Glenn Beck to fire victims: Many of you hate America

[Alonzo]

BECK: Schwarzenegger came out over the weekend and he said the Republicans need to run to the center and they need to grab the center. And the headline -- I looked at it, and I went "OK, OK, what is this? What is this? Oh, it's Schwarzenegger. I'm probably going to disagree with it." And then I started reading it, and I absolutely disagreed with it. He said they need to start talking about health care and education. That's not the way to win.

Let's talk about health care and education? That's not the way to win. That's not the way to win on any front. I'm not even talking about -- the least I care about is winning the election. How about winning the war? How about saving our country? And, you know, it made me think. I want to make this very clear. When I say on the air, and I've said it a lot lately, that we need to come together and we need to get back into the center, we're being pushed on to the edges -- I want you to understand, that is not on policies. I don't mean that we come in the center on policies. We come to the center on principles. We come back to the center of the melting pot, that we're all one America, that just because I disagree with you doesn't mean you hate America, and I love America. We all love America. We just disagree on how we should function, what we should do, big government, small government. It doesn't mean you hate America. I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today.

There are a few people that hate America. But I don't think the Democrats are those. I think there are those posing as Democrats that are like that. But you don't come into the center. You have to stand up for what you believe in.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200710220003?f=h_latest

[preservanation]

Beck?
Is he as nutty as I think he is?
He certainly gazed into the reflective pool and fell in love with himself.

[BoogyMan]

I do believe that what Beck said was "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."

I don't know how you get many from a handful Zo, new math?

[dgun]

Beck is such a damn embarrassment. The only man on TV who is truly more ignorant than Bill O'Reilly. Just read his incoherent, rambling statement above. Ridiculous that this nut gets a TV show.

[Scorpion]

Beck is such a damn embarrassment. The only man on TV who is truly more ignorant than Bill O'Reilly. Just read his incoherent, rambling statement above. Ridiculous that this nut gets a TV show.


Um...I don't know about that. I'm starting to think that those two are having a contest to see who's the bigger idiot. The winner gets a guest spot on Rush Limbaugh's show and a date with Ann Coulter.

[Alonzo]

I do believe that what Beck said was "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."

I don't know how you get many from a handful Zo, new math?


He said a lot of them are losing their homes. If there's a lot of them then many makes sense.

[Anti-Racism]

He should go back to playing guitar. Wait, that was the other Beck guy.

[BoogyMan]

It would certainly support the case you wish to present Zo.

[ECW]

Um...I don't know about that. I'm starting to think that those two are having a contest to see who's the bigger idiot. The winner gets a guest spot on Rush Limbaugh's show and a date with Ann Coulter.


I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

damn you, Scorpion.

[ViolaLee]

I do believe that what Beck said was "I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."

I don't know how you get many from a handful Zo, new math?


It depends on the size of them. If they are very small, many can fit in a hand. If they are large, then not so many.

He said a lot of them are losing their homes.

A lot is many....

Boogy, why can't you just admit Beck is an asshole, along with Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter and the rest of the lying assholes on right wing talk shows?

You know it's true.

None of us "libs" who protest against Bush and his war in Iraq and his constitutional violations and power grab for the executive branch, hate America. We just hate what Bush is doing to America. And we are really starting to hate being accused by these fuckwads of hating America. Beck is an imbecile.

One person lost his life today in the fires in SoCal. A handful of firemen have been injured. Do they hate America too?

[PatrickHenry]

I hate America, and my home is doing fine in occupied Hawaii.

What's so great about America that I shouldn't hate it?

It sucks and it's getting worse.

[BoogyMan]

It depends on the size of them. If they are very small, many can fit in a hand. If they are large, then not so many.

He said a lot of them are losing their homes.

A lot is many....

Boogy, why can't you just admit Beck is an asshole, along with Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter and the rest of the lying assholes on right wing talk shows?

You know it's true.

None of us "libs" who protest against Bush and his war in Iraq and his constitutional violations and power grab for the executive branch, hate America. We just hate what Bush is doing to America. And we are really starting to hate being accused by these fuckwads of hating America. Beck is an imbecile.

One person lost his life today in the fires in SoCal. A handful of firemen have been injured. Do they hate America too?


Well, Viola, with "logic" like yours above who could counter? ROFL

You desperately wish to take another talk hosts comment and broaden it to fit your dishonest agenda here, and I am certain your cheering squad will prop you up in your attempt.

There are many who hate America in the state of California whether you wish to admit it or not, Beck simply pointed out the obvious.

Your "do they hate America too" comment is truly beyond the pale and simply an appeal to emotion based on your strawman argument, a logical fallacy based on a logical fallacy if you will, and it is used when logic evades.

[Deadshot]

What's so funny about Beck, and O'Reilly too, is that both of them are trying to appeal to the Independents - IN THE CENTER!

That's why there's a "No Spin Zone" or why Beck isn't "picking" on the Democrats, but simply pointing out that they aren't really Democrats but they hate America.

It's a joke, he's just the Nancy Grace of the Political Pundit wanna be's.

[I Like Beer]

There are many who hate America in the state of California whether you wish to admit it or not, Beck simply pointed out the obvious.


I'm sorry if this is going to be a very naive question, but when you say these people 'hate' America, do you mean they literally hate America and want it to collapse or transform into something else? When I hate something, I want it to go end (much like holidays at my in-laws).

I hear this over and over (people who HATE America) and it really puzzle me. I realize I'm an outside observer, but I don't see that. I see people voicing their dislike over the current Administration, or against policies with which they don't agree. Conservatives criticize foreign policy when Democrats hold power as they did over the NATO bombing in Bosnia. I don't think they 'hate' America.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:yxx67FHvJqsJ:www.democrats.org/pdfs/gop_kosovo.pdf+republican+criticize+clinton+nato+b ombing+bosnia&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca&client=firefox-a

When did dissatisfied with the current state of affairs, and given voice to that dissatisfaction equate to 'hating'? Again, if my question is naive, or if I've misrepresented what you meant, I apologize.

As an aside, here our some GOP criticisms of Clinton over the NATO bombings in the former Yugoslavia. I thought you could just take the quotes, change the speakers do Democrats, and republish them today.

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES:
Then-GOP Presidential candidate Governor George W. Bush: According to the Houston Chronicle: ‘Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to explain to us what the exit
strategy is,’ Bush said.”
[Houston Chronicle, 4/9/99]

Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): “America needs to quickly change directions and leave behind this chilling comedy of errors that has defined our foreign policy.”
[Copley News Service,3/22/99]

Then-Senate Assistant Majority Leader Don Nickles (R-OK)
: “The Administration, and NATO as a whole, greatly miscalculated the response Slobodan Milosevic would have to a bombing campaign. As I
predicted, the Administration has escalated what was guerilla warfare into a much more serious conflict. The bombings have unleashed an evil reign and resulted in a humanitarian disaster.”
[Senator Don Nickles, Press Release, 4/21/99]

April 5, 1999 -- Then-GOP Presidential candidate Sen. Bob Smith (R-NH) questioned the need to protect Kosovo. “Hundreds of thousands have died in Rwanda,” Smith said. “We’re not firing missiles there. This is a mistake.”
[USA Today, 4/5/99]

April 5, 1999 -- USA Today quoted Senator Richard Shelby (R AL), as saying, “Obviously, we are not winning the war.”
[USA Today, 4/5/99]

April 19, 1999 -- Senator Tim Hutchinson (R-AR) questioned funding the war in Kosovo. “We have increased deployments by 300% under this President while cutting funding for the armed services by a third. So I am probably going to vote for it,” Hutchinson said. “But at the rate that we’re spending, $6 billion will not get us through this fiscal year to pay for this war.”
[“Crossfire,” CNN, 4/19/99]

[Deadshot]

Great question ILBeer! What is "Hate"? Is it wanting to change something in the country that you feel is wrong, i.e. Liberals wanting control from Conservatives?

Or when Beck and Boogey talk about Hate are they referring to someone who, much like a terrorist, would act to destroy our country?

[lawless168]

What's so funny about Beck, and O'Reilly too, is that both of them are trying to appeal to the Independents - IN THE CENTER!



And your too blind to see that its working...

[Deadshot]

As Rush Limbaugh proved during the 8 years of Bill Clinton's presidency, the abilty to get high ratings and the ability to win the White House are two different things.

Now Rush, Bill and Glenn might help some GOP candidate in 2012 take the White House, but not now. I'd also be willing to bet that from Jan. 2009 until the election of whomever in 2012 all Conservative pundits shows, from those above to Hannity, Savage, Ingraham and others will see their overall numbers go up. If in 2012 a Dem gets elected again, their numbers will continue to rise.

Again, that does not coorelate to political success. Otherwise you'd be calling them Senator or Representative O'Reilly or Beck. Hate sells ad time, but all hate all the time - like most NeoCons like those above preach - does not win elections.

[HumanBeast]

The hate America crowd is much larger than Beck fibs it to be. Just tune into CNN or read the blog Kos.

[Alonzo]

I hate America, and my home is doing fine in occupied Hawaii.

What's so great about America that I shouldn't hate it?

It sucks and it's getting worse.


You do realize that if you were to call Beck he'd probably airlift you into his studio to prove his point.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't you European? Wouldn't that make you one of the occupiers?

[PatrickHenry]

You do realize that if you were to call Beck he'd probably airlift you into his studies to prove his point.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, aren't you European? Wouldn't that make you one of the occupiers?
I am a human being. That is my race. Is my ANCESTRY European, yes. Am I a part of the occupation force here in Hawaii? No, that would be the US GOVERNMENT, a group I oppose.

Just to bring you up to speed, The Kingdom of Hawaii is a mixed-race kingdom, always was. It was overthrown by a group of exclusively white planters whose allegiance was to the US, not the kingdom they had sworn to uphold. And there was a conspiracy with a US minister who caused a landing of 162 US Marines to enforce the overthrow.

So before accusing me of being with the occupiers, you need to do a bit of research... http://hawaii-nation.org/soa.html

I am in favor of self-government for the Kingdom Of Hawaii. I would gladly change my citizenship.

And I would assume that an independent and sovereign Hawaii would remain a close friend and ally of the US.

[Alonzo]

We had this debate before. What it came down to, for me anyway, is that the majority of Hawaiians don't want to be independent. It wouldn't be a democracy if we forced people to be their own nation.

[lawless168]

Duane "Dog" Chapman is the sh!t

[BoogyMan]

Great question ILBeer! What is "Hate"? Is it wanting to change something in the country that you feel is wrong, i.e. Liberals wanting control from Conservatives?

Or when Beck and Boogey talk about Hate are they referring to someone who, much like a terrorist, would act to destroy our country?


When I speak of hate with regard to some on the left leaning side I typically am speaking of the self loathing that I see coming from them. I do believe that Beck is probably coming from that pov as well.

[AnnEsthesia]

So... if you see a problem in the US and you seek to change it... you are self-loathing? How exactly are some on the left 'self-loathing'?

[Josepha]

The hate America crowd is much larger than Beck fibs it to be. Just tune into CNN or read the blog Kos.


Beck is on CNN - that's the damn liberal media for you.

It's obviously God who hates California - and evidently firefighters, too. He's obviously not fond of Louisiana or Florida, either. Where is Flawell when we need him - looks like Beck is channeling his spirit. :evil:

[lily]

So... if you see a problem in the US and you seek to change it... you are self-loathing? How exactly are some on the left 'self-loathing'?


I don't hate me.......do you hate you, Anne?

[AnnEsthesia]

Nope. I like me very much. :)

[BoogyMan]

The hate America crowd is much larger than Beck fibs it to be. Just tune into CNN or read the blog Kos.


Beck is on CNN - that's the damn liberal media for you.

It's obviously God who hates California - and evidently firefighters, too. He's obviously not fond of Louisiana or Florida, either. Where is Flawell when we need him - looks like Beck is channeling his spirit. :evil:


Where did you dig up the "God hates California" garbage, Joseph?

[Deadshot]

Channeling a dead, or living, Televangelist?

[ViolaLee]

The hate America crowd is much larger than Beck fibs it to be. Just tune into CNN or read the blog Kos.


Beck is on CNN - that's the damn liberal media for you.

It's obviously God who hates California - and evidently firefighters, too. He's obviously not fond of Louisiana or Florida, either. Where is Flawell when we need him - looks like Beck is channeling his spirit. :evil:


Where did you dig up the "God hates California" garbage, Joseph?


Jerry Falwell (http://www.religioustolerance.org/tsunami04m.htm)and Pat Robertson (http://www.masonicinfo.com/robertson.htm) say it's the people's fault that God sends disastors upon them. Didn't you know? He's a mean, hateful God. Don't you realize that?

About four years earlier, on 2001-SEP-13 during Robertson's "700 Club" TV program, Falwell blamed the 9-11 New York City and Pentagon terrorist attacks on the American Civil Liberties Union, abortion providers, Pagans, feminists, gays and the lesbians, and the People For the American Way. [The latter is a liberal group promoting the separation of church and state]. Robertson responded: "Well, I totally concur..."

On the June 8, 1998 episode of Robertson's "700 Club," a segment focused on Orlando, Florida's rainbow flag display and the attendance of thousands of gays and lesbians at nearby Disney World the previous weekend.

Charging that the acceptance of homosexuality is "the last step in the decline of Gentile civilization," Robertson predicted dire consequences for both Orlando and the United States. "We're not in any way, shape or form hating anybody," said Robertson. "This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But if [pause] a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor, it isn't necessarily something we ought to open our arms to."

"And I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes," Robertson continued, "and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you."

The Orlando warning is not Robertson's first brush with hurricane control. In 1985, he claimed his prayers diverted a hurricane from colliding with Virginia Beach, home base for his Christian Broadcasting Network.

On 2001-SEP-14, three days after 9-11, his Christian Broadcasting Network issued a news release: Pat Robertson listed America's major sins: access to abortion, secularism, separation of church and state, pornography on the Internet, and the occult, etc...on television. He wrote: "We have insulted God at the highest level of our government. Then, we say, 'Why does this happen?' It is happening because God Almighty is lifting His protection from us. Once that protection is gone, we are vulnerable because we are a free society."

[I Like Beer]

When I speak of hate with regard to some on the left leaning side I typically am speaking of the self loathing that I see coming from them. I do believe that Beck is probably coming from that pov as well.

Thanks.

I'm sorry if these are really dumb questions, but I want to understand what you're saying and I'm not sure I do.

They're full of self loathing... why? They don't like (in their opinion) how conservative America has become and - since they're a part of American and the "problem" as they see it - they lash out in frustration?

Their values are causing the problems in America today, they recognize it, but can't stand to be wrong and so, cling ever more fervently to their beliefs?

Or, is it like the closet homophobe (like Ted Haggard) who so loathes the fact that he's gay, he lashes out at other homosexuals? But, I guess that would make these liberals, closet conservatives.

Again, I apologize for being thick. I just want to have a clearer understanding of what you're saying.

(As an aside, I rarely watch US tv, so I have no idea who Glenn Beck is. I don't know if that's relevent to the conversation.)

[dgun]

The winner gets a guest spot on Rush Limbaugh's show and a date with Ann Coulter.

The loser gets off easy. 1000 lashes and toothpicks jammed under their fingernails.