qwerty
10-18-2007, 03:56 PM
Days After Claiming U.S. Less Safe Due To Iraq War, Counterterrorism Chief Suddenly Resigns
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/17/scott-redd-ntc/
AlonzoMourning23
10-18-2007, 04:09 PM
Ron is right again!
Broken clocks right twice ya know.
But it seems like the Democrats are overflowing with people who said this long ago.
NortheastCynic
10-18-2007, 05:47 PM
Were these the same Democrats who voted to authorize the war while Ron Paul had the foresight to vote against it?
To deny that Ron Paul was light-years ahead of both parties in terms of foreign policy and Iraq is absolutely absurd.
It is also strange to read a liberal so strongly rejecting RP given the fact that there probably only a handful of social issues regarding which you would disagree with Dr. Paul.
-NC
ViolaLee
10-18-2007, 06:41 PM
I could post the same thread and say Obama was right again too, couldn't I?
AlonzoMourning23
10-19-2007, 12:15 AM
Were these the same Democrats who voted to authorize the war while Ron Paul had the foresight to vote against it?
To deny that Ron Paul was light-years ahead of both parties in terms of foreign policy and Iraq is absolutely absurd.
It is also strange to read a liberal so strongly rejecting RP given the fact that there probably only a handful of social issues regarding which you would disagree with Dr. Paul.
-NC
Paul opposes abortion, supports allowing school prayer, gun ownership, less environmental regulations, abolition of welfare programs, immediate withdrawal from Iraq, removal of the federal government from education.
Then there are blatantly anti-liberty things like this:
Paul has said that federal officials changing the definition of marriage to allow same-sex marriage is "an act of social engineering profoundly hostile to liberty."[144] Paul stated that "Americans understandably fear" the nationwide legalization of same-sex marriage.[145] He says that in a best case scenario, governments would enforce contracts and grant divorces but otherwise have no say in marriage.[146]
In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed from the jurisdiction of federal courts "any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction" and "any claim based upon equal protection of the laws to the extent such claim is based upon the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation."[123] If made law, these provisions would allow states to prohibit sexual practices and same-sex marriage.
He also opposes affirmative action, voted against the renewal of the civil rights act. This is part of what he said in regards to the civil rights act:
"The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul
He then goes on to complain about affirmative action but that's a separate argument. The first line is the issue, where he denounced outlawing of certain discrimination as against liberty.
Now even if Ron Paul agreed with me on most social issues, which he doesn't, he wouldn't do anything. I don't give a damn what my candidates personal views are, I only care about what their actions will be while in office. If you oppose abortion but try to keep it legal you'll get my support. If you support abortion but are indifferent to keeping it legal throughout the country then you won't.
Ron Paul disagrees with me on many social issues, and virtually all economic ones. But, on the social issues, he will do absolutely nothing in most cases to advance my views.
As I've said before, I'd prefer to have Bush over Paul in office. Paul will dismantle the system necessary to advance my views, Bush will typically make easily reversible changes. For example, bush would cut the budget for environmental protection. Yes that's very harmful, but that budget can be changed next year. Paul would abolish the EPA even while condemning polluters. That's much harder to correct.
Paul is dead last as far as I'm concerned, barring some of the lesser republican candidates who I don't know enough about to rank.
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