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preservanation
10-27-2007, 06:45 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102101069.html
Dishwashers for Clinton
Once again, a zeal for campaign cash trumps common sense.
Monday, October 22, 2007; Page A22


DONORS WHOSE addresses turn out to be tenements. Dishwashers and waiters who write $1,000 checks. Immigrants who ante up because they have been instructed to by powerful neighborhood associations, or, as one said, "They informed us to go, so I went." Others who say they never made the contributions listed in their names or who were not eligible to give because they are not legal residents of the United States. This is the disturbingly familiar picture of Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign presented last week in a report by the Los Angeles Times about questionable fundraising by the New York senator in New York City's Chinese community. Out of 150 donors examined, one-third "could not be found using property, telephone or business records," the Times reported. "Most have not registered to vote, according to public records."

This appears to be another instance in which a Clinton campaign's zeal for campaign cash overwhelms its judgment. After the fundraising scandals of President Bill Clinton's 1996 reelection campaign, the dangers of vacuuming cash from a politically inexperienced immigrant community should have been obvious. But Ms. Clinton's money machine seized on a new source of cash in Chinatown and environs. As the Times reported, a single Chinatown fundraiser in April brought in $380,000. By contrast, 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry raised $24,000 from Chinatown in the course of his entire campaign.

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As with the warnings it dismissed about the mega-bundles being brought in by fundraiser Norman Hsu, the Clinton campaign saw the red flags here. After the April fundraiser, when some of the donors' stated occupations seemed out of line with the amounts they were giving, the Clinton campaign wrote to contributors asking them to confirm that the money was their own. In the case of seven $1,000 contributions, donors did not respond and their checks were returned, according to the campaign. The campaign says that the others, including one who told the Times that he did not give the money, reaffirmed the legitimacy of their contributions.

It's certainly true, as campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson says, that "Asian-Americans in Chinatown and Flushing have the same right to contribute as every other American." The campaign argues that it did what it could to ensure that contributions were legal. The alternative, the campaign says, would be to prevent those with foreign-sounding names from participating in the political process. But there's another alternative: to strengthen a vetting process that seems geared more toward justifying the acceptance of checks than toward uncovering problems.
This woman is looking more and more like an "albatross" rather than a "ray of hope" for the Democrats' chances in 08.

Elrathin
10-27-2007, 07:07 PM
Well then, if she is guilty bring her up on charges. Or is accusations all ya got?

preservanation
10-27-2007, 07:12 PM
Charges or not, are you willing to endorse this type of fundraising?
On both sides, of course.

Labrocca
10-27-2007, 08:07 PM
Well then, if she is guilty bring her up on charges. Or is accusations all ya got?


We simply don't have officials bold enough to go after the Clintons. And anyone that crosses them ends up with a bullet in their head. Personally I give her a pass...let me be corrupt and gain all that power. It will be foder for conservatives once she is elected. It will be incredibly funny watching liberals defend Clinton after attacking Bush for eight years.

At least with Bush he has Cheney and Rove to take some of the heat. With Hillary...we know 100% that it's HER.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

The 1996 United States campaign finance controversy was an alleged effort by the People's Republic of China (PRC) to influence domestic American politics prior to and during the Clinton administration and also involved the fund-raising practices of the administration itself.

While questions regarding the U.S. Democratic Party's fund-raising activities first arose over a Los Angeles Times article published on September 21, 1996,[1] the PRC's alleged role in the affair first gained public attention when Bob Woodward and Brian Duffy of The Washington Post published a story stating that a United States Department of Justice investigation into the fund-raising activities had uncovered evidence that agents of the PRC sought to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee (DNC) before the 1996 presidential campaign. The journalists wrote that intelligence information had shown the PRC Embassy in Washington, D.C. was used for coordinating contributions to the DNC[2] in violation of United States law forbidding non-American citizens or non-permanent residents from giving monetary donations to United States politicians and political parties. A Republican investigator of the controversy stated the Chinese plan targeted both presidential and congressional United States elections, while Democratic Senators said the evidence showed the PRC targeted only congressional elections. The Chinese government denied all accusations.

Twenty-two people were eventually convicted for fraud or for funneling Asian funds into the United States elections. A number of the convictions came against longtime Clinton-Gore friends and political appointees.

Go Hillary! Get that Money babe! She is the best Neocon running right now.

Buck Laser
10-27-2007, 10:35 PM
Well then, if she is guilty bring her up on charges. Or is accusations all ya got?


We simply don't have officials bold enough to go after the Clintons. And anyone that crosses them ends up with a bullet in their head. Personally I give her a pass...let me be corrupt and gain all that power. It will be foder for conservatives once she is elected. It will be incredibly funny watching liberals defend Clinton after attacking Bush for eight years.

At least with Bush he has Cheney and Rove to take some of the heat. With Hillary...we know 100% that it's HER.

Do you actually buy into the "Clinton body count" myth? I guess I gave you more credit than that.

preservanation
10-27-2007, 11:49 PM
Where's Buddy?
Or Socks?
Chalk them up to the Clinton "body count".

Man, you guys are going to scrambling like cockroaches in the light trying to defend Hillary when she wins your nomination and goes into the general election.

Get out the sea salt.
Ya'll gonna look like pretzels defending a slug.

Labrocca
10-28-2007, 12:31 AM
I guess I gave you more credit than that.

Buck...I don't need your approval for my own opinions and ideas. Keep your credit.

Notice how once again you don't bother to respond to the actual topic but instead to choose to comment on a person in the thread. Any chance you have an actual opinion on the Clintons campaign financing?

Man, you guys are going to scrambling like cockroaches in the light trying to defend Hillary when she wins your nomination and goes into the general election.

Are you joking? Hillary can do no wrong in the eyes of most liberals. They are so focused on Bush who isn't even running that they are oblivious to Hillary. The party of accountability only wants accoutability as their mantra not as reality. Notice congress approval ratings even lower than Bush? Clinton is STILL gaining huge support legal or otherwise. She is a machine. I am convinced she will be next president not because she deserves it but because she is they type of person to get exactly what she wants and knows how to get it. Intimidation, Fear, Power and Fraud...that's her tools. I admire that...certainly she has more balls than Bush.

Go Hillary. She has my support for Democratic nominee. I want to see this race..it's gonna be a doozy.

Elrathin
10-28-2007, 12:34 AM
And anyone that crosses them ends up with a bullet in their head.


Yeah right LAb, here's your tinfoil hat on that one. I find that argument along the same line as the 9/11 conspiracists.

But hey each side has their conspiracists.

preservanation
10-28-2007, 12:43 AM
Go Hillary. She has my support for Democratic nominee. I want to see this race..it's gonna be a doozy. Aye, aye, Cp'n!

However, if Hillary loses the press it will be akin to the NE Patriots losing Brady!
She may actually be "Deaned" in the primaries, but I highly doubt it.
Once she gets the nom, the press and the Soros Media will go into a wedge formation.
You and I have seen this enough times to know it's true.[hr]This Machine has been built for too long and for too high expense (in every sense of the word), by Clinton Inc. for them to be denied.

Any attempt at "Deaning" the Clintons will be most likely met with a "Fostering".

Buck Laser
10-28-2007, 01:48 AM
I guess I gave you more credit than that.

Buck...I don't need your approval for my own opinions and ideas. Keep your credit.

Notice how once again you don't bother to respond to the actual topic but instead to choose to comment on a person in the thread. Any chance you have an actual opinion on the Clintons campaign financing?

Well, lah-dee-dah! :blah: I'm not allowed to think people who believe that the people who talk about the "Clinton deaths" are nutso conspiracy theorists? People who believe in the 9/11 conspiracy crap get sent to conspiracy theory limbo.

"Don't have people brave enough to go after the Clintons?" Gimme a break, Labrocca! Do you remember the doofus who spent several years and millions of bucks trying to pin something on Bill Clinton? That was just recently--at least in my time frame. If you weren't paying attention, it might seem like a long time ago, though. They impeached Bill, but the trial failed, and he left office at the end of his term as one of the most popular presidents in recent memory.

Yeah, I have some opinions about the Clinton campaign funds, and about campaign funding in general. But jumping on the "Clinton deaths" just pissed me off so much that I got distracted. I don't think there is any more or less chicanery in the Clinton fundraising campaign than there is in any of the other major candidate's campaigns. The actual transactions in every case are well hidden, even though everybody would just LOVE to catch any major candidate in a misstep. But the friggin' courts are so hot to save the rights of corporate America while they trample the rights of individuals that the big donors can do just about anything they damned well please--and so the money flows to anybody the big guys think has a chance.

Within this scenario, I have high hopes for my man Obama, because he's set some kind of record for large numbers of individual contributors. As the money continues to roll in, the big guys will undoubtedly kick in, too.

As to money from overseas, everybody gets it. A US election for president interests the whole world, and it's hard to keep it from coming in. And there are a great many American expats living all over the world who are vitally interested in the election.

Next time, why not try to keep a cap on your annoyance with me, and just respond to the real issues that come up? Your blood pressure will stay down better.:nana:

preservanation
10-28-2007, 02:08 AM
Within this scenario, I have high hopes for my man Obama, because he's set some kind of record for large numbers of individual contributors. As the money continues to roll in, the big guys will undoubtedly kick in, too.
Keep the dream alive!
Hillary is steam rolling the democrat party and you're all just too groggy, or simply too blind to see the charade.
Obama? Clinton Inc will not leave a scrap of meat on his bones if he deems to actually challenge them. It's already started.
Get the sand out of your eyes.

Start logging onto Hillary Inc, via Soros web sites.
You're going to need all of the lies and talking-points you can get.