Fred Thompson is "aged" and "old"...

[Deadshot]

If this were said about Fred Thompson, would you take this as a positive, negative or neutral comment about him?

[BoogyMan]

This is funny, sad, and desperate, all at the same time DS.

You know that your buddies will vote as instructed. :madlaugh:

Aged and old are not bad words, but you go right ahead and try to make them be such. LOL

[Buck Laser]

I voted "negative," not because I think Thompson is too old, but because I think he lacks the energy and possibly the intellect to do the job. Age is a pretty subjective factor: some people actually continue developing intellect and leadership abilities throughout their lives, and some grow and change throughout their careers. Whatever else he was, Nixon was extremely intelligent, and I think he called Thompson right--something along the lines of he was likable, but not very bright.

I don't worry about Thompson slipping into senility as I would with McCain, though.

[ViolaLee]

This is funny, sad, and desperate, all at the same time DS.

You know that your buddies will vote as instructed. :madlaugh:

Aged and old are not bad words, but you go right ahead and try to make them be such. LOL
You're wrong boogy. Herding democrats is like herding cats. We don't all lockstep like republicans and repeat talking points. We read and research and learn and that's where we get our facts and opinions.

And reality has a well-known liberal bias - Colbert.

Old and aged is a negative. We need a smart youthful, strong President.

[BoogyMan]

Thanks for validating my assertion Viola! :D

[Truth_and_Power]

Fred thompson is "unqualified"

[Buck Laser]

This is funny, sad, and desperate, all at the same time DS.

You know that your buddies will vote as instructed. :madlaugh:

Aged and old are not bad words, but you go right ahead and try to make them be such. LOL


Again a snarky comment directed at us liberals, Boogy. I have an entirely different reason for opposing Ol' Fred. It's called stupidity--on his part, lest you jump to another of your "conclusions." :madlaugh:

[BoogyMan]

Again a snarky comment directed at us liberals, Boogy. I have an entirely different reason for opposing Ol' Fred. It's called stupidity--on his part, lest you jump to another of your "conclusions." :madlaugh:


Yeah Buck, you guys never take a snarky shot at us conservatives. :D

Isn't the "stupidity" claim a liberal standby? I do believe it gets trotted out for just about every conservative candidate.

[Scorpion]

After the mediocrity of the rest of the Republican field Fred Thompson finally entered the race. I like his style, position and abilities.

Fred is my choice in 2008!

[PatrickHenry]

After the mediocrity of the rest of the Republican field Fred Thompson finally entered the race. I like his style, position and abilities.

Fred is my choice in 2008!
I don't favor actors for President. I would rather have someone with his own ideas and strong leadership than someone who is trained to look good and enunciate from a script someone else wrote.

Let's don't have Fred be president.

[AlonzoMourning23]

Thompson reminds me of bush. We all saw what happened with bush and his "I don't wanna have to do stuff!" cry, do we really need 4 more years of that?

[AnnEsthesia]

After the mediocrity of the rest of the Republican field Fred Thompson finally entered the race. I like his style, position and abilities.

Fred is my choice in 2008!
I don't favor actors for President. I would rather have someone with his own ideas and strong leadership than someone who is trained to look good and enunciate from a script someone else wrote.

Let's don't have Fred be president.


Well, here is a positive for you: When Thompson says what his handlers tell him to say, at least he won't end up sounding stupid the way Bush constantly does. If there is one thing we can count on from Thompson, it is that he will be able to deliver his lines!

[Scorpion]

After the mediocrity of the rest of the Republican field Fred Thompson finally entered the race. I like his style, position and abilities.

Fred is my choice in 2008!
I don't favor actors for President. I would rather have someone with his own ideas and strong leadership than someone who is trained to look good and enunciate from a script someone else wrote.

Let's don't have Fred be president.


Hello PH:

I don't understand your assertion that an actor cannot also be an exceptional political leader. Ronald Reagan is an obvious example.

That said, Fred Thompson, at least in my humble estimation, has some unique and plausible ideas and he exudes leadership qualities.

[Buck Laser]

Again a snarky comment directed at us liberals, Boogy. I have an entirely different reason for opposing Ol' Fred. It's called stupidity--on his part, lest you jump to another of your "conclusions." :madlaugh:


Yeah Buck, you guys never take a snarky shot at us conservatives. :D

Isn't the "stupidity" claim a liberal standby? I do believe it gets trotted out for just about every conservative candidate.

No, Boogy. Giuliani isn't stupid. Romney isn't stupid. Huckabee isn't stupid. Probably Paul isn't stupid. I don't know much about the others, like Tancredo and Hunter. Even Alan Keyes isn't stupid, although I consider him a lowlife. But Ol' Fred IS stupid. How is that a blanket claim? Like I said, it's not about age with him--but with McCain, it's definitely about age and the hard miles.

[AnnEsthesia]

Oh Buck, you know he will just come back and say that 'you guys' was not meant as 'you, Buck' and that you are just being a big meanie to him. ;)

[lily]

Of course it's a negative. Reagan made sure people saw him in the hospital window after he was shot. Bush cycles to show his fitness. How could being called aged and old be considered something positive? Hell.......he even went out and got himself a young bride to wear on his arm.

[PatrickHenry]

Hello PH:

I don't understand your assertion that an actor cannot also be an exceptional political leader. Ronald Reagan is an obvious example.

That said, Fred Thompson, at least in my humble estimation, has some unique and plausible ideas and he exudes leadership qualities.

Yeah, Scorp. I knew somebody was gonna say that about RR.

But see... I didn't really like him either. 'Course, that was in an era when I was a working-class Democrat, who found fault with the owning-class greed. Hmm...I guess I still do, though I am no Democrat anymore.

I won't launch into my objections to Saint Ronnie here (off-topic) but I still want someone who is thoughtful and understands that politics is about serving people, not corporations. About government doing the least that is necessary, not building higher and higher edifices of control.

Has Thompson said anything about reducing the size and scope of the Federal establishment?

[Buck Laser]

Oh Buck, you know he will just come back and say that 'you guys' was not meant as 'you, Buck' and that you are just being a big meanie to him. ;)


Yeah, I know. He'd have made a good scholar in the middle ages, trying to figure out how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. :peace: But it is fun to diddle him a bit. [Yeah, I know he wasn't diddled a bit, but let's pretend! :lmao:]

[Elrathin]

Sorry Boogy but in the context of someone who is running for president Aged and Old is a negative when describing them.

Now seriously Boogy, do you see a person running campaign ads emphasizing that they are old or aged or do you see them emphasizing that they have experience?

[BoogyMan]

Sorry Boogy but in the context of someone who is running for president Aged and Old is a negative when describing them.

Now seriously Boogy, do you see a person running campaign ads emphasizing that they are old or aged or do you see them emphasizing that they have experience?


LOL, El this thread is a product of DS trying to claim that I asserted Thompson was incompetent because I said he was old in the other Thompson thread. I made no such assertion. Saying someone is old or aged does NOT mean they are incompetent.

I am savoring the hypocrisy of the "open minded" left espousing ageism here.

[Elrathin]

Saying someone is old or aged does NOT mean they are incompetent.


Well it sure isn't a compliment for someone running for president, that's for sure.

[Deadshot]

Saying someone is old or aged does NOT mean they are incompetent.


Well it sure isn't a compliment for someone running for president, that's for sure.


Which is exactly my point, one that is lost on Boogy.

If this were a campaign that we were all involved in and my campaign said that Boogy didn't mean that to say what he said, which is the thread where this all started, because he was "Aged" and "old", as Boogy referred to Thompson, all hell would break loose.

The next day, maybe even the next week, Boogy would be shown doing "youthful" things. Boogy and his campaign would be striving to repel the image of being aged and old.

If a RED like Boogy thinks Thompson is like the Crypt Keeper, that's to old a Prez for me

[Labrocca]

I can't see how the terms "old" or "aged" are positive to any candidate for president. Thompson is behind...if he moves up it won't be because of his youthful exhuberance but instead because of his aged experience.

[Buck Laser]

I can't see how the terms "old" or "aged" are positive to any candidate for president. Thompson is behind...if he moves up it won't be because of his youthful exhuberance but instead because of his aged experience.

If Jimmy Carter were running for president at his current age, I'd vote for him in a New York minute. I know a lot of people dislike Carter, but the point is that for him, age equals both growth and wisdom. I don't see any indication that Fred has gotten smarter as he's aged.

[Deadshot]

Gotta love the survey feature. Labrocca voting on the Negative pretty much affirms my argument.

Ah well, one day the Right will learn that words have meaning.

[BoogyMan]

LOL, DS, read his commetary above your post.

Your argument is one that you made up to hold up instead of dealing with the discussion at hand in the other Thompson thread. The terms aged and old are not bad things, and they give us a possibility of why he used the term "kids" in his commentary.

You are arguing with yourself and supporting your argument with the votes of those you knew would agree with you no matter what you said.

I originally pointed out that this was funny, sad, and desperate all at the same time, and I was right.

[Elrathin]

So Boogy, if you think aged and old is not a bad thing, why do we NEVER see those being used as descriptors for presidential candidates in their ads that they do for themselves? Maybe because it isn't a compliment?

[BoogyMan]

So Boogy, if you think aged and old is not a bad thing, why do we NEVER see those being used as descriptors for presidential candidates in their ads that they do for themselves? Maybe because it isn't a compliment?


DS is the one who took this to whether or not those terms are a compliment, and it has apparently been a pretty good strawman as you guys have seized upon it and taken the discussion completely away from what the topic at hand, which was simply showing that since those about whom Thompson was speaking were 30 years his junior it was not out of line for him to use the term "kids."

Nice job.

[Scorpion]

So Boogy, if you think aged and old is not a bad thing, why do we NEVER see those being used as descriptors for presidential candidates in their ads that they do for themselves? Maybe because it isn't a compliment?


Hi El:

Probably for the same reason that we have laws forbidding age discrimination. Because it's just that, unfair discrimination.

[Deadshot]

So Boogy, if you think aged and old is not a bad thing, why do we NEVER see those being used as descriptors for presidential candidates in their ads that they do for themselves? Maybe because it isn't a compliment?


DS is the one who took this to whether or not those terms are a compliment, and it has apparently been a pretty good strawman as you guys have seized upon it and taken the discussion completely away from what the topic at hand, which was simply showing that since those about whom Thompson was speaking were 30 years his junior it was not out of line for him to use the term "kids."

Nice job.


Well it's you, Boogy, over the course of two thread that have had to explain yourself ad nauseum, not I.

Ah well, I've proven my point, over two posts. Words matter. One day you'll learn...

[Elrathin]

Hi El:

Probably for the same reason that we have laws forbidding age discrimination. Because it's just that, unfair discrimination.


I'm talking about the canddidate himself using that to describe himself in ads. You don't see that why? Because it would be insulting himself. That's my point. I understand why others don't use it against him, but if Boggy has said that it is not bad, then why don't the candidates use those terms to describe themselves.[hr]
DS is the one who took this to whether or not those terms are a compliment, and it has apparently been a pretty good strawman as you guys have seized upon it and taken the discussion completely away from what the topic at hand, which was simply showing that since those about whom Thompson was speaking were 30 years his junior it was not out of line for him to use the term "kids."

Nice job.


Boogy the topic of him calling 30 years old "kids" is a topic in another thread not this one. You said that aged and old is not a negative, but in fact when describing a presidential candiate, it actually is.

If you wish to discuss him calling some terrorists kids, well there is already a thread on that isn't there?

[BoogyMan]

Boogy the topic of him calling 30 years old "kids" is a topic in another thread not this one. You said that aged and old is not a negative, but in fact when describing a presidential candiate, it actually is.

If you wish to discuss him calling some terrorists kids, well there is already a thread on that isn't there?



El, DS started this thread as an offshoot from that discussion.

Flail that strawman guys, flail it.

[Elrathin]

El, DS started this thread as an offshoot from that discussion.

Flail that strawman guys, flail it.


And in this thread it is not a straw man.

You have serveral times in THIS thread say that Aged and Old is not a negative thing to say about Thompson. I'm sorry but it is.

It is only a strawman if you are combining threads, which they are not combined by any means. I'm taking this thread as its own and in this thread you said aged and old are not negatives in describing a presidential candidate, and I'm sorry you are wrong.

If you want to call this argument a strawman in the other thread, fine, but this thread alone has merits.

[Deadshot]

Hence the reason I started this new thread...

[Scorpion]

Hi El:

Probably for the same reason that we have laws forbidding age discrimination. Because it's just that, unfair discrimination.


I'm talking about the canddidate himself using that to describe himself in ads. You don't see that why? Because it would be insulting himself. That's my point. I understand why others don't use it against him, but if Boggy has said that it is not bad, then why don't the candidates use those terms to describe themselves.[hr]
DS is the one who took this to whether or not those terms are a compliment, and it has apparently been a pretty good strawman as you guys have seized upon it and taken the discussion completely away from what the topic at hand, which was simply showing that since those about whom Thompson was speaking were 30 years his junior it was not out of line for him to use the term "kids."

Nice job.


Boogy the topic of him calling 30 years old "kids" is a topic in another thread not this one. You said that aged and old is not a negative, but in fact when describing a presidential candiate, it actually is.

If you wish to discuss him calling some terrorists kids, well there is already a thread on that isn't there?



Hi El:

Candidates don't speak about their age for the same reason that they don't speak about hair color, eye color, height, weight, penis size or breast size. Because it's irrelevant as long as the candidate is healthy. Ronald Reagan was an excellent example.

[Deadshot]

Scorp, that is true. But Boogy described Thompson as "aged" and "old", and those aren't positive remarks.

Boogy thinks that, at best, they are Neutral remarks. Most of us disagree. To be described or thought of as "aged" or "old" is not a positve thing.

Dat's all I'm saying.

One other thing, for Boogy. You commented on how this is simply a strawman and how I did this to pander to the left. Look at the voting above. Two Con/Rep take the words as a Positive, two as a Negative (Labrocca and Jaaman) and one person, you, as a Neutral. Whereas all but one Liberal sees it as a Negative. Any politician will tell you that a message that is confusing is a bad one. Saying someone is "aged" and "old" here at DF is a confusing message for the Right.

[Scorpion]

Scorp, that is true. But Boogy described Thompson as "aged" and "old", and those aren't positive remarks.

Boogy thinks that, at best, they are Neutral remarks. Most of us disagree. To be described or thought of as "aged" or "old" is not a positve thing.

Dat's all I'm saying.


Thanks DS and I understand your intentions.

In this case I tend to agree with Boogy. It's my opinion that calling someone aged and old is neutral. I'm 56. I've been called old and aged and I take such comments as merely an observation and not a slight. But then, that's me. Others may feel differently.

I must say, this is an interesting discussion.

I

[lily]

In this case I tend to agree with Boogy. It's my opinion that calling someone aged and old is neutral. I'm 56. I've been called old and aged and I take such comments as merely an observation and not a slight. But then, that's me. Others may feel differently.

I must say, this is an interesting discussion.

I


The difference is you are not running for president. If you use those words in a campaign add.......people would be voting for who they want as vice-president to replace you.

[Labrocca]

Thompson being labelled old or aged is the same as Hillary being labelled a woman.

It's pathetic undermining of the person by creating a negative image that is outside the issues.

His age is not a factor for those voting the issues. If you don't think Thompson can win because he is old then Hillary can't as woman nor can Obama as a black. I guess that leaves ...ugh...Edwards?

[AnnEsthesia]

Yea um... being a woman has never made someone unfit to hold office. Being aged and (potentially) infirm would.

And yes, a candidate's age *is* an issue. You will never see a 90 year old president because it is far better to have a younger more vital person in the president position.

[Labrocca]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_age

Oldest president was Reagan. He didn't do so bad did he?

Thompson would be 65 at inauguration and the 4th oldest president elected.

Old isn't senile and if there was a kick ass 90 year old that was great on issues I would vote them in. Of course I would be hoping their VP was solid.

Also the poll is misleading. It doesn't ask if I believe Thomspon to be old ..I don't. I view him as experienced. You might as well as this:

"Fred Thompson is "dead" and "buried"...would you take these comments to be..."

Why would anyone take that type of connotation as anything but negative? However...it's not an accurate description of Thompson.

If this were said about Fred Thompson, would you take this as a positive, negative or neutral comment about him?

IF THIS WERE SAID...not that is hasn't but not by mainstream media and I have yet to see a poll stating that most believe him to be too old.

One google search and this pops up.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/is_thompson_too.php

I guess the Dems will go as low as they can. I think the Dems said the same crap about Reagan if my memory serves correct.

[Drocket]

I think the Dems said the same crap about Reagan if my memory serves correct.

Considering Reagan didn't seem to have any idea what what going on at any point during his tenure as president, they kind of had a point... To give Reagan his due, even if he wasn't capable of remembering minor details like authorizing the illegal sale of weapons to terrorists, he was at least capable of giving a decent speech, something Thompson hasn't done yet.

Come on, can I get some applause?

[BoogyMan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Presidents_by_age

Oldest president was Reagan. He didn't do so bad did he?

Thompson would be 65 at inauguration and the 4th oldest president elected.

Old isn't senile and if there was a kick ass 90 year old that was great on issues I would vote them in. Of course I would be hoping their VP was solid.

Also the poll is misleading. It doesn't ask if I believe Thomspon to be old ..I don't. I view him as experienced. You might as well as this:

"Fred Thompson is "dead" and "buried"...would you take these comments to be..."

Why would anyone take that type of connotation as anything but negative? However...it's not an accurate description of Thompson.

If this were said about Fred Thompson, would you take this as a positive, negative or neutral comment about him?

IF THIS WERE SAID...not that is hasn't but not by mainstream media and I have yet to see a poll stating that most believe him to be too old.

One google search and this pops up.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/is_thompson_too.php

I guess the Dems will go as low as they can. I think the Dems said the same crap about Reagan if my memory serves correct.


Some truly excellent thoughts Labrocca!

This whole thing boils down to DS trying to twist my line of argumentation from another thread for his own ends here so that he can use the disingenuous tactic of pitting forum participants against his strawman version of my argument and then holding it up as if it represented what was originally said.

Every typical left wing canard has been pulled out with regard to Thompson. I have heard that he is too old, that he is stupid, even that he is "ugly Fred."

[Elrathin]

One google search and this pops up.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/is_thompson_too.php

I guess the Dems will go as low as they can. I think the Dems said the same crap about Reagan if my memory serves correct.


About the article they are asking the question "Is he too old for this?" in regards to campaigning. And they have a point, you have to have a certain appeal and enthusiasm to the people and I just haven't seen that with Thompson.

Look at Ron Paul, a complete opposite as far as enthusiasm goes in campaigning compared to Thompson. Paul has Ethusiasm pouring out of him on the campaign trail, yet I don't see age as a factor with him as I do with Thompson.

Sorry guys, but this is yet another spin from Republicans that is going nowhere.

[Buck Laser]

One google search and this pops up.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/is_thompson_too.php

I guess the Dems will go as low as they can. I think the Dems said the same crap about Reagan if my memory serves correct.


About the article they are asking the question "Is he too old for this?" in regards to campaigning. And they have a point, you have to have a certain appeal and enthusiasm to the people and I just haven't seen that with Thompson.

Look at Ron Paul, a complete opposite as far as enthusiasm goes in campaigning compared to Thompson. Paul has Ethusiasm pouring out of him on the campaign trail, yet I don't see age as a factor with him as I do with Thompson.

Sorry guys, but this is yet another spin from Republicans that is going nowhere.

You're right, of course. While republicans complain about "political correctness," they get all pushed out of shape when someone suggests what might be a stereotypical negative about one of their people. My problem with Thompson isn't his age, but his intellect. Judging by his lackadaisical performance as a campaigner could very well suggest that he lacks the energy and drive to do the job.

Naturally, Labrocca and Boogy will just accuse me of spouting more "hate speech," because they seem to be on a train of thought that dismisses anything negative about a candidate as mud slinging. I've already said that I consider McCain too old, and I've laid out specific reasons. I see no way that it could legitimately be called hate speech. At 72, I know I wouldn't have the stamina to make a run, though I don't think my mind has slipped. (And yes, I realize that gives everybody a chance to pile on me! :lmao:)

Another thing I find interesting here is that some conservatives are looking for Affirmative Action for the geriatric population. :madlaugh:

[lily]

Oldest president was Reagan. He didn't do so bad did he?

Again I point out, that when he was shot, he made damned sure that the public saw him up and alert. You saw him on horseback, with his perfect black hair. Age does make a difference. You also agreed somewhat with me, that you'd be looking pretty close at who the VP was if the candidate was old.


IF THIS WERE SAID...not that is hasn't but not by mainstream media and I have yet to see a poll stating that most believe him to be too old.

One google search and this pops up.

http://www.democrats.org/a/2007/09/is_thompson_too.php

......and there are plenty of other articles out there, showing that he either just doesn't have the gumption to campaign, or he just really doesn't care. Neither of which are qualities I would want in a president.[hr]


This whole thing boils down to DS trying to twist my line of argumentation from another thread for his own ends here so that he can use the disingenuous tactic of pitting forum participants against his strawman version of my argument and then holding it up as if it represented what was originally said.

Every typical left wing canard has been pulled out with regard to Thompson. I have heard that he is too old, that he is stupid, even that he is "ugly Fred."


Boogy...........THIS IS TWO SEPERATE THREADS. Please stop trying to bring that debate over here.

[Labrocca]

Naturally, Labrocca and Boogy will just accuse me of spouting more "hate speech," because they seem to be on a train of thought that dismisses anything negative about a candidate as mud slinging.

Why? Because we don't agree that Thompson is too old?

You're right, of course. While republicans complain about "political correctness," they get all pushed out of shape when someone suggests what might be a stereotypical negative about one of their people.

I hope you aren't talking about me? I am independent and seriously considering voting for Hillary.

As an "old guy" yourself Buck I would think you would be more defending of it's use to attack Thompson. Are you OK with us dismissing your posts because well..."you're just that old guy"? I kind of doubt it.

If you want to call Thompson names ....go right ahead. Call him lazy...it's accurate. Call him dumb...might also be true. But for pete's sake...the guys age shouldn't be that much of a factor.

......and there are plenty of other articles out there, showing that he either just doesn't have the gumption to campaign, or he just really doesn't care. Neither of which are qualities I would want in a president.

I agree..the perception is that he tires easily and is lazy about campaigning. He just doesn't have the reserves to go the distance against any Dems imho for a presidential race.

[Scorpion]

Every typical left wing canard has been pulled out with regard to Thompson. I have heard that he is too old, that he is stupid, even that he is "ugly Fred."


It's true Boogy. The left is only doing what it does best. Slinging shit around. The problem for them is that alot of it is blowing back in their faces.

[Elrathin]

It's true Boogy. The left is only doing what it does best. Slinging shit around. The problem for them is that alot of it is blowing back in their faces.


I agree, however, don't even pretend the Right is being a bunch of perfect little angels in regards to the dem candidates.

[lily]

Every typical left wing canard has been pulled out with regard to Thompson. I have heard that he is too old, that he is stupid, even that he is "ugly Fred."


It's true Boogy. The left is only doing what it does best. Slinging shit around. The problem for them is that alot of it is blowing back in their faces.


Psssttt......Scorpion.......you do realize that it was Boogy's argument that he's old enough to call 30 year old kids........right?

[Buck Laser]

As an "old guy" yourself Buck I would think you would be more defending of it's use to attack Thompson. Are you OK with us dismissing your posts because well..."you're just that old guy"? I kind of doubt it.

If you want to call Thompson names ....go right ahead. Call him lazy...it's accurate. Call him dumb...might also be true. But for pete's sake...the guys age shouldn't be that much of a factor.

I think you're misreading what I said, Labrocca. I never suggested that age was an important factor with Thompson. My main concern with him has to do with his intellect. What I suggested is that some conservatives seem to be so offended that people pointed out Thompson's age is that it seems as if some republicans want Affirmative Action for geezers.

And again, I DO worry about McCain's age because of the hard miles he's had. But whether someone is "too old" depends on a lot of things other than the calendar. That should be obvious.[hr]

Every typical left wing canard has been pulled out with regard to Thompson. I have heard that he is too old, that he is stupid, even that he is "ugly Fred."


It's true Boogy. The left is only doing what it does best. Slinging shit around. The problem for them is that alot of it is blowing back in their faces.

Umm, I s'pose I'm the one who used "ugly Fred," but I didn't know it was a left wing canard. I just think he's ugly. If that's shit slinging, then maybe we should talk about the fat, ugly Hillary stuff. But let the record show that I'm not the one who's been arguing that Thompson's too old.