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lily
10-30-2007, 09:03 PM
We need change and someone that will uphold the law. Obviously Mykasey is not it. (http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/30/democrats.mukasey/index.html)

Leading 2008 Democrats come out against attorney general nominee


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The three leading Democratic presidential candidates
announced Tuesday they will oppose President Bush's nomination for attorney
general, citing his recent testimony on torture and executive power.


Retired Judge Michael Mukasey was nominated to replace former Attorney
General Alberto Gonzales.


Retired Judge Michael Mukasey was nominated by President Bush to replace
Alberto Gonzales, who stepped down last month amid controversy.

Earlier this month, Mukasey's refusal to directly disavow waterboarding and
other interrogation techniques frustrated Senate Democrats during
confirmation hearings.

"After the dismal performance of the last attorney general, I had hoped that
Judge Michael Mukasey would represent a badly needed change in direction for
the Justice Department and the nation," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, said
in a written statement. "But his testimony before the Senate was stunning.

"While his legal credentials are strong, his views on two critical and
related matters are, in my view, disqualifying," Obama said. "We don't need
another attorney general who believes that the president enjoys an unwritten
right to secretly ignore any law or abridge our constitutional freedoms
simply by invoking national security.

"And we don't need another attorney general who looks the other way on
issues as profound as torture," said Obama, who called the nominee's
"ignorance" of the debate over waterboarding and other interrogation
techniques "appalling."

On the heels of the Obama announcement, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York and
former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina made their own similar
announcements.

"I am deeply troubled by Judge Mukasey's continued unwillingness to clearly
state his views on torture and unchecked executive power," Clinton said in a
written statement.

"After Alberto Gonzales' troubled tenure, we cannot send a signal that the
next attorney general in any way condones torture or believes that the
president is unconstrained by law."

Edwards' statement was issued about the same time.

"The credibility of the Justice Department has been badly tarnished, and it
is now clear that Mukasey is not the man to restore it. The Senate should
reject his nomination."

The statements came two days after another Democratic presidential nominee,
Sen. Chris Dodd, announced his plans to vote against Mukasey's confirmation
as attorney general, basing his decision on the nominee's contention that
the president can overrule a federal statute when the nation's defense is at
risk.

Dodd, of Connecticut, accused the Bush administration of having "trampled
all over the rule of law," and added, "I'm not about to confirm a nominee
that would continue that process here."
He said he was also bothered by the nominee's refusal to declare
waterboarding is a form of torture and U.S. interrogators should not use it,
but found Mukasey's comments on presidential powers more troubling.

Sen. John McCain, a Republican presidential candidate, told reporters he
disagrees with Mukasey over the waterboarding issue but may still vote to
confirm him.

Bush nominated the 66-year-old retired federal judge to replace Gonzales,
who resigned in September amid questions about his role in the 2006 firings
of eight U.S. attorneys and whether he misled Congress about the Bush
administration's no-warrant eavesdropping program.

The top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Arlen Specter of
Pennsylvania, has asked Mukasey to submit in writing information to clarify
his remarks to the committee.

Specter asked Mukasey to explain his answer to a question on whether a
president may legally authorize wiretaps that violate the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act, to which Mukasey responded by saying it
"would have to depend on whether what goes on outside the statute
nonetheless lies within the authority of the president to defend the
country."

Specter also asked Mukasey to "respond in detail as to your views on the
legality and propriety of waterboarding."

During his confirmation hearings earlier this month, Mukasey said he
believes torture violates the Constitution, but he refused to be pinned down
on whether he believes specific interrogation techniques, such as
waterboarding, are constitutional.

"I don't know what's involved in the techniques. If waterboarding is
torture, torture is not constitutional," he said.


Waterboarding was specifically prohibited in a law passed by Congress.

The Bush administration has declared that, while it does not torture
detainees, it won't reveal which interrogation techniques may be used.

JohnnyAwake
10-30-2007, 09:09 PM
If waterboarding is
torture, torture is not constitutional," he said.


What a way to avoid the question. "IF water boarding is torture". IF they cannot find answers that support their practices they simply reinvent the question.

ViolaLee
10-30-2007, 09:46 PM
Good for them! And good for Obama for speaking out first, so the other two could tag along ;)

Scorpion
10-30-2007, 09:55 PM
If waterboarding is
torture, torture is not constitutional," he said.


What a way to avoid the question. "IF water boarding is torture". IF they cannot find answers that support their practices they simply reinvent the question.


Avoid what? He answered the bloody question rationally and allowed that if waterboarding is torture then it is unlawful. What more would expect him to say? Right now the legislature can't agree on what constitutes torture so why should Mukasey be any more of an expert?[hr]
Good for them! And good for Obama for speaking out first, so the other two could tag along ;)


Yup, good for them. Once again, Obama takes a cheap shot at the administration and the liberal lemmings line up to jump off the cliff of functional ineffectiveness and absurdity right behind him. Strange that Obama criticizes Mukasey but offers no alternative appointee.

preservanation
10-30-2007, 10:58 PM
The result was a predictable one for this bitterly divided Congress. The House vote for a second SCHIP bill was a healthy majority, but not the two-thirds needed to override another veto vowed by President Bush. Only one Republican switched his vote — to oppose the measure.

Democrats accused Republicans of hurting kids. Republicans howled about a heavy-handed, uncompromising Democratic majority. And another chance at bipartisan consensus slipped away.

“They spent $1.5 million through their various shill outreach groups attacking me and a handful of my colleagues,” Rep. Ric Keller (R-Fla.) said before the Hoyer meeting, “but they did not spend five minutes to approach me to ask for my vote.”

This us-against-them mentality has been an ongoing storyline of the new Democratic*-controlled Congress. On the big items — Iraq, health care and spending — party leaders have shunned compromise.

Democrats are under tremendous pressure from liberal activists to take a hard-line approach against everything Bush. Republicans face similar pressure from their own base to stick with the president and prove they are serious about curtailing spending, even if it means less cash for a popular state-run health care program for children not covered by Medicaid.So much for compromise or ethics for that matter.
The dems have done nothing
We are still in Iraq and Bush or Cheney have not been impeached.
Good job!

lily
10-30-2007, 11:27 PM
Avoid what? He answered the bloody question rationally and allowed that if waterboarding is torture then it is unlawful. What more would expect him to say? Right now the legislature can't agree on what constitutes torture so why should Mukasey be any more of an expert?

Well......if he's going to be the Attorney General, he should know what he's talking about......it's not only waterboarding, it's his stance on FISA. Two of the things that Gonzales got in trouble for. Lindsey Graham and John McCain are also saying no to his nomination on the waterboarding issue. It's also not up to the legislature.........waterboarding is illegal under international law and considered torture.

Mukasey has to be very careful how he answers these quetions, unless we want to see people prosecuted.




Strange that Obama criticizes Mukasey but offers no alternative appointee.

Huh??????? When was it up to Obama to nominate and do you think Bush would actually listen to him?

JohnnyAwake
10-30-2007, 11:51 PM
The dems have done nothing
We are still in Iraq and Bush or Cheney have not been impeached.
Good job!


Well did you mail that letter to your Congress person yet? If not, good job! That is what it takes you know. You have to light a match under their ass if you want to see them dance.

I of coarse did.. But do I constitute 51 %?

preservanation
10-30-2007, 11:57 PM
I just want all you libs to stand up on your two legs, just as the conservatives should do.
Hope to meet you in battle, JBDog.
*pres*[hr]
I of coarse did.. But do I constitute 51 %?
None of us do., statistically speaking....

Scorpion
10-31-2007, 02:09 AM
Strange that Obama criticizes Mukasey but offers no alternative appointee.

Huh??????? When was it up to Obama to nominate and do you think Bush would actually listen to him?


It's just typical to criticize Bush, or in this case, one of his appointees without offering a reasonable alternative. Here's a guy who wants to be president and he can't even suggest a viable attorney general candidate. Who knows, Bush just might listen. But to suggest nothing accomplishes nothing expect promote the us v. them mentality.

lily
10-31-2007, 02:22 AM
It's just typical to criticize Bush, or in this case, one of his appointees without offering a reasonable alternative. Here's a guy who wants to be president and he can't even suggest a viable attorney general candidate. Who knows, Bush just might listen. But to suggest nothing accomplishes nothing expect promote the us v. them mentality.



Come on Scorpion.......do you actually think Bush would listen to Obamam's suggestion?