Dem is asked why schools in Iowa are performing better than those in Washington?

[throowrocks]

"There's less than one percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than four of five percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with."

"When you have children coming from dysfunctional homes, when you have children coming from homes where there's no books, where the mother from the time they're born doesn't talk to them — as opposed to the mother in Iowa who's sitting out there and talks to them, the kid starts out with a 300 word larger vocabulary at age three. Half this education gap exists before the kid steps foot in the classroom."Joe Biden the Delaware Democrat added. What do you think about his comments?:ecstatic:

[Scorpion]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense. The statement regarding minority populations in Iowa and Washinton D.C. sounds remarkly like supposition. I do agree that a child's environment is an important factor in being successfully educated.

Mr. Biden unfairly generalizes when he infers that all children in Iowa have stable home lives and those in D.C. come from dysfunctional families. That comes from living a life of priviledge insulated from social problems.

[lily]

What do you think about his comments?:ecstatic:


I don't know.........can I have a link so I can read what he said?

[Labrocca]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.

Luckily that wasn't suggested...unless of course you are suggesting it?

From what I read the statement mentions upbringing and parental involvment not racial intelligence.

Nonsense is when you try to make an extreme argument to gloss over the fact you have no actual argument about the case presented.

Maybe instead of bringing into this debate something unrelated you can actually participate with something relevent. Why do you think schools in Iowa perform better?

[Scorpion]

"There's less than one percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than four of five percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you're dealing with."


This would seem to be a comparison of educational achievement in Iowa to D.C. based on minority population ratios thus my observation that Biden is suggesting that race relates to intelligence.

[Anti-Racism]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.


Please give more detail, including scientific refutations of the idea.

[Elrathin]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.


Please give more detail, including scientific refutations of the idea.


Are you saying there are no intelligent black people? The proof is that there ARE intelligent black people so it debunks that race is DIRECTLY related to intelligence.

[Anti-Racism]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.


Please give more detail, including scientific refutations of the idea.


Are you saying there are no intelligent black people? The proof is that there ARE intelligent black people so it debunks that race is DIRECTLY related to intelligence.


No, you don't understand demographic comparison. You're looking at frequency of intelligence and intelligence averages. Furthermore, many people are mixed, which causes uneven signals, and often presents traits which are not directly heritable (recessive).

[preservanation]

as opposed to the mother in Iowa who's sitting out there and talks to them,
Biden's comment argues against the notion that the schools should have ultimate control over the children, and not the parents.
I'm sure some of these "talks" might also include discussions of what is right and wrong, morality, values, and maybe even religion, *gasp*.
These are subjects that some public schools seem to avoid, devalue and impugn.
For the schools to advocate any of those ideals would imply some sort of "judgement". That, we know, is not permissible.

[Scorpion]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.


Please give more detail, including scientific refutations of the idea.


Are you saying there are no intelligent black people? The proof is that there ARE intelligent black people so it debunks that race is DIRECTLY related to intelligence.


No, you don't understand demographic comparison. You're looking at frequency of intelligence and intelligence averages. Furthermore, many people are mixed, which causes uneven signals, and often presents traits which are not directly heritable (recessive).


I'm not referring to demographics, but to individual intelligence and the potential for achievement. This no neurologic or biologic evidence to suggest that race has any effect on the potential for intellectual development.

[HumanBeast]

Throowrocks, why do you want to pound on blacks and single mothers?

[throowrocks]

Are the two somehow linked? I was quoting a democrat,Joe Biden.[hr]Blacks appear to be dominating in football,basketball and most track and field events. Is it possible that they are naturally on average more athletically inclined then whites?

[Alonzo]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.

Luckily that wasn't suggested...unless of course you are suggesting it?

From what I read the statement mentions upbringing and parental involvment not racial intelligence.

Nonsense is when you try to make an extreme argument to gloss over the fact you have no actual argument about the case presented.

Maybe instead of bringing into this debate something unrelated you can actually participate with something relevent. Why do you think schools in Iowa perform better?


I think that was his intention. He meant to say that African Americans do score lower for a whole host of factors, but it's a horrible, horrible choice of words. So the outrage is understandable in my mind.

[Labrocca]

Are you saying there are no intelligent black people? The proof is that there ARE intelligent black people so it debunks that race is DIRECTLY related to intelligence.


I don't see anyone but liberals and democrats making that assumption. Next you will tell me that most blacks don't vote Democrat. Call a spade a spade so to speak. What conclusions do you draw from the lack of performance in highly black areas vs the high performance in mostly white ones. Maybe you can explain to us the difference and possibly use some facts in your argument.

[throowrocks]

If you have a dice. This dice has only one number on it. Every time you roll this dice the same number comes up.This does not need explaining.

[Scorpion]

If you have a dice. This dice has only one number on it. Every time you roll this dice the same number comes up.This does not need explaining.


Congrats, that wins the most off beat analogy of the week award. Instead of an analogy, which is the tool of the intellectually challenged, try making a tangible statement.

[Elrathin]

Call a spade a spade so to speak. What conclusions do you draw from the lack of performance in highly black areas vs the high performance in mostly white ones. Maybe you can explain to us the difference and possibly use some facts in your argument.


What conclusions, that so far mostly black neighborhoods are in poor areas of the country. Do you deny that rich schools don't perform better than poor schools? That's my facts.

As for only liberals saying that blacks are less intelligent Anti-Racism (Not a liberal) suggested that it was true so please read further before commenting that liberals are only saying it.

[throowrocks]

IT'S NOT THE MONEY!http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/AboutUs/ArticleView.aspx?id=602Spending rankings tell policymakers even less about what matters most: student performance. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, Washington, D.C., spends $15,000 per pupil, the most in the nation, but students there come in dead last on the Nation's Report Card. In 2003, 90 percent of fourth- and eighth-graders in D.C. failed reading proficiency.

[preservanation]

Stop confusing the Lefty's argument with facts.
IMO it's the Gov that's the problem, not the individual students, per say.
Inner cities have been plagued with welfare and leftist social engineering for decades.
It may take a generation or more to undo the damage done to our minority communities by those Liberal policies, if ever.
Blacks and other minorities have been voting Dems in office to fix their problems for decades, but each year is worst than the last (according to them)
Hopefully some day they will learn that they are being used and lied to....someday.

[Anti-Racism]

What conclusions do you draw from the lack of performance in highly black areas vs the high performance in mostly white ones.


It's a tricky subject, but one we should not be afraid to explore: evolution, and how it specializes groups for different things.

Northern Asians and Northern Europeans score a standard deviation above Africans, and about half the number amount of that measurement above Hispanics and Southern Asians.

We can either recognize this as reality, and design our world accordingly, or go into denial and do these groups no favor (as well as slighting ourselves).

I believe racism is evil; I do not believe nationalism is evil. I believe denying reality is a greater evil. To recognize genetics is not racism. To then use it to justify class-enslavement is racism.

It gets more complicated, but hopefully you guys can see what I'm saying here. I haven't seen much open-mindedness on this issue, but instead a neo-Stalinist denial of reality.

[AnnEsthesia]

Around here, those differences can be attributed easily. Affluent vs poor. Our school district performs at the top of all schools in the state because we pour money into the school system through high taxes on very rich people, we have a ton of stay at home parents who actively participate every day in school, we have an active PTO that raises a hundred thousand dollars a year that is used to fund activities, events and to give teachers grants to buy things for their class.

You do not have that stuff in the inner city schools 30 minutes away. People are mostly poor, mostly two (or one) parent working families and they do not have the money, or the time, to spend at school. Having it and having the desire to do it are two separate things.

If the parents are educated and can spend time passing on that education, the child starts out ahead of those who are not. If the school system is affluent, they can attract the better teachers and afford the better equipment and building. That all ties into higher performance.

Also, at our school, they literally POUR resources at any student that is not meeting the school average. This brings up the school average and reflects on all the other students. If a poor school cannot bring in 5 people to help one student, that also affects how the school performs as a whole.

[I Like Beer]

The suggestion that race relates directly to intelligence is nonsense.


Please give more detail, including scientific refutations of the idea.


I have. But, you didn't respond to it.


Where's the clear scientific proof and argument against the existence of race, and the agreement of all these scientists?


Here's one. It's from Nature, the most prestigious scientific journal there is.

http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html

Of the 0.1% of DNA that varies among individuals, what proportion varies among main populations? Consider an apportionment of Old World populations into three continents (Africa, Asia and Europe), a grouping that corresponds to a common view of three of the 'major races'16, 17. Approximately 85−90% of genetic variation is found within these continental groups, and only an additional 10−15% of variation is found between them18, 19, 20 (Table 1). In other words, approx90% of total genetic variation would be found in a collection of individuals from a single continent, and only approx10% more variation would be found if the collection consisted of Europeans, Asians and Africans.

In other words, there is more genetic diversity WITHIN a group that between geographically diverse groups.

Of special importance to discussions of race, our species has a recent, common origin.

Considering this extraordinary complexity, the idea that variation in the frequency of a single allele could explain substantial population differences in behavior would be amusing if it were not so dangerous.

Race remains an inflammatory issue, both socially and scientifically. Fortunately, modern human genetics can deliver the salutary message that human populations share most of their genetic variation and that there is no scientific support for the concept that human populations are discrete, nonoverlapping entities. ... genetics can and should be an important tool in helping to both illuminate and defuse the race issue.

May I have a peer reviewed scientific journal that supports your view of a difference between the 'races'?