Chavez=Castro

[preservanation]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7042805.stm
HAVANA - Fidel Castro made his first live appearance on Cuban airwaves since falling ill 14 months ago, sounding lucid and in good humor as he exchanged praise and jokes Sunday with the Venezuelan president.
Castro's telephone call to a television and radio program came minutes after visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez aired a new videotape of their weekend meeting in which he sang revolutionary hymns to Castro and called him "father of all revolutionaries."

"I am very touched when you sing about Che," Castro told Chavez during his hour-long call to Chavez's "Alo, Presidente!" program — referring to revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara, to whom the program was dedicated.

"There is electricity in the air," Chavez said, obviously pleased with Castro's call.

Castro, who has not appeared in public since falling ill in July 2006, made his last live media appearance in February with a phone call to Chavez's radio program broadcast from Venezuela. But there was a half-hour delay before that program was broadcast in Cuba.

On the videotape, reportedly made during a meeting of more than four hours Saturday afternoon, Chavez also gave Castro a painting he said he made while imprisoned in the early 1990s after leading a failed coup.

The dark-colored painting showed the bars of his cell and a night scene beyond, with a full red moon and a guard tower in the distance.

Castro told him he needed to sign his work. "No one knows the merit that this has, that you did this!"

Cuban state television was broadcasting Chavez's program live from Santa Clara, where the communist government last week commemorated the 40th anniversary of Guevara's death.

Chavez toured the museum below the towering statue of Guevara, which also contains a mausoleum housing Guevara's remains.

Earlier Sunday, Cuban state media released two new official photos of the men together, but provided no details about the ailing Cuban leader's health.

In both the video and the photographs, Castro wore the red, white and blue track suit that has become his typical dress during his convalescence. Both men sat in bamboo chairs at an undisclosed location. Although Castro looks older and his gray beard has thinned considerably, he appears lucid and animated as he thumbs through a copy of Guevara's "Bolivian Diary" and the pair discuss the revolutionary's life and legacy.

Both men seemed mindful that the leadership of Latin America's left is being passed from one generation to another, with Chavez calling Castro "the father of all revolutionaries in this America" in the video.

"Our father, who is in the water, earth and air," Chavez said in an almost religious tone that evoked the Lord's Prayer.

"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."

The last official image of Castro was a photograph released late last month, showing him looking more robust than in some past pictures as he stood and greeted Angolan President Jose Eduardo Dos Santos.

Chavez has visited the 81-year-old Castro several times since the Cuban leader underwent emergency intestinal surgery in late July 2006 and ceded authority to his younger brother Raul.[hr]"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."Communism will never die.
Just ask Hillary!

[PatrickHenry]

Communism will never die.
Just ask Hillary!
You have relegated yourself to the sidelines, preserva.

That statement is almost comical...

[preservanation]

Shit!
You should see my last posts on the other thread.
Hooo Boy!

[jafar00]

Bah Hillary doesn't know anything about communism. If you want to know about it, ask the experts. These guys for example....

http://interns.beloblog.com/archives/smurfs-village-after.jpg

[preservanation]

I always felt sorry for the one female Smurf (Cindy Loo Smurf...whatever her name).
The Christmas party must have been hell for that poor girl.

[JohnnyAwake]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7042805.stm
HAVANA - Fidel Castro made his first live appearance on Cuban airwaves since falling ill 14 months ago, sounding lucid and in good humor as he exchanged praise and jokes Sunday with the Venezuelan president.
Castro's telephone call to a television and radio program came minutes after visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez aired a new videotape of their weekend meeting in which he sang revolutionary hymns to Castro and called him "father of all revolutionaries."

"I am very touched when you sing about Che," Castro told Chavez during his hour-long call to Chavez's "Alo, Presidente!" program — referring to revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara, to whom the program was dedicated.

"There is electricity in the air," Chavez said, obviously pleased with Castro's call.

Castro, who has not appeared in public since falling ill in July 2006, made his last live media appearance in February with a phone call to Chavez's radio program broadcast from Venezuela. But there was a half-hour delay before that program was broadcast in Cuba.

On the videotape, reportedly made during a meeting of more than four hours Saturday afternoon, Chavez also gave Castro a painting he said he made while imprisoned in the early 1990s after leading a failed coup.

The dark-colored painting showed the bars of his cell and a night scene beyond, with a full red moon and a guard tower in the distance.

Castro told him he needed to sign his work. "No one knows the merit that this has, that you did this!"

Cuban state television was broadcasting Chavez's program live from Santa Clara, where the communist government last week commemorated the 40th anniversary of Guevara's death.

Chavez toured the museum below the towering statue of Guevara, which also contains a mausoleum housing Guevara's remains.

Earlier Sunday, Cuban state media released two new official photos of the men together, but provided no details about the ailing Cuban leader's health.

In both the video and the photographs, Castro wore the red, white and blue track suit that has become his typical dress during his convalescence. Both men sat in bamboo chairs at an undisclosed location. Although Castro looks older and his gray beard has thinned considerably, he appears lucid and animated as he thumbs through a copy of Guevara's "Bolivian Diary" and the pair discuss the revolutionary's life and legacy.

Both men seemed mindful that the leadership of Latin America's left is being passed from one generation to another, with Chavez calling Castro "the father of all revolutionaries in this America" in the video.

"Our father, who is in the water, earth and air," Chavez said in an almost religious tone that evoked the Lord's Prayer.

"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."

The last official image of Castro was a photograph released late last month, showing him looking more robust than in some past pictures as he stood and greeted Angolan President Jose Eduardo Dos Santos.

Chavez has visited the 81-year-old Castro several times since the Cuban leader underwent emergency intestinal surgery in late July 2006 and ceded authority to his younger brother Raul.[hr]"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."Communism will never die.
Just ask Hillary!


That is a real barrel of laughs. Isn't Hillary Clinton the candidate that wants to make privatized health care mandatory? I guess that would depend on what "brand" of lip service you were subscribing to; the Hillary that wanted Socialized HC when her Husband was in charge (and knew it would never fly). Or the same Hillary that is now in bed with the insurance companies (ie:/ Campaign $$). Collusion at it's finest.. Can you say "Frist Aid" or "Bayh-Dole". Not quite what I'd expect from any Communist I've heard of.

[Scorpion]

If "The Revolution" depends on Chavez carrying on for Castro, then communism in latin america is in deep trouble. Chavez is little more then a tin pot parrot of Castro's line of communist rhetoric.

[JohnnyAwake]

If "The Revolution" depends on Chavez carrying on for Castro, then communism in latin america is in deep trouble. Chavez is little more then a tin pot parrot * of Castro's line of communist rhetoric.



That's pretty good anti-Chavez rhetoric* against communist rhetoric, hater of hate mongers.

[Scorpion]

If "The Revolution" depends on Chavez carrying on for Castro, then communism in latin america is in deep trouble. Chavez is little more then a tin pot parrot * of Castro's line of communist rhetoric.



That's pretty good anti-Chavez rhetoric* against communist rhetoric, hater of hate mongers.


Muchos gracias!

[ttriber]

If "The Revolution" depends on Chavez carrying on for Castro, then communism in latin america is in deep trouble. Chavez is little more then a tin pot parrot * of Castro's line of communist rhetoric.



That's pretty good anti-Chavez rhetoric* against communist rhetoric, hater of hate mongers.


JohnnyAwake a supporter of communism where the people suffer but the Dictator lives like a king. How can you support a man who has killed thousands of people and put fellow cubans lives at ruin? Cuba is a mess and their is no stopping the rhetoric from their unless Castro is overthrown (wishful thinking been waiting 50 years already) or killed.

His little democracy friend Chavez like you posted in a previous thread wants to have the same type of govt. Castro has had for 50 years. Where do you live Johnny under a rock? Because you sure haven't experienced a darn thing about communism, where is your family living in the usa right? Have you experienced a sibling put to jail because he disagrees with the government or a sibling trialed for simply buying a computer where ever you live you can buy a pc but their you are put in jail. Don't come telling me that I don't know my stuff because I actually have family over their in cuba and understand whats going on. Maybe the left wing media has made you believe that Castro is herion or a victim of the embargo but he is the one who put the internal embargo on his own people. He is the one who has done the harm to the cuban people and that is exactly why most ordinary cubans live in slums not because they want to but because the government of cuba has f*cked their economy and the peoples way of life.

[preservanation]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7042805.stm
HAVANA - Fidel Castro made his first live appearance on Cuban airwaves since falling ill 14 months ago, sounding lucid and in good humor as he exchanged praise and jokes Sunday with the Venezuelan president.
Castro's telephone call to a television and radio program came minutes after visiting Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez aired a new videotape of their weekend meeting in which he sang revolutionary hymns to Castro and called him "father of all revolutionaries."

"I am very touched when you sing about Che," Castro told Chavez during his hour-long call to Chavez's "Alo, Presidente!" program — referring to revolutionary icon Ernesto "Che" Guevara, to whom the program was dedicated.

"There is electricity in the air," Chavez said, obviously pleased with Castro's call.

Castro, who has not appeared in public since falling ill in July 2006, made his last live media appearance in February with a phone call to Chavez's radio program broadcast from Venezuela. But there was a half-hour delay before that program was broadcast in Cuba.

On the videotape, reportedly made during a meeting of more than four hours Saturday afternoon, Chavez also gave Castro a painting he said he made while imprisoned in the early 1990s after leading a failed coup.

The dark-colored painting showed the bars of his cell and a night scene beyond, with a full red moon and a guard tower in the distance.

Castro told him he needed to sign his work. "No one knows the merit that this has, that you did this!"

Cuban state television was broadcasting Chavez's program live from Santa Clara, where the communist government last week commemorated the 40th anniversary of Guevara's death.

Chavez toured the museum below the towering statue of Guevara, which also contains a mausoleum housing Guevara's remains.

Earlier Sunday, Cuban state media released two new official photos of the men together, but provided no details about the ailing Cuban leader's health.

In both the video and the photographs, Castro wore the red, white and blue track suit that has become his typical dress during his convalescence. Both men sat in bamboo chairs at an undisclosed location. Although Castro looks older and his gray beard has thinned considerably, he appears lucid and animated as he thumbs through a copy of Guevara's "Bolivian Diary" and the pair discuss the revolutionary's life and legacy.

Both men seemed mindful that the leadership of Latin America's left is being passed from one generation to another, with Chavez calling Castro "the father of all revolutionaries in this America" in the video.

"Our father, who is in the water, earth and air," Chavez said in an almost religious tone that evoked the Lord's Prayer.

"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."

The last official image of Castro was a photograph released late last month, showing him looking more robust than in some past pictures as he stood and greeted Angolan President Jose Eduardo Dos Santos.

Chavez has visited the 81-year-old Castro several times since the Cuban leader underwent emergency intestinal surgery in late July 2006 and ceded authority to his younger brother Raul.[hr]"You will never die," Chavez told Castro. "You remain forever on this continent and with these nations, and this revolution .... is more alive today than ever, and Fidel, you know it, we will take charge of continuing to fan the flame."Communism will never die.
Just ask Hillary!


That is a real barrel of laughs. Isn't Hillary Clinton the candidate that wants to make privatized health care mandatory? I guess that would depend on what "brand" of lip service you were subscribing to; the Hillary that wanted Socialized HC when her Husband was in charge (and knew it would never fly). Or the same Hillary that is now in bed with the insurance companies (ie:/ Campaign $$). Collusion at it's finest.. Can you say "Frist Aid" or "Bayh-Dole". Not quite what I'd expect from any Communist I've heard of.

If socialized heath care is not socialist and communism is not socialism, I will concede your point.
Until then....

[JohnnyAwake]

If socialized heath care is not socialist and communism is not socialism, I will concede your point.
Until then....


Then.....Communism isn't socialism. Concede.[hr]


If "The Revolution" depends on Chavez carrying on for Castro, then communism in latin america is in deep trouble. Chavez is little more then a tin pot parrot * of Castro's line of communist rhetoric.



That's pretty good anti-Chavez rhetoric* against communist rhetoric, hater of hate mongers.


JohnnyAwake a supporter of communism where the people suffer but the Dictator lives like a king. How can you support a man who has killed thousands of people and put fellow cubans lives at ruin? Cuba is a mess and their is no stopping the rhetoric from their unless Castro is overthrown (wishful thinking been waiting 50 years already) or killed.

His little democracy friend Chavez like you posted in a previous thread wants to have the same type of govt. Castro has had for 50 years. Where do you live Johnny under a rock? Because you sure haven't experienced a darn thing about communism, where is your family living in the usa right? Have you experienced a sibling put to jail because he disagrees with the government or a sibling trialed for simply buying a computer where ever you live you can buy a pc but their you are put in jail. Don't come telling me that I don't know my stuff because I actually have family over their in cuba and understand whats going on. Maybe the left wing media has made you believe that Castro is herion or a victim of the embargo but he is the one who put the internal embargo on his own people. He is the one who has done the harm to the cuban people and that is exactly why most ordinary cubans live in slums not because they want to but because the government of cuba has f*cked their economy and the peoples way of life.


Thanks for the colorful synopsis friend. Hasta la victoria siempre!

[preservanation]

Then.....Communism isn't socialism. Concede
Wait, wait you scum!
Communism is socialism to it's core!
Stop IT![hr]BTW, You scum
congrats on rotating my my head round like Linda Blair
3000+?
LOL

[JohnnyAwake]

Wait, wait you scum!
Communism is socialism to it's core!
Stop IT!


Silly rabbit those mushrooms weren't meant to be ingested. Communism believes in classless societies. It follows the concept of dialectical materialism and succeeds socialism; which believes in a society ruled by the working class and democratically for the benefit of the collective majority.
The problem with most people is they've never seen true communism. People like Mao and Stalin only perpetrated progress via dialectical materialism in order to gain power. From that point they became demagogues and dictators.[hr]I think capitalism works far better in certain areas. But socialism works better in others (ie:/ public defenders, public schools, senior discounts, and hopefully one day health care). The only time I've seen a successful replica of Communism is when I go across the street to this corner store where there are bags of fresh baked cookies for sale minus the shopkeeper. It's all an honor system, but it seems to work and people pay.

[preservanation]

Socialim begets fascism in it's natural progression.
Dictator Hilary, I do not cherish.[hr]The problem with most people is they've never seen true communism.the people who have seen communism are the most ardent supporters of America...Look at Eastern Europe!
Are they just stupid, or do they know what the alternative is?

[JohnnyAwake]

Socialim begets fascism in it's natural progression.
Dictator Hilary, I do not cherish.


You might be right (based on past observations). Nor do I cherish Hillary as our 'fearless leader'. But don't be fooled, she's a corporate whore who wears red.[hr]
Socialim begets fascism in it's natural progression.
Dictator Hilary, I do not cherish.[hr]The problem with most people is they've never seen true communism.the people who have seen communism are the most ardent supporters of America...Look at Eastern Europe! Are they just stupid, or do they know what the alternative is?


I should have corrected myself. I don't know of any nation state that has experienced true communism. Other than parts of Greece thousands of yrs ago.

[preservanation]

I should have corrected myself. I don't know of any nation state that has experienced true communism. Other than parts of Greece thousands of yrs ago. Chulo!
I thought that was true Democracy![hr]BTW,
You're being aced out of the process if you support anyone else but the Queen.

[JohnnyAwake]

I should have corrected myself. I don't know of any nation state that has experienced true communism. Other than parts of Greece thousands of yrs ago. Chulo!
I thought that was true Democracy!


It was; but at one point in history, when there weren't any types of surplus (agriculture) and the common identities were hunter-gatherer. People lived in communal arranged societies and shared (similar to barter but with more trust). Democracy was born in Greece.
Demos (people)-Kratia (to rule). Just ask Plato.

[preservanation]

Plato was cool.
Point of interest to me is that as an agricultural and hunting society, man (and woman) had way more leisure time than we have now.
Cool...
But that has nothing to do with Plato.

[JohnnyAwake]

Plato was cool.
Point of interest to me is that as an agricultural and hunting society, man (and woman) had way more leisure time than we have now.
Cool...
But that has nothing to do with Plato.


The bare necessities was what working was about. No surplus economy meant none of the extras. No material or cosmetic possessions. Well perhaps some, but very few.
Yea I like Book II of the Republic (I think); talks about democracy.

[preservanation]

Ahh, yes I be over my head now, butt,
What's Book 2 of the Rep?

[JohnnyAwake]

Ahh, yes I be over my head now, butt,
What's Book 2 of the Rep?


Well It's vague to me, but I believe it is either where Plato distinguishes oligarchies, timocracies, and monarchies; Or where Glaucon and Socrates debate justice.

Been a while since I've read it all. But I do own all 10 books unabridged

[preservanation]

Yes.
Sorry.
I know of what you speak.
Just not that.
I'll zip up, my ignorance is showing![hr]did you get my head over butt comment?
that's as far as I can go.

[JohnnyAwake]

Yes.
Sorry.
I know of what you speak.
Just not that.
I'll zip up, my ignorance is showing!


Funny. Well I'm off to bed (got a midterm tomorrow at 7 am). The culmination of a days work; and what next?
The answer, my friend, is blowin in the wind,
The answer is blowin in the wind.

[preservanation]

I'd rather be a hammer than a nail...yes I would
Sweet dreams!

[ttriber]

Johnny Awake is a naive individual who thinks communism has never ever been put to use. Preserve why waste your time arguing with a fool who doesn't believe their has ever been literal communism in the world when he can look down 90 miles from florida and see it. On another note he also claims that El Che a hero in his own remarks who was literally a man sent by Castro to his death was such a great hero that the world respects him. Do you really believe a man who killed thousands that they named him the "Butcher" is a hero? Get your head out of your moveon.org a** and look up what im telling you. You have never experienced what I have experienced so that is exactly why I will not tolerate your ignorant remarks.

[JohnnyAwake]

Johnny Awake is a naive individual who thinks communism has never ever been put to use. Preserve why waste your time arguing with a fool who doesn't believe On another note he also claims that El Che a hero in his own remarks who was literally a man sent by Castro to his death was such a great hero that the world respects him. Do you really believe a man who killed thousands that they named him the "Butcher" is a hero? Get your head out of your moveon.org a** and look up what im telling you. You have never experienced what I have experienced so that is exactly why I will not tolerate your ignorant remarks.


And you my friend are a product of emotive thinking. I cannot argue with your personal experiences, those belong to you (keep 'em). I know lower, middle, and (of coarse) upper-class Cubans who swear by Castro's leadership. Don't look at me they're your fellow Cubans. What I am, observing from your punch drunk adjectives of discontent are that you seem to want to universalize your own ill fortunes from some sort of categorical imperative. You've taken your bad experience, held it tightly against your bosom and now expect the world to feed off YOUR shame; With little regard for those that disagree wholeheartedly.

But don't jump off the deep end on account of me; I'm no apologist! Pick yourself up off that Cuban barrel tile and try reasoning with those who disagree. Telling me to get "my head out of my moveon.org a$$" is just plain worthless to your point and makes you look that much MORE unintelligent.
I know homeless people who swear death to president Bush because of their economic turbulence. I see them everyday sleeping on the capitol grass; should I, too, adopt their stance because the rest of society took a shit on them?


their has ever been literal communism in the world when he can look down 90 miles from florida and see it.


Explain to me how Cuba's government meets the criteria for real text-book Communism. That is what I speak of when I pay any mind to it's theoretical approach. I condemned Mao, just as I condemned Stalin.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

[ttriber]

In every discussion their are people who disagree and I can see you disagree with me on certain points that I have given, but it is just distasteful for a person like yourself coming up with assumptions about the Castro Regime that are totally false and for you to have a signature of el Che to me is like a slap in the face especially for those who are cuban-exiles like myself and others. I hold my experience tightly especially when I hear a kid like yourself telling me that Castro and his Cronies aren't communist then what are they? Because If you look at their one party system even they consider themselves communist "Communist Party of Cuba". I'm guessing what your treing to say is that the definition of communism isn't literally what the castro regime has but something close to it is that what your inferring?

[JohnnyAwake]

In every discussion their are people who disagree and I can see you disagree with me on certain points that I have given, but it is just distasteful for a person like yourself coming up with assumptions about the Castro Regime that are totally false and for you to have a signature of el Che to me is like a slap in the face especially for those who are cuban-exiles like myself and others.


I'm sorry you feel that way. Seems like a real conflict of historical interpretations. I do apologize; But I disagree about how he has been vilified as this evil 'butcher' and furthermore I admire the man.
Not to add insult to injury though; Just our differences.


I hold my experience tightly especially when I hear a kid like yourself telling me that Castro and his Cronies aren't communist then what are they? Because If you look at their one party system even they consider themselves communist "Communist Party of Cuba".


You asked a good question, "what are they?". Well they call themselves a Socialist state with a Legislative body. Not quite real communism.


I'm guessing what your treing to say is that the definition of communism isn't literally what the castro regime has but something close to it is that what your inferring?


You got it!

[ttriber]

I'm sorry you feel that way. Seems like a real conflict of historical interpretations. I do apologize; But I disagree about how he has been vilified as this evil 'butcher' and furthermore I admire the man.
Not to add insult to injury though; Just our differences.

The comment about you admiring a mass murderer is pretty thoughtless. A man who has killed thousands for disagreeing with him and putting others in jail for silly things. The hypocrisy in that country runs from the Dictator to the bottom. Maybe you should just watch A Mano Limpia on America Teve- Channel 41 where i live, look it up it may change your admiring inspirations for a ruthless disastrous man who has destroyed thousands of people and blames the US for the shortcomings he has done. Since you admire him why don't you go live over their and live the rest of your life their with the ordinary cubans who live day by day with rations of food, then come tell me what you think. I'll buy you the Plane ticket.