steps Thursday, Pelosi confessed that she would give
the legislative body low marks if a pollster asked her.

"I know that Congress has low approval ratings," Pelosi, D-Calif., said at
her weekly news conference. "I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't
done anything that - we haven't been effective in ending the war in Iraq.
And if you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would
disapprove of Congress as well."

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame. She noted that Bush has vetoed Democratic-led efforts to
wind down the war, expand a children's health program and broaden stem cell
research.

In the October AP-Ipsos poll, Americans gave Congress a 22 percent approval
rating, the lowest score since the poll began in late 2003.

Pelosi, who became speaker in January, found some rays of sunlight among the
clouds. She cited a new Pew Research Center survey in which 44 percent of
those polled said the Democratic Party can better manage the federal
government, while 32 percent chose the Republican Party.

"I'm very proud of what we have done," Pelosi said. The key to boosting her
party's image, she said, is "to get through the fog of war, because there is
no question that the war in Iraq has eclipsed much of what we have done."

[gemosological]

Well, she's aware of it......what's she going to do about it? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_co/congress_pelosi_2)

Even Pelosi is disappointed in Congress
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 1, 4:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Add House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the list of Americans who
think Congress is doing a lousy job.

Hours after touting the Democratic-controlled Congress' achievements at a
ceremony on the Capitol steps Thursday, Pelosi confessed that she would give
the legislative body low marks if a pollster asked her.

"I know that Congress has low approval ratings," Pelosi, D-Calif., said at
her weekly news conference. "I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't
done anything that - we haven't been effective in ending the war in Iraq.
And if you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would
disapprove of Congress as well."

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame. She noted that Bush has vetoed Democratic-led efforts to
wind down the war, expand a children's health program and broaden stem cell
research.

In the October AP-Ipsos poll, Americans gave Congress a 22 percent approval
rating, the lowest score since the poll began in late 2003.

Pelosi, who became speaker in January, found some rays of sunlight among the
clouds. She cited a new Pew Research Center survey in which 44 percent of
those polled said the Democratic Party can better manage the federal
government, while 32 percent chose the Republican Party.

"I'm very proud of what we have done," Pelosi said. The key to boosting her
party's image, she said, is "to get through the fog of war, because there is
no question that the war in Iraq has eclipsed much of what we have done."


I think it's more a question of what "We, the People" are going to do about it. Unfortunately there is the danger of jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire in this respect. There is historic precedence for what can happen if a people or nation go off the deep end because they're dissatisfied with their government or economic situation, and I don't think it's a place either you or me- or anybody else with a lick of sanity- would want to go.

RRD
:)

[Labrocca]

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame.

A blamocrat. I wonder if she realizes that the congress SHE leads has chosen to push an agenda that she knows (and everyone) that Bush will veto. If you know the guy is gonna veto your bill then why push it forward? It's a failed strategy from the DNC to make Bush look bad but it's only made congress look ineffective.

She should be working on legislation that has a chance of being passed and courting any Republicans she can to vote their way.

[gemosological]

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame.

A blamocrat. I wonder if she realizes that the congress SHE leads has chosen to push an agenda that she knows (and everyone) that Bush will veto. If you know the guy is gonna veto your bill then why push it forward? It's a failed strategy from the DNC to make Bush look bad but it's only made congress look ineffective.

She should be working on legislation that has a chance of being passed and courting any Republicans she can to vote their way.


So what you're basically saying, Labrocca, is that Pelosi and the Democrats would be better off making a pact with the Devil rather than standing their ground and doing what they know is right. Is that correct?

RRD
:rolleyes:

[Elrathin]

If you know the guy is gonna veto your bill then why push it forward?


You mean like Congress trying to pass the constitutional Gay Marriage Ban when they know its gonna fail?

[lily]

A blamocrat.

Er.........um.....Isn't this against the rules, since I already gave a poster a warning for using repug?



I wonder if she realizes that the congress SHE leads has chosen to push an agenda that she knows (and everyone) that Bush will veto. If you know the guy is gonna veto your bill then why push it forward? It's a failed strategy from the DNC to make Bush look bad but it's only made congress look ineffective.

So in other words.........you want Democrats to be Republicans? I'll bet Bush wishes that too! Labrocca.........it takes 2 to compromise.

She should be working on legislation that has a chance of being passed and courting any Republicans she can to vote their way.

Well......they are courting Republicans. Votes have been close.

[Elrathin]

A blamocrat.


Given your new definition, here is another one, the Blamocon. Because that is exactly what the Republicans have done with this war in the Iraq is blame the Dems for it. Blamocon it is :)

[ttriber]

What Labrocca is trieng to say is to get the Dems to accept their hard earn policies aren't working and to weaken their approach so they can get some repubs to actually accept it and pass the laws so that Bush doesn't need to veto. You guys are the ones complaining and blaming it on the repubs of course but my friends who has the majority of congress the Dems so why don't they get something smoother so they can get laws passed. You must be fair you have to look at it in the whole you know the Repubs and Pres. Bush won't pass laws that advocate moveon.org policies or Code Pink so why even put a bill up like that when your wasting your time.

[Elrathin]

Bush won't pass laws that advocate moveon.org policies or Code Pink so why even put a bill up like that when your wasting your time.


Yeah Bush just passed the Pork Projects that the MAJORITY CONTROLLED Republican congress passed. No corruption there right?

[ttriber]

The thing you fail to see is that Pelosi said she was gonna make the congress partisan and what has happend is that it has become even worse ever since she got her spot as majority leader. The problem with the congress is that they trie to pass things that only help the far left of the Democrats they put stupid and thoughtless bills out. They should be helping to trie to win the war in Iraq. Bush will pass bills he agrees with just like most other presidents do even if its the majority of the opposite party.

Basically everytime I come to these forums its always bickering and b*tching about Bush or the Congress that they don't do anything and its Bush is fault can't you get the hell over the Bush issue and actually trie telling your congressman to be partisan so that we can actually get bills passed. This is coming from a Republican I want this country to thrive I know we have done some things I don't agree with but everytime I come here its the same ole sh*t with the Dems its always a blame game.

[lily]

What Labrocca is trieng to say is to get the Dems to accept their hard earn policies aren't working and to weaken their approach so they can get some repubs to actually accept it and pass the laws so that Bush doesn't need to veto.

You see though, ttiber........that compromise thing works both ways. In the SCHIPS and espcecially in the stem cell research bill, they had the votes.


You guys are the ones complaining and blaming it on the repubs of course but my friends who has the majority of congress the Dems so why don't they get something smoother so they can get laws passed.

Isn't the majority in congress by 1? That's not enough to over-ride a veto.

You must be fair you have to look at it in the whole you know the Repubs and Pres. Bush won't pass laws that advocate moveon.org policies or Code Pink so why even put a bill up like that when your wasting your time.

Hmmm.......this is the second time I heard this today. Once by Bush in his speech to the Heritage Foundation and now by you. I can't ask Bush........but I can ask you........exactly what bills has congress put up that advocated moveon or code pink?

[Elrathin]

The thing you fail to see is that Pelosi said she was gonna make the congress partisan

And she was incorrect, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. The Republicans in congress don't want the Dem Majority to work so they can get elected in 08 again. You fail to see that one.


Basically everytime I come to these forums its always bickering and b*tching about Bush or the Congress that they don't do anything and its Bush is fault can't you get the hell over the Bush issue and actually trie telling your congressman to be partisan so that we can actually get bills passed. This is coming from a Republican I want this country to thrive I know we have done some things I don't agree with but everytime I come here its the same ole sh*t with the Dems its always a blame game.


Yeah your right, the Republican aren't partisan at all right? :lmao: did you ever think that YOUR side is the one being partisan in all this? Because they WANT the dem controlled congress to fail? Or is your side so perfect and innocent they just ALWAYS want what is best for America and NEVER are out for their own ends?

[Labrocca]

It is a 2 way street but when the GOP had control they didn't need the approval of the Dems to pass legislation. Wasn't that a big complaint from the left?

Hey...if Dems are happy with congress then screw my ideas and opinions. If you're happy about the way this congress is going then good for you. I placed a suggestion out there that I thought would be a good idea. I can't tell others to accept it at face value.

...making a pact with the Devil

So Republican are devils now? Talk about demonizing! And what I was suggesting is convincing the devil to help you out. Dems do have congress majority...doesn't that give them SOME leeway? Are they so helpless and inadequate that their only excuse is Bush? These are PEOPLE after all. Partisanship is rampant in washington and it's a shame. There has to be ideas that BOTH parties can agree on to work for legislation. Key issues like health care, the war, and gay marriage don't have to be the only issues. Why not work on education, taxes, or heck...campaign finance reform!!!

Given your new definition, here is another one, the Blamocon. Because that is exactly what the Republicans have done with this war in the Iraq is blame the Dems for it.

What? I haven't seen GOP blame Dems for the war. They are criticizing them over it's funding and that's about it. And where is your originality? I come up with something catchy and the best you can do is copy it? And keep in mind Blamocrat isn't a Democrat placing blame. Notice my definition did not include any party affiliation. It's a play off beaurocrat.

[Elrathin]

What? I haven't seen GOP blame Dems for the war. They are criticizing them over it's funding and that's about it. And where is your originality? I come up with something catchy and the best you can do is copy it? And keep in mind Blamocrat isn't a Democrat placing blame. Notice my definition did not include any party affiliation. It's a play off beaurocrat.


Sorry but it is true. Take a look at many conservatives and they blame the liberals and democrats being against the war for us doing badly on the war on terror. They say the democrats have undermined everything the Republicans have done, yet not one damn thing that Bush has wanted HASN'T gotten passed that he's wanted.

[Labrocca]

We need a no-spin zone here.

Pelosi is the person stating she is dissappointed in the congress she is the leader of. Yet she blames Bush. Now you show me an example of a GOP leader saying the Democrats have undermined. And keep in mind TRYING TO UNDERMINE is not the same. You have made the statment that Republicans are saying the Democrats HAVE UNDERMINED EVERYTHING THEY HAVE DONE.

C'mon bud...let's see if you can stay on topic and back up your claim?

[ttriber]

You must be fair you have to look at it in the whole you know the Repubs and Pres. Bush won't pass laws that advocate moveon.org policies or Code Pink so why even put a bill up like that when your wasting your time.

Hmmm.......this is the second time I heard this today. Once by Bush in his speech to the Heritage Foundation and now by you. I can't ask Bush........but I can ask you........exactly what bills has congress put up that advocated moveon or code pink?


They are trieng to cut the funding for the war so of course their won't be partisanship when their are men and women out their fighting for us while were here bickering about funding of the war. These liberal organizations get in the way the moveon.org orgz. and code pink to disturb the peace and to put money into the hate Bush rhetoric of the Democratic party which does nothing (nada) to help their poll #'s. Then you wonder why the repubs. aren't partiscan because most of the laws the Dems are proposing are advocated by these nut jobs. If the Democrats could follow Joe Lieberman's footsteps they'd be in a better spot then they are right now.

[gemosological]

Quoting ttriber, post #10:

This is coming from a Republican I want this country to thrive I know we have done some things I don't agree with but everytime I come here its the same ole sh*t with the Dems its always a blame game.

Judging by your sigline, ttriber, I'll assume you're a conservative- and probably a Bush supporting Republican and one that supports the war in Iraq. I saw your post a little while ago but didn't want to respond- until I saw this article from Reuters a few minutes after I saw your post. Here it is:

today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-11-01T233609Z_01_N01482026_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-IRAQ-BIOLOGICAL.xml

So, it appears that Bush&CO and all those that supported their desire to invade Iraq based their opinions, policies and beliefs in large part on the words of a thief, a liar and a fraud- a sleazeball drunkard who only said those things out of his own self interest so that he could be granted asylum. As a result we have seen thousands of our servicemen and women- not to mention God knows how many Iraqis- and the servicemen and women of our allies maimed or killed, our international reputation trashed, our good relations with Russia sullied, our country divided, al Qeada becoming stronger and our national prestige down the tubes. After reading that article can you understand why it is that the Democrats and liberals like myself tend to blame Bush&Co and all those that still continue to support them and their policies? Can you understand why the Democrats in Congress don't want to create or pass watered down "smooth" bills that would appeal to Bush- especially knowing now what some folks refused to see or acknowledge way back then? Sorry, ttriber, but I believe in laying the blame precisely where it belongs- and there is a heap of blame that deserves to be laid upon Bush&Co and those frightened enough, foolish enough or ignorant enough to have gone along with them. Bush&Co and all those that continue to support them have definitely earned their right to it and I for one will place that blame precisely where it belongs.

RRD
:-)[hr]Want to know what's really funny? The fact that I "assumed" you were a Republican and posted my response to you before I even noticed what your affiliation was, lol!

RRD
:-)

[Drocket]

The idea that the Democrats need to compromise is laughable. We're at the point we're at because the Democrats 'compromised' away 99.5% of their position, and the Republicans continue to refuse to budge on even that last little 0.5%. That's basically what Pelosi is whining about - how unfair it is that the Democrats have caved on one thing after another, and the Republicans refuse to even make an effort to compromise.

All you have to do is look at the Iraq funding for clear evidence of this: The Democrats gave Bush essentially everything he wanted, and all they asked for in return was a promise that Bush maybe possibly consider thinking about maybe winding things down in Iraq - not right NOW, of course, but, you know, eventually. Someday. Kinda give some thought to that. If he's not too busy. The Republicans did their usual, and immediately started screamed to the high heavens about how partisan the Democrats were being by making such outrageous demands, and Bush vetoed the bill. Then the Democrats did THEIR usual, folding instantly and giving Bush everything he wanted (which Bush repaid by whining about how unfair it was for the Democrats to delay funding for the war for the full 15 minutes it took him to find his veto pen.)

At least Pelosi isn't as bad as Reid: she's a spineless whiner, but Reid's a spineless whiner who keeps trying desperately to spin his failures into something to boast about, giving one long-winded speech after another about how he's forcing the Republicans to actually ask *twice* before giving them everything they want.

[nevadamedic]

Well, she's aware of it......what's she going to do about it? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_co/congress_pelosi_2)

Even Pelosi is disappointed in Congress
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 1, 4:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Add House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the list of Americans who
think Congress is doing a lousy job.

Hours after touting the Democratic-controlled Congress' achievements at a
ceremony on the Capitol steps Thursday, Pelosi confessed that she would give
the legislative body low marks if a pollster asked her.

"I know that Congress has low approval ratings," Pelosi, D-Calif., said at
her weekly news conference. "I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't
done anything that - we haven't been effective in ending the war in Iraq.
And if you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would
disapprove of Congress as well."

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame. She noted that Bush has vetoed Democratic-led efforts to
wind down the war, expand a children's health program and broaden stem cell
research.

In the October AP-Ipsos poll, Americans gave Congress a 22 percent approval
rating, the lowest score since the poll began in late 2003.

Pelosi, who became speaker in January, found some rays of sunlight among the
clouds. She cited a new Pew Research Center survey in which 44 percent of
those polled said the Democratic Party can better manage the federal
government, while 32 percent chose the Republican Party.

"I'm very proud of what we have done," Pelosi said. The key to boosting her
party's image, she said, is "to get through the fog of war, because there is
no question that the war in Iraq has eclipsed much of what we have done."


Nothing, as usual. Maybe take another trip against the approval of the White House or try to give criminals citizenship.

[gemosological]

Well, she's aware of it......what's she going to do about it? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_co/congress_pelosi_2)

Even Pelosi is disappointed in Congress
By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer Thu Nov 1, 4:21 PM ET

WASHINGTON - Add House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to the list of Americans who
think Congress is doing a lousy job.

Hours after touting the Democratic-controlled Congress' achievements at a
ceremony on the Capitol steps Thursday, Pelosi confessed that she would give
the legislative body low marks if a pollster asked her.

"I know that Congress has low approval ratings," Pelosi, D-Calif., said at
her weekly news conference. "I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't
done anything that - we haven't been effective in ending the war in Iraq.
And if you asked me in a phone call, as ardent a Democrat as I am, I would
disapprove of Congress as well."

Not surprisingly, Pelosi said President Bush and his Republican allies are
mostly to blame. She noted that Bush has vetoed Democratic-led efforts to
wind down the war, expand a children's health program and broaden stem cell
research.

In the October AP-Ipsos poll, Americans gave Congress a 22 percent approval
rating, the lowest score since the poll began in late 2003.

Pelosi, who became speaker in January, found some rays of sunlight among the
clouds. She cited a new Pew Research Center survey in which 44 percent of
those polled said the Democratic Party can better manage the federal
government, while 32 percent chose the Republican Party.

"I'm very proud of what we have done," Pelosi said. The key to boosting her
party's image, she said, is "to get through the fog of war, because there is
no question that the war in Iraq has eclipsed much of what we have done."


Nothing, as usual. Maybe take another trip against the approval of the White House or try to give criminals citizenship.


Interesting that you should post that, NevadaMedic. Especially since we're discussing whining and blaming at the moment, lol!

RRD
:madlaugh:

[Labrocca]

So Drocket...the thread is about Pelosi and the dissapproval in congress and your response is diatribe that it's the Republicans fault? It's the Republicans...It's the Republicans...Bush did it...Bush did it.. whine whine whine...

How about an honest statement criticizing the poor job Pelosi is doing?

Greatest Pelosi quote ever...

"I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't done anything...

[gemosological]

So Drocket...the thread is about Pelosi and the dissapproval in congress and your response is diatribe that it's the Republicans fault? It's the Republicans...It's the Republicans...Bush did it...Bush did it.. whine whine whine...

How about an honest statement criticizing the poor job Pelosi is doing?

Greatest Pelosi quote ever...

"I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't done anything...


Did you read the article I linked in post #17 yet, Labrocca? Or my comments concerning what's been revealed in that article and who deserves to be blamed and why?

RRD
:D

[Drocket]

So Drocket...the thread is about Pelosi and the dissapproval in congress and your response is diatribe that it's the Republicans fault?

That was a criticism of the Democrats: they need to grow a spine stop caving into the Republicans on everything, and especially stop whining about how the Republicans are big meanies who will say bad things about them if the Democrats try to stop them. The fact that the Democrats don't get that the Republicans will say bad things ANYWAY still hasn't sunk in for them...

[gemosological]

So Drocket...the thread is about Pelosi and the dissapproval in congress and your response is diatribe that it's the Republicans fault?

That was a criticism of the Democrats: they need to grow a spine stop caving into the Republicans on everything, and especially stop whining about how the Republicans are big meanies who will say bad things about them if the Democrats try to stop them. The fact that the Democrats don't get that the Republicans will say bad things ANYWAY still hasn't sunk in for them...


I agree and I've said as much in my own emails to my Congressmen. I can understand why the Dems in Congress are willing to compromise though- it's better to get at least some of what you want by backing down a bit rather than standing your ground and not getting anything at all. And without enough power to override a veto the Dems are pretty much stuck in that position.

RRD
:)

[Labrocca]

Well..at least you guys are sensical. One thing is that Dems in congress should be fearful of getting voted out. With such low approval numbers even if Dems stay in power there is no guarantee the current senators will stay. And wouldn't the low numbers be a wake up call? If I was in congress I would bite my teeth and say dammit...I have to get something done and soon. Get something done Pelosi...that's all I am saying.

The blame game only gets you so far. It got them elected but now they have the ball. They need to shoot or pass and not dribble all day.

[Drocket]

I can understand why the Dems in Congress are willing to compromise though- it's better to get at least some of what you want by backing down a bit rather than standing your ground and not getting anything at all.

Compromise is a fine thing, but the thing of it, you need to start by actually asking for what you want, then negotiate from there. The Democrats start by figuring out what the other guy might actually offer, then negotiate down from there.

Rough analogy: selling a used car worth about $5000:

Correct way:

Seller: I'll sell it to you for $7,000.
Buyer: No way! $3,000 tops!
Seller: Ok, $6,500.
Buyer: I MIGHT go as high as $4,000, but that's it.
*Continued negotiation, resulting in the car being sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000*


Democratic way:

Democrat: (*Hmm, well, it's worth about $5,000, so I can't possibly ask for more than that. He's probably not going to want to pay quite that much, though, and I really do want to sell the car...*)
Democrat: I'll sell it to you for $4,000
Republican: Screw you! I'll take it off your hands, but you'll have to pay me $100.
Democrat: What? That's totally ridiculous. I'll sell it to you for $2000.
Republican: You're a cheat! A cheat! Hey everyone, this guy's a cheat!
Democrat: Hey, that's not nice! $500 and not a dime less!
Republican: You're a cheat! However, I'm in a very generous mood, so I'll accept a mere $75 to take it off your hands.
*Continued negotiations, resulting in the Republican getting the car for free. Harry Reid gives a long, boring speech declaring victory by having saved $100 that the Republicans originally wanted.*

[ECW]

So Drocket...the thread is about Pelosi and the dissapproval in congress and your response is diatribe that it's the Republicans fault? It's the Republicans...It's the Republicans...Bush did it...Bush did it.. whine whine whine...

How about an honest statement criticizing the poor job Pelosi is doing?

Greatest Pelosi quote ever...

"I don't approve of Congress, because we haven't done anything...


I'm glad to see that Speaker Pelosi read my thread about why I was pissed at the Democrats. (http://www.democracyforums.com/showthread.php?tid=8813) I posted it ten days ago.

I blame George Bush for his bullshit lies about wanting to work with Congress when all he wants is to get his way 100% of the time like he did with the last three congresses.

I blame Nancy Pelosi for not holding his feet to the fire and do what she (and the rest of Congress) was elected to do last November. End the war. Bring health care to 48 million Americans who do not have it. Improve NCLB. Balance the budget and stop the fiscal hemmoraging started with ill-advised tax cuts seven years ago.

Blamocrats. Blamocons. All the same.

[gemosological]

I can understand why the Dems in Congress are willing to compromise though- it's better to get at least some of what you want by backing down a bit rather than standing your ground and not getting anything at all.

Compromise is a fine thing, but the thing of it, you need to start by actually asking for what you want, then negotiate from there. The Democrats start by figuring out what the other guy might actually offer, then negotiate down from there.

Rough analogy: selling a used car worth about $5000:

Correct way:

Seller: I'll sell it to you for $7,000.
Buyer: No way! $3,000 tops!
Seller: Ok, $6,500.
Buyer: I MIGHT go as high as $4,000, but that's it.
*Continued negotiation, resulting in the car being sold for somewhere in the neighborhood of $5,000*


Democratic way:

Democrat: (*Hmm, well, it's worth about $5,000, so I can't possibly ask for more than that. He's probably not going to want to pay quite that much, though, and I really do want to sell the car...*)
Democrat: I'll sell it to you for $4,000
Republican: Screw you! I'll take it off your hands, but you'll have to pay me $100.
Democrat: What? That's totally ridiculous. I'll sell it to you for $2000.
Republican: You're a cheat! A cheat! Hey everyone, this guy's a cheat!
Democrat: Hey, that's not nice! $500 and not a dime less!
Republican: You're a cheat! However, I'm in a very generous mood, so I'll accept a mere $75 to take it off your hands.
*Continued negotiations, resulting in the Republican getting the car for free. Harry Reid gives a long, boring speech declaring victory by having saved $100 that the Republicans originally wanted.*


Well, that's an interesting way of looking at it but I don't think it's quite that bad. But I will admit that I am disappointed that the Democrats haven't repudiated the WH or the Republicans in stronger terms. Personally, though, I think the whole problem started when statesmen started disappearing and politicians arrived to replace them. Too bad we don't have a system where the Congresspeople would be honor-bound to vote the way their constituents want them to vote, would have the final say on any and all legislation that the Congresspeople pass and where, with a vote of no confidence a politician- or even a president- could be removed from office at any time. But such a system could be dangerous- and would be far too democratic and would grant far too much power to "We, the People" for the powers that be.

RRD
:)

[Wndrtch]

Well, she's aware of it......what's she going to do about it? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_on_go_co/congress_pelosi_2)

...have Woopie whip her for being a bad-girl. :ecstatic:

http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/1001/101501pelosinancy.jpg

[BoogyMan]

A blamocrat.


Given your new definition, here is another one, the Blamocon. Because that is exactly what the Republicans have done with this war in the Iraq is blame the Dems for it. Blamocon it is :)


I sure hope you will explain this one El. I don't see a lot of my contemporaries laying blame at the feet of the democrats.

[Labrocca]

A blamocrat.


Given your new definition, here is another one, the Blamocon. Because that is exactly what the Republicans have done with this war in the Iraq is blame the Dems for it. Blamocon it is :)


I sure hope you will explain this one El. I don't see a lot of my contemporaries laying blame at the feet of the democrats.



I don't either...I think it's a stretch of the imagination but not nearly as good as this one:

Democratic way:

Democrat: (*Hmm, well, it's worth about $5,000, so I can't possibly ask for more than that. He's probably not going to want to pay quite that much, though, and I really do want to sell the car...*)
Democrat: I'll sell it to you for $4,000
Republican: Screw you! I'll take it off your hands, but you'll have to pay me $100.
Democrat: What? That's totally ridiculous. I'll sell it to you for $2000.
Republican: You're a cheat! A cheat! Hey everyone, this guy's a cheat!
Democrat: Hey, that's not nice! $500 and not a dime less!
Republican: You're a cheat! However, I'm in a very generous mood, so I'll accept a mere $75 to take it off your hands.
*Continued negotiations, resulting in the Republican getting the car for free. Harry Reid gives a long, boring speech declaring victory by having saved $100 that the Republicans originally wanted.*

Rather cute really. btw...that car wasn't worth $5000 to begin with...the entire time Republicans were just pulling your leg.

[ttriber]

Quoting ttriber, post #10:

This is coming from a Republican I want this country to thrive I know we have done some things I don't agree with but everytime I come here its the same ole sh*t with the Dems its always a blame game.

Judging by your sigline, ttriber, I'll assume you're a conservative- and probably a Bush supporting Republican and one that supports the war in Iraq. I saw your post a little while ago but didn't want to respond- until I saw this article from Reuters a few minutes after I saw your post. Here it is:

today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2007-11-01T233609Z_01_N01482026_RTRUKOC_0_US-USA-IRAQ-BIOLOGICAL.xml

So, it appears that Bush&CO and all those that supported their desire to invade Iraq based their opinions, policies and beliefs in large part on the words of a thief, a liar and a fraud- a sleazeball drunkard who only said those things out of his own self interest so that he could be granted asylum. As a result we have seen thousands of our servicemen and women- not to mention God knows how many Iraqis- and the servicemen and women of our allies maimed or killed, our international reputation trashed, our good relations with Russia sullied, our country divided, al Qeada becoming stronger and our national prestige down the tubes. After reading that article can you understand why it is that the Democrats and liberals like myself tend to blame Bush&Co and all those that still continue to support them and their policies? Can you understand why the Democrats in Congress don't want to create or pass watered down "smooth" bills that would appeal to Bush- especially knowing now what some folks refused to see or acknowledge way back then? Sorry, ttriber, but I believe in laying the blame precisely where it belongs- and there is a heap of blame that deserves to be laid upon Bush&Co and those frightened enough, foolish enough or ignorant enough to have gone along with them. Bush&Co and all those that continue to support them have definitely earned their right to it and I for one will place that blame precisely where it belongs.

RRD
:-)[hr]Want to know what's really funny? The fact that I "assumed" you were a Republican and posted my response to you before I even noticed what your affiliation was, lol!

RRD
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Didn't now your now a Comedian want an award? Haha Real funny guy get your act together my friend.