Putin Denounces `Madman' With Knife Approach to Iran

[December]

Putin Denounces `Madman' With Knife Approach to Iran

By Sebastian Alison

Oct. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced what he called the ``madman waving a knife'' approach to diplomatic negotiations aimed at curbing Iran's nuclear program.

The U.S. today ratcheted up sanctions against Iran, saying the Iranian military's Revolutionary Guard Corps is involved in the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and its Quds force supports terrorism. The Bush administration has refused to rule out military action against Iran.

MAFRA, PORTUGAL.President Vladimir Putin met with members of the Russia-European Union Business Cooperation Council.

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October 25, 2007
LISBON. During the official welcome ceremony for President Putin.

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October 26, 2007
MAFRA, PORTUGAL. Meeting with members of the Russia-EU Business Cooperation Council. Right - Portuguese Prime Minister Jose Socrates, left - Presidential Aide Sergei Yastrzhembsky.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=apiTMayemjnI&refer=home

[Scorpion]

Madman with a knife. A quaint analogy coming from the man who is responsible for the repression of a free press, human rights abuses, a directed justice system and continuing and expanding the war in Chechnya.

[Labrocca]

Madman with a knife. A quaint analogy coming from the man who is responsible for the repression of a free press, human rights abuses, a directed justice system and continuing and expanding the war in Chechnya.


A shockingly sensible response. I agree and Putin has this KGB, I am gonna kick your ass, kind of look all the time now.

Putin is becoming the new stalin imho.

[jafar00]

I like the analogy. The US threatening Iran over an imaginary Nuclear program is just like some drunk trying to stab all the imaginary Pixies and evil Gnomes that are coming to get him.

[PatrickHenry]

Putin is a cagey world leader.

The new Stalin? heh...Labrocca you have some funny views of history...
And Scorpion, I guess you like the Islamic extremists of Chechnya, huh? The ones that take over schools and murder kids? I thought you were more humanist than that.

But he's right in saying that negotiations don't take place by making death threats. That doesn't work.

Iran could have been a friend to the US if it wasn't for Israeli control of the media and the Washington political system.

[Scorpion]

Putin is a cagey world leader.

The new Stalin? heh...Labrocca you have some funny views of history...
And Scorpion, I guess you like the Islamic extremists of Chechnya, huh? The ones that take over schools and murder kids? I thought you were more humanist than that.

But he's right in saying that negotiations don't take place by making death threats. That doesn't work.

Iran could have been a friend to the US if it wasn't for Israeli control of the media and the Washington political system.


Hi Patrick:

Of course I don't condone what some criminal extremists have done under the false guise of Islam. But neither do I condone the indiscriminate shelling of villages under the false guise of maintaining national solidarity. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Frankly, I don't understand why the Russian Federation doesn't make Chechnya an independent republic and stop the slaughter. I suspect that Putin wants to impose his typically hard line positon against any group trying to break with his regime and the rest of the world doesn't see any self serving gain in an economically valueless republic.

Putin calling Bush a "madman with a knife" is the pot calling the kettle black.[hr]
I like the analogy. The US threatening Iran over an imaginary Nuclear program is just like some drunk trying to stab all the imaginary Pixies and evil Gnomes that are coming to get him.


Hi jafar:

How does that analogy accomplish anything more then inflame an already tense situation? Now is not the time for flippant remarks by any party to this issue. Now is the time for serious diplomacy. Putin could play a large part in quelling this situation but instead he throws around threats and insults.

[December]

Madman with a knife. A quaint analogy coming from the man who is responsible for the repression of a free press, human rights abuses, a directed justice system and continuing and expanding the war in Chechnya.



Can you prove your claims?
Or you just repeating the opinion of the US State Department?

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The new Stalin? heh...Labrocca you have some funny views of history...
And Scorpion, I guess you...

PatrickHenry, don't you see that they are just doing their best to switch the subject from Bush to Putin? ;)

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[Scorpion]

Madman with a knife. A quaint analogy coming from the man who is responsible for the repression of a free press, human rights abuses, a directed justice system and continuing and expanding the war in Chechnya.



Can you prove your claims?
Or you just repeating the opinion of the US State Department?




I'd be happy to supply you with several links buttressing my statements:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/10/25/europe/EU-GEN-EU-Russia.php

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5049628.stm

http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2007/05/0ca103a8-0d85-4e76-8fd1-6aa3840a77f0.html

Feel free to do a bit of research on your own. You'll find, that as Labrocca has stated, Putin is becoming quite the follower of Stalin.

[December]

Scorpion, you don't know what you are talking about.

And by the way, this thread in NOT about Putin, so don't try to hijack my thread.

OK?

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[Scorpion]

Scorpion, you don't know what you are talking about.

And by the way, this thread in NOT about Putin, so don't try to hijack my thread.

OK?

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December,

You asked for links and I've provided them. What's your problem?

I take offense at your suggestion that I'm trying to hijack your thread.
Perhaps give some thought to what you say before you say it.

[lily]

Scorpion, you don't know what you are talking about.

And by the way, this thread in NOT about Putin, so don't try to hijack my thread.

OK?

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It's not?

[jafar00]

Hi jafar:

How does that analogy accomplish anything more then inflame an already tense situation? Now is not the time for flippant remarks by any party to this issue. Now is the time for serious diplomacy. Putin could play a large part in quelling this situation but instead he throws around threats and insults.


I think we can safely say that there are more threats and insults coming from the US/Israeli side. Putin is just pointing out the obvious flaws in the foreign policy.

[Scorpion]

Hi jafar:

How does that analogy accomplish anything more then inflame an already tense situation? Now is not the time for flippant remarks by any party to this issue. Now is the time for serious diplomacy. Putin could play a large part in quelling this situation but instead he throws around threats and insults.


I think we can safely say that there are more threats and insults coming from the US/Israeli side. Putin is just pointing out the obvious flaws in the foreign policy.


I think that is quite a presumption Jafar. Both sides seem to be doing a pretty good job of sabre rattling.

And if, as you say, Putin is, "just pointing out the obvious flaws in foreign policy" he has a uniquely inflammatory manner of characterizing those whom he disagrees with.

But, of course, he's allied with an Islamic state so in your mind he can do no wrong, right?

[Truth_and_Power]

I agree 100% that the bush administration needs to present a case, with facts, in a single document to the international community. Rhetoric with the occasional glimmer of evidence or discovery is not going to work because Bush has 0 credibility left. Put up or shut up Mr. Bush, you are making us all look like bullies. If you are right, prove it.

I'm no fan of putin, but when you make yourself look this dumb even a communist dictator can criticise you effectively.

[Scorpion]

I agree 100% that the bush administration needs to present a case, with facts, in a single document to the international community. Rhetoric with the occasional glimmer of evidence or discovery is not going to work because Bush has 0 credibility left. Put up or shut up Mr. Bush, you are making us all look like bullies. If you are right, prove it.

I'm no fan of putin, but when you make yourself look this dumb even a communist dictator can criticise you effectively.

Very true.

[BoogyMan]

I find this to be an easy target for the left. Comments prefaced with "if Bush would only" tend to be prepended to abject lies stating a course that could be pursued "if Bush would only."

What is truly amazing here is that we have a madman with nuclear aspirations which would give him much more than a knife and that is being ignored for another chance to trash an unpopular president.

[PatrickHenry]

What we have is a Satanically evil President of the United States who wears a false mask of Christianity.

Meanwhile his Administration pursues a campaign of militarism, nuclear threats, blood and hegemonism.

As the former Republic known as the USA sinks deeper into autocracy and Empire, based upon boundless debt and demolition of the peoples liberties.

[lily]

And if, as you say, Putin is, "just pointing out the obvious flaws in foreign policy" he has a uniquely inflammatory manner of characterizing those whom he disagrees with.
In that one way, Putin is a lot like Bush.

But, of course, he's allied with an Islamic state so in your mind he can do no wrong, right?
Well....if we're going to go with that measure, then we are allied with the Islamic state of Saudi Arabia.

I think the question we should be asking ourselves in the Russia/United States stalemate we have here is what broke down the relationship we had?

[BoogyMan]

What we have is a Satanically evil President of the United States who wears a false mask of Christianity.

Meanwhile his Administration pursues a campaign of militarism, nuclear threats, blood and hegemonism.

As the former Republic known as the USA sinks deeper into autocracy and Empire, based upon boundless debt and demolition of the peoples liberties.


What liberties have you lost PH? What can you not do now that you could prior?

Who have we threatened to Nuke? I have heard the comment that all options are on the table, but no threats to nuke anyone have been issued that I can find.

I would also like to see some proof for your "satanically evil" commentary.

[PatrickHenry]

What liberties have you lost PH? What can you not do now that you could prior?

Who have we threatened to Nuke? I have heard the comment that all options are on the table, but no threats to nuke anyone have been issued that I can find.

I would also like to see some proof for your "satanically evil" commentary.
If I thought you were serious, I would furnish those.

But I don't think you are really any more than a propagandized Republican prole. You wouldn't read what I wrote. Sorry...

[BoogyMan]

What liberties have you lost PH? What can you not do now that you could prior?

Who have we threatened to Nuke? I have heard the comment that all options are on the table, but no threats to nuke anyone have been issued that I can find.

I would also like to see some proof for your "satanically evil" commentary.
If I thought you were serious, I would furnish those.

But I don't think you are really any more than a propagandized Republican prole. You wouldn't read what I wrote. Sorry...


In other words, you cannot substantiate your assertions and are deftly looking for a quick exit from the thread.

Oh and if you wish to call names you should verify the definition before doing so my friend. A am certainly no prole. I will let you look it up on your own. :D

[PatrickHenry]

In other words, you cannot substantiate your assertions and are deftly looking for a quick exit from the thread.

Oh and if you wish to call names you should verify the definition before doing so my friend. A am certainly no prole. I will let you look it up on your own. :D
Mmm...no... I can substantiate that Bush=Evil.

But to do so would further hijack the thread, (something mods should not encourage, BTW)

And maybe I'll make a Democracy Forums Dictionary thread where we can get our terms down...

[BoogyMan]

In other words, you cannot substantiate your assertions and are deftly looking for a quick exit from the thread.

Oh and if you wish to call names you should verify the definition before doing so my friend. A am certainly no prole. I will let you look it up on your own. :D
Mmm...no... I can substantiate that Bush=Evil.

But to do so would further hijack the thread, (something mods should not encourage, BTW)

And maybe I'll make a Democracy Forums Dictionary thread where we can get our terms down...


Your claim that Bush is evil would be germane to the thread since we are discussing the "madman with a knife" view of Bush by Putin. Nice dodge my friend.

[PatrickHenry]

Well, thanks for the friend designation!

But maybe I'll just start a new thread to show that Bush=Evil...

[Scorpion]

What we have is a Satanically evil President of the United States who wears a false mask of Christianity.



Sorry PH, but I have to disagree with you there. True, Bush is arrogant, militaristic, embellishes facts and squeezes the constitution until it screams. Many on his staff are as bad as he is. All that makes him a lousey president, but certainly not "satanically evil."

Don't forget that Bush has also accomplished some positives while in office.

[jafar00]

Don't forget that Bush has also accomplished some positives while in office.


Name 2 :madlaugh:

[Scorpion]

Don't forget that Bush has also accomplished some positives while in office.


Name 2 :madlaugh:


Here's quite a few. Enjoy.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050803-1.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts

[PatrickHenry]

Don't forget that Bush has also accomplished some positives while in office.


Name 2 :madlaugh:


Here's quite a few. Enjoy.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050803-1.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts
Heh. I like this one from Freep: Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency. Heh.
http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/w_hugs_gannon.jpg

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/Article%20Images/victor_ashe.jpg

[Scorpion]

I would imagine that after the Clinton scandals restoring the honor and dignity of the office of President would have been a snap.

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1998/1101980202_400.jpg

Not to mention Whitewater, Vince Foster, etc.

But we're getting off track. Explain what proof you have that Bush is, your words, satanically evil.

[lily]

Here's quite a few. Enjoy.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050803-1.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts



To be fair, Scorpion......a link to the White House and another to Free Republic isn't really non-biased. I had to stop reading the first one after their claims of restraining spending and reforming Social Security.....but then the article was from 2005. As for Free Republic..we're not going to agree, I know, but setting restrictions on abortion is really just pandering to his base.........but I will give you the Medicare prescription program. I know people who this has been literally a life saver for.

[Scorpion]

Here's quite a few. Enjoy.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050803-1.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163304/posts



To be fair, Scorpion......a link to the White House and another to Free Republic isn't really non-biased. I had to stop reading the first one after their claims of restraining spending and reforming Social Security.....but then the article was from 2005. As for Free Republic..we're not going to agree, I know, but setting restrictions on abortion is really just pandering to his base.........but I will give you the Medicare prescription program. I know people who this has been literally a life saver for.


Show me any source that hasn't got some bias. It's up to the reader to decide what they accept as unadulterated fact. My purpose was to counter the allegation that Bush has done nothing positive while in office. Understand that I'm not defending Bush or his mistakes, but to infer that he's been completely ineffective is just plain nonsense. I agree that the self serving rhetoric in both articles deserves to be ignored.

[preservanation]

Scorpian:
Bush is arrogant, militaristic, embellishes facts and squeezes the constitution until it screams. Many on his staff are as bad as he is. All that makes him a lousey president, but certainly not "satanically evil."Whew...
You're not an "insane" lib.
That is, however being like the tallest man man at the midget convention.

I would agree that Bush is not a "Satanic" figure.

Amazing, but Think... we can call that "common-ground".


look:rolleyes:

BOO!

Got ya agin,
Dint I?[hr]MUuuUUUWhahwhaha*cough*hahaw.
*achem*
OOooooo..."I'm the "Flying Dutchman"! OOOooooOOOoooo...."[hr]"How does he dooooo that?"
It is a mystery

[lily]

[quote=lily]
Show me any source that hasn't got some bias. It's up to the reader to decide what they accept as unadulterated fact. My purpose was to counter the allegation that Bush has done nothing positive while in office. Understand that I'm not defending Bush or his mistakes, but to infer that he's been completely ineffective is just plain nonsense. I agree that the self serving rhetoric in both articles deserves to be ignored.



Fair enough.......but to even infer that the good he has done to this country outweighs the bad, is misleading.

[Scorpion]

[quote=lily]
Show me any source that hasn't got some bias. It's up to the reader to decide what they accept as unadulterated fact. My purpose was to counter the allegation that Bush has done nothing positive while in office. Understand that I'm not defending Bush or his mistakes, but to infer that he's been completely ineffective is just plain nonsense. I agree that the self serving rhetoric in both articles deserves to be ignored.



Fair enough.......but to even infer that the good he has done to this country outweighs the bad, is misleading.


Thank you. I agree that the Bush presidency is wanting but my only intention was to point out that Bush has had some positive accomplishments while in office. As I've said, I am in no way defending any of his administration's failures.

[Elrathin]

Whew...
You're not an "insane" lib.
That is, however being like the tallest man man at the midget convention.

I would agree that Bush is not a "Satanic" figure.

Amazing, but Think... we can call that "common-ground".


look:rolleyes:



I'm sorry PRes, but you will find a lot of people against Bush hold this thought as well.

Bush isn't evil, but to me he is doing what is against the best interest of America. That is my opinion and that is my choice.

Bush is not the Anti-Christ or Evil, or wants the distruction of America, but like Bill Clinton was for many Conservatives I just don't think Bush is right for America. So does that make me as a liberal evil because I don't think Bush is right? I mean you have painted liberals with some wide brushes in the past, do you see me as the enemy of America?

[jafar00]

[quote=lily]
Show me any source that hasn't got some bias. It's up to the reader to decide what they accept as unadulterated fact. My purpose was to counter the allegation that Bush has done nothing positive while in office. Understand that I'm not defending Bush or his mistakes, but to infer that he's been completely ineffective is just plain nonsense. I agree that the self serving rhetoric in both articles deserves to be ignored.



Fair enough.......but to even infer that the good he has done to this country outweighs the bad, is misleading.


Thank you. I agree that the Bush presidency is wanting but my only intention was to point out that Bush has had some positive accomplishments while in office. As I've said, I am in no way defending any of his administration's failures.


Ok, I agree Bush has had "some" accomplishments on his home turf. Even a complete moron must do something right some of the time(and he has done hehe).

Let me rephrase. What good has Bush done on the international stage?

[Scorpion]

[quote=lily]
Show me any source that hasn't got some bias. It's up to the reader to decide what they accept as unadulterated fact. My purpose was to counter the allegation that Bush has done nothing positive while in office. Understand that I'm not defending Bush or his mistakes, but to infer that he's been completely ineffective is just plain nonsense. I agree that the self serving rhetoric in both articles deserves to be ignored.



Fair enough.......but to even infer that the good he has done to this country outweighs the bad, is misleading.


Thank you. I agree that the Bush presidency is wanting but my only intention was to point out that Bush has had some positive accomplishments while in office. As I've said, I am in no way defending any of his administration's failures.


Ok, I agree Bush has had "some" accomplishments on his home turf. Even a complete moron must do something right some of the time(and he has done hehe).

Let me rephrase. What good has Bush done on the international stage?


Jafar, this is getting tedious. You don't get the answer you want so you change the question. Not the mark of a good debator. Read the links which I provided for your answer.