Bill Clinton to truthers: "How dare you!"

[BoogyMan]

Props to Clinton, way to tell off a trooother! When the guy is right, hes right.


Source: Link (http://wcco.com/politics/bill.clinton.minnesota.2.411912.html)

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Clinton's 50-minute speech, which started about an hour behind schedule, was derailed briefly by several hecklers in the audience who shouted that the 2001 terrorist attacks were a fraud. Rather than ignoring them, Clinton seemed to relish a direct confrontation.

"A fraud? No, it wasn't a fraud," Clinton said, as the crowd cheered him on. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk."

When another heckler shouted that the attacks were an "inside job," Clinton took even greater umbrage.

"An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job," Clinton said. "You guys have got to be careful, you're going to give Minnesota a bad reputation."

[RLN]

Washington DC would never be able to pull off an inside job like this without screwing it up. You just couldn't get everyone in one room to actually agree with something.:rolleyes::lmao:

[namguy]

Props to Clinton, way to tell off a trooother! When the guy is right, hes right.


Source: Link (http://wcco.com/politics/bill.clinton.minnesota.2.411912.html)

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Clinton's 50-minute speech, which started about an hour behind schedule, was derailed briefly by several hecklers in the audience who shouted that the 2001 terrorist attacks were a fraud. Rather than ignoring them, Clinton seemed to relish a direct confrontation.

"A fraud? No, it wasn't a fraud," Clinton said, as the crowd cheered him on. "I'll be glad to talk to you if you shut up and let me talk."

When another heckler shouted that the attacks were an "inside job," Clinton took even greater umbrage.

"An inside job? How dare you. How dare you. It was not an inside job," Clinton said. "You guys have got to be careful, you're going to give Minnesota a bad reputation."


You quoted a good one, Buckley:sick:

[underdawg]

I don't think it was an inside job as much as I think that the administration was totally incompetent, or that they just let it happen by deliberate inaction.

[namguy]

I don't think it was an inside job as much as I think that the administration was totally incompetent, or that they just let it happen by deliberate inaction.


Clinton administration 'totally incompetent':ecstatic: What about the present administration, talk about incompetence:dizzy: And you have the odassity to say that about the Clinton administration:ecstatic: Bush will without any doubt will go down as the worst commander and chief this country ever, ever had and will ever have in the future.

[ViolaLee]

Bill Clinton rocks.

[PatrickHenry]

Heh. Clinton gets no cred from me. I despise Democratic politicians.

Bastards think they own us because we live in the country they rule.

But he was anti-democratic in the extreme, whatever else you may like about him.

I know the US had a budget surplus before Dubya got hold of it, but Clinton's other negatives are too much for me to see him as anything but an OverLord, a SuitMonster.

So he can stuff his outrage up his culo.

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government, covered up with complicity from a number of other sources (likely paid-off or threatened), and utilized to the extreme to undercut liberty and foment aggressive foreign wars.

Absolutely no doubt.

The Republic is in decline. Clinton is looking forward to his wife being the next Emperor ProTem.

God... I hate and fear dynasties...

[ViolaLee]

It's just another wacky conspiracy theory.

[Alonzo]

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government

So is Bin Laden just a decent guy who has been wrongly portrayed as a monster?

[namguy]

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government

So is Bin Laden just a decent guy who has been wrongly portrayed as a monster?


Can't make that camparsion, ridiculous.

[Alonzo]

He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.

[JohnnyAwake]

I don't think it was a conspiracy. That implies some form of competence that is far above the "Bush Dynasty's" capacity. I do think there may have been intentional negligence to respond quickly or favorably to intelligence reports. This might not have been out of malice; but rather a sort of Lenin Defeatist tactic. Like the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

I could be wrong though. I mean Bush did cry. :([hr]
He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.


I'd say Osama Bin Laden is evil. Kind of reminds me of Kissinger. Osama's attack by proxy on 9-11-01 was heinous act.
Kissinger's attack by proxy in Chile on 9-11-73 was also unforgivable, sinister, and vile. Not to mention ten times the amount of casualties...

But hey at least we're getting our revenge right (Iraq)?

[underdawg]

I don't think it was an inside job as much as I think that the administration was totally incompetent, or that they just let it happen by deliberate inaction.


Clinton administration 'totally incompetent':ecstatic: What about the present administration, talk about incompetence:dizzy: And you have the odassity to say that about the Clinton administration:ecstatic: Bush will without any doubt will go down as the worst commander and chief this country ever, ever had and will ever have in the future.


I think you totally misunderstood what I just said. I "was" talking about the Bush administration, not Clinton at all.

[PatrickHenry]

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government

So is Bin Laden just a decent guy who has been wrongly portrayed as a monster?
Is that YOUR position? Because I didn't say that... And it would definitely be a strawman if you are attributing that to me.

OBL is a jihadi, no doubt. He was useful to Uncle Sam in the 1980s to counter the Russians in Afghanistan. He was supported by the Saudi royals, who have always been great friends of Washington.

Then he got angered by US troops on the soil of the Holy Nation and turned the jihad against the US.

A monster? Possibly, but a pipsqueak of a monster. Certainly not worth the billions, maybe trillions of dollars Uncle has spent going after him.

The real monsters, as I have frequently said, are the SuitMonsters of Washington and New York.

[jafar00]

He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.


And they sorta messed that up since they still don't have any hard evidence that would convict him of having any responsibility for 9/11.

[Scorpion]

He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.


And they sorta messed that up since they still don't have any hard evidence that would convict him of having any responsibility for 9/11.


How can you be certain that they don't have any hard evidence? It's common practice for law enforcement to keep confidential aspects of an investigation.

[JohnnyAwake]

How can you be certain that they don't have any hard evidence? It's common practice for law enforcement to keep confidential aspects of an investigation.


Let's be ambiguous about the only proposed evidence we had to sell this war in the first place. Oh please.

[AlanC]

So when OBL takes credit for it on his own videos, he's what? Jumping on a government created bandwagon?

Interesting.

[PatrickHenry]

So when OBL takes credit for it on his own videos, he's what? Jumping on a government created bandwagon?

Interesting.
First show me the video.

Second, if OBL is claiming responsibility, it may be for a variety of reasons. But much of the evidence points a different direction.

[namguy]

He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.


Speculation about 9-11 will be hanging out here for years too come just the JFK assination.

[Deadshot]

He said 9/11 was co-ordinated by the government, so I want him opinion about the guy they set up to take the fall.


Speculation about 9-11 will be hanging out here for years too come just the JFK assination.


:clapper:ABOSOFUCKINGLUTELY CORRECT!:clapper:

[Alonzo]

Is that YOUR position? Because I didn't say that... And it would definitely be a strawman if you are attributing that to me.



Well, pat, as far as I"m concerned you come out with some things that I find a bit extreme, the hate america thing and the 9/11 was from the government are two examples. So I really don't know how you view the world when it comes to those who are deemed terrorists. Believing the Osama was set up and not really a terrorist seems no more far fetched to me than believing 9/11 was orchestrated by our government.

[JohnnyAwake]

Is that YOUR position? Because I didn't say that... And it would definitely be a strawman if you are attributing that to me.



Well, pat, as far as I"m concerned you come out with some things that I find a bit extreme, the hate america thing and the 9/11 was from the government are two examples. So I really don't know how you view the world when it comes to those who are deemed terrorists. Believing the Osama was set up and not really a terrorist seems no more far fetched to me than believing 9/11 was orchestrated by our government.


It was Osama bin Laden that orchestrated 9-11; but this doesn't obscure the fact that our hands are just as dirty as his. Like I pointed out before we've committed 9-11s (by proxy, like Bin Laden) many times over. Where's the accountability in that? If we're going to try to rationalize Iraq or any 'War on Terror" we should abide by our moral authority and not try to live by double standards.

[Alonzo]

Johnny, unless you agree with this:

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government, covered up with complicity from a number of other sources (likely paid-off or threatened), and utilized to the extreme to undercut liberty and foment aggressive foreign wars.

Absolutely no doubt.

I don't really have much to say in response to you.

[JohnnyAwake]

Johnny, unless you agree with this:

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government, covered up with complicity from a number of other sources (likely paid-off or threatened), and utilized to the extreme to undercut liberty and foment aggressive foreign wars.

Absolutely no doubt.

I don't really have much to say in response to you.


Your right Zo I was going about this in an entirely wrong manner. I thought it made the best sense to attack the credibility of the source.
(ie:/ The boy that cried wolf but earlier invited the wolf over for lunch). Or, our finger-pointing government that helped foster terrorism but later denounced it. I don't think our government precipitated the 9-11 attacks, we wouldn't harm innocent people on OUR own soil. Besides I don't think a bankrupt insurance company is the most desirable bed-side partner for Bush.
I do disagree with the language of that statement.

But no need to articulate a well thought out response on account of me.

[namguy]

Johnny, unless you agree with this:

9/11 clearly was an attack co-ordinated by elements of the US government, covered up with complicity from a number of other sources (likely paid-off or threatened), and utilized to the extreme to undercut liberty and foment aggressive foreign wars.

Absolutely no doubt.

I don't really have much to say in response to you.


There will be speculation for who knows how long. Considering all it wouldn't surprise me that there's some truth in what you say:dizzy:

[Alonzo]

Johnny, I'm not sure what you think I'm disagreeing with you on. I mean there are some minor differences, as I do think that intentional targeting of civilians is morally worse than unintentional targeting, even if practically it has the same result. But it's not like I'm saying ones acceptable. You seem only a few degrees apart from me.

You seem to be trying to manufacture an argument where none exists, or at best a relatively minor one. You said you don't agree with Patrick, I don't agree with patrick. It seems like you have more to dispute with him than me.

[Scorpion]

How can you be certain that they don't have any hard evidence? It's common practice for law enforcement to keep confidential aspects of an investigation.


Let's be ambiguous about the only proposed evidence we had to sell this war in the first place. Oh please.


Are you saying that Bin Laden was the only reason presented for justifying our current military adventures in S. Asia?

The complicity of Osama Bin Laden as an individual was not a selling point for going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was to crush Hussein and his regime under the false aegis of his possesion of weapons of mass destruction and the destruction of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

There is a real possibility that evidence of Bin Laden's direct involvement in the planning of the 9/11 attacks exists but is being held in confidence.

[PatrickHenry]

There is a real possibility that evidence of Bin Laden's direct involvement in the planning of the 9/11 attacks exists but is being held in confidence.
What possible reason for holding back evidence of OBL involved with 9/11?

Are you aware that the FBI is not seeking OBL for 9/11 based on a lack of hard evidence? Instead, they want him for the Africa Embassy bombings of 1998. http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

And alonzo and Johnny, you should come to an understanding of false flag attacks before continuing the conversation: http://www.911proof.com/

Don't get me wrong, I am not hoping for a Cinnabon with Osama real soon.

I just don't think it is conceivable that suppression of US air defenses is one of the things he could orchestrate...

[JohnnyAwake]

Johnny, I'm not sure what you think I'm disagreeing with you on. I mean there are some minor differences, as I do think that intentional targeting of civilians is morally worse than unintentional targeting, even if practically it has the same result. But it's not like I'm saying ones acceptable. You seem only a few degrees apart from me.

You seem to be trying to manufacture an argument where none exists, or at best a relatively minor one. You said you don't agree with Patrick, I don't agree with patrick. It seems like you have more to dispute with him than me.


My disagreement isn't with you Zo. I do disagree with Patrick. But I do think his paranoia is well understood; as a manifestation from the dishonesty that has possessed our government officials.
People need to stop gravitating towards these types of extremes though. Patrick and I have a mutual discontent with ( what we view as) the mismanagement of our Nation. Problem is he's attacking windmills while I'm searching for the dragon.[hr]


There is a real possibility that evidence of Bin Laden's direct involvement in the planning of the 9/11 attacks exists but is being held in confidence.
What possible reason for holding back evidence of OBL involved with 9/11?

Are you aware that the FBI is not seeking OBL for 9/11 based on a lack of hard evidence? Instead, they want him for the Africa Embassy bombings of 1998. http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

And alonzo and Johnny, you should come to an understanding of false flag attacks before continuing the conversation: http://www.911proof.com/

Don't get me wrong, I am not hoping for a Cinnabon with Osama real soon.

I just don't think it is conceivable that suppression of US air defenses is one of the things he could orchestrate...


I have a pretty extensive understanding of 'false-flag' attacks (seen enough examples... courtesy Uncle Sam). But thank you for the link, I'll check it out.

[preservanation]

Is this subject now taboo, in the Dem party?
Let the elected Dems then come out and say so.
They do not and will do not.
Why not?

[Scorpion]

There is a real possibility that evidence of Bin Laden's direct involvement in the planning of the 9/11 attacks exists but is being held in confidence.
What possible reason for holding back evidence of OBL involved with 9/11?

Are you aware that the FBI is not seeking OBL for 9/11 based on a lack of hard evidence? Instead, they want him for the Africa Embassy bombings of 1998. http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

And alonzo and Johnny, you should come to an understanding of false flag attacks before continuing the conversation: http://www.911proof.com/

Don't get me wrong, I am not hoping for a Cinnabon with Osama real soon.

I just don't think it is conceivable that suppression of US air defenses is one of the things he could orchestrate...


They may be holding back evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9-11 so as not to compromise any related on going investigations. Common practice by investigative agencies.

Bin Laden is on the FBI Ten Most Wanted List for the embassy bombings but that doesn't preclude charging him with additional crimes, such as 9-11.

[PatrickHenry]

Still investigating OBL's role in the 9/11 attacks?

Hmm...witnesses are a bit scarce...

[AlanC]

First show me the video.

Second, if OBL is claiming responsibility, it may be for a variety of reasons. But much of the evidence points a different direction.

Patrick, Bin Laden released a few video and audio tapes post 9-11 where he distinctly took credit for the attack. I read the transcripts of each when they came out.


On December 13, 2001 the United States Department of Defense issued Press Release No. 630-01 to accompany the U.S. government’s release of the Osama bin Laden “confession video”. Here is the exact text of the Department of Defense press release:

U.S. RELEASES VIDEOTAPE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN

The U.S. government released today a copy of a videotape of Osama bin Laden obtained by U.S. forces in Jalalabad, Afghanistan in late November.

The video was filmed by unknown persons.

“There was no doubt of bin Laden’s responsibility for the September 11 attacks before the tape was discovered,” said Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld.

The release of the tape was made after balancing the concerns about any additional pain that could be caused by its release against the value of having the world fully appreciate what we are up against in the war against terrorism.

The tape was released with an English translation and English subtitling, prepared independently by George Michael, translator, Diplomatic Language Services; and Dr. Kassem M. Wahba, Arabic language program coordinator, School of Advanced International Studies, John Hopkins University. They collaborated on their translation and compared it with translations done by the U.S. government for consistency. There were no inconsistencies in translations.

The official transcript of the video (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2001/d20011213ubl.pdf)

[PatrickHenry]

I have seen the video. Just asking for someone to post a copy.

The problems with this "find" are many.

First, it's a bit too damned convenient, like a lot of the other circumstances that surround 9/11.

Second, the figure making the statements (alleged to be OBL) doesn't look like the other photographs of him I have seen. He appears too robust and healthy. And his nose looks too wide.

I could see how some people would think this tape is a fake by a group of US dirty tricksters. Of course no one in US intelligence would do such an underhanded thing...:ponder:

A quote from Don Rumsfeld above: "There was no doubt of bin Laden’s responsibility for the September 11 attacks before the tape was discovered,"

Another quote from the Defense Secretary: "We know where they [Iraq's WMD] are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat..."

So pardon me if I think that Rumsfeld and indeed any spokesman for the Bush Administration are a group of prevaricators...

However, even if we assume that Bin Ladin's prior demurral (http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.binladen.denial/) is a lie, it is acknowledged that he was a CIA asset before his role reversal. Exactly when did they stop controlling him?

And when will they catch him? And why haven't they caught him? And if that ever does happen, will he be questioned and maybe spill the beans or will he be assassinated out of hand? "Dead men tell no tales."

Look. I don't want to make OBL out a good guy. But I find it incredible that he could make WTC7 collapse into its own footprint when it wasn't even hit with an airplane...

Does he have some kind of magic Muslim demolition tecniques?

9/11 Truth is for everyone. If you don't want to look, then the US has some bread and circuses for you...

[preservanation]

Look, Y'all better change parties, or support Kucinich running with Rosie.
It seems no one else in the Dem party wants anything to do with you.
How does it feel to be radicalized by the radical party?
Empower fascist tactics and someday you shall be a victim too.
It just happened faster than any of us thought.